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Internationals, Scott, King Kenny, Willie Ormand

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We have one league game, home to Motherwell, before facing Borussia Monchengladbach two weeks tonight, but there is a lot of football to be played before then for many in the squad.

Kolo Toure, Scott Brown and Scott Sinclair will be able to invest some time in building a training base, but the rest of the likely starters will face World Cup qualifiers with their various national teams. We have 18 players away in total and can only hope they return fit and ready.

Motherwell have experienced how difficult Celtic Park can be already this season, so on paper the forthcoming game doesn’t look too pressing, however, things ramp up for Celtic thereafter. The next five games have us home and away to Gladbach, at Hampden for the League Cup semi, and away to Ross County and Aberdeen.

A schedule like this illuminates the wisdom in Scott Brown retiring from international football. Kenny Dalglish, a player who always played for Scotland – apart from when national team manager Willie Ormand dropped him when he was about to eclipse a Rangers player’s run of 44 consecutive caps – believes Scott will regret retiring from international football.

Kenny did it all on the park, and harboured no bitterness at his SFA snub, so it’s harsh to dismiss his view out of hand. But he’s wrong on this one. Mikael Lustig should take note.

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  1. BIG JIMMY

     

     

    I wasn’t suggesting Kenny didn’t put the effort in, just that he was accused of doing so, probably for the reasons you give – he was too good for a lot of the players he played with and ended up not looking as good as he did with Liverpool.

     

     

    I was a kid during most of his Scotland career but I do remember thinking the stick he got was unfair, and wondering why he still bothered with Scotland

  2. SIPSINI on 5TH OCTOBER 2016 2:05 PM

     

     

    Hi mate st flannans up on hillhead road spoke to rev paul who suggested Mary’s meals. I would just rather it was getting used for what it was meant to be and not a coat and school bag holder….

     

    Was hoping some of the cqn crew might be involved in youth clubs or social clubs etc who could put it to good use.

     

     

    ALMORE

     

     

    The travel bug is in us all that’s why we boast of a genuine world wide fan base at Celtic. Added to the fact that our career guidance teacher at the CBS a Mr Haughey when I went in to see him in 6th year basically said concrete pipes are looking for some staff also Donnelly mirrors hope to take on 10-15 this year and have you applied for your green card yet, do you know anyone in London….. how about a FAS course………..kinda summed up the problems at the time.Made OZ an easy choice really but have regretted not sticking it out, I suspect I might have been to young and immature to fully appreciate it at the time.

  3. Now maybe Im wrong ? But I’ve got a wee feeling that David Hay was voted EITHER the best Scotland player OR the best player overall in the group stages in that World Cup in Germany 1974 ?

     

    The major disappointment for me outwith the treatment if Celtic players in that World Cup was the Brazilian team.

     

    They had won the world cup 4 years earlier with a superb team including Pele if course, but cone 1974, my vivid memory of them was largely that they were resorting to thuggery on the pitch due to several if them not being as talented as they thought they were ?

     

    They put the boot into Scotland ( 0-0 draw), and then in the knock out stages they attempted to kick the Dutch off the pitch also ( one Brazilian sent off ?), but Holland beat them 2-0 ?

     

    That Dutch team were ROBBED in the final v the host nation Germany IMO, as they were one up and playing their usual total football when Germany were awarded a penalty by English ref Jack Taylor.

     

    The offending Dutch player who was deemed to have brought down the German player ( Holztentuen, I think ?), was later to become the Celtic manager who stopped 10 in a row for the Huns…..oor Wim Jansenn !

     

    When you watch the so called ” foul” that led to Germany’s equaliser from behind the Dutch goal, Wim Jansenn never touched him !

     

    It was a blatant dive by the German. The Dutch were rightly outraged, and it did effect their game, and Germany scored a second to win the cup ,2-1.

     

    Wim Jansenn was INNOCENT !

  4. Paul67 et al

     

     

    Mentioned it before but worth repeating. Around the time or soon after Willie Ormond dropped King Kenny a picture appeared in the Falkirk Herald of the bold Willie in full regalia visiting the local Masonic Lodge. (Wish I could track that one down) Big Geordie of course was from nearby Grangemouth.

     

    NB Paul. It was 34 caps at the time.

  5. I recall being at a Scotland game at the Den of Hamp against Luxembourg,must have been ’84 or ’85 so my mates and I would’ve been 13,14 at the time.My old man was never enthusiastic about the national team (Jinky’s sparse cap haul or Kenny’s dropping from the squad when due to equal some thems record of consecutive caps was his main bugbear) but didn’t deter me from going,I just loved football and wasn’t really interested in any of the politics.

     

    Scotland won the game 3-1 with Davie Cooper scoring 2 and Brian McClair getting the other.After Cooper scored both his goals the crowd heartily sang his praises in acknowledgement of his contribution.Fair enough.However,after Choccy scored his goal,Scotland’s 3rd,the song belted out was ‘Super Ally’ (sic),a player who wasn’t even in the pitch but on the subs bench.

     

    There were 4 of us there that night,3 Celtic bhoys and 1 Morton fan.Three of us have never been back to watch Jokeland again and I have never been bothered about Scotland results since.I don’t have a desire for them to be beaten,I just don’t care.

     

    International football’s keech anyhow.And a sham.

     

    My ‘country’ is Celtic.

  6. NAS NA RI,

     

    Yes G66.

     

    I’ve been here since 2012 ,but Im a Glasgow bhoy born and bred.

     

    Never thought I’d end up in G66, but here I am !

  7. LEFTCLICKTIC…

     

    That’s the best football documentary i’ve ever watched,in fact it’s one of the best ever made on any subject.Apart from the subject matter,McIlvanney’s braw brogue adds an extra bit of gravitas.

     

    Be watching your link tonight.

     

    Cheers bud.

  8. Jock Stein

     

     

    No-one can match the enormity of his achievements of turning a decade of mediocrity

     

     

    Into European glory and domestic domination

     

     

    David Potter

     

     

    HH

  9. mike in toronto on

    Bognorbhoy

     

     

    As promised/threatened, I said I’d let you know how the Billy Bragg show was.

     

     

    For the first time in the many concerts I have seen him in over the last 35 years, I was a bit disappointed. Not so much by BB, but by his touring companion Joe Henry. With all that is going on in the world, Brexit, Trump, I thought this was prime BB territory … particularly as he is touring for his American Train Songs Album, so has been making his way through the US …but he didn’t really spend much time on that, as they pretty much focused on their new album (train songs)

     

     

    The new stuff is good (I like Leadbelly, Woodie Guthrie, Gordon Lightfoot, etc.), but not GREAT (although there were one or two songs that really worked well live). I had hoped that he would mix in more of his other stuff … but aside from one spell where he played his old stuff, and talked, and was generally brilliant (his 15 minutes of playing his own stuff and generally rambling contained more insight into American politics than I have heard in 6 months of CNN)…..they just played the trains songs, which was a little bit too monotone. However, the biggest beef of the night was his choice of partner.

     

     

    Now,Joe Henry might be a good lad (apparently, he and Bill have been friends for a long time) and great producer (and I like some of the stuff he has produced), and be a kindred spirit politically to BB (unusual for an american) but he is not a great musician or raconteur (which was probably highlighted because BB is such a GREAT story teller). But, mostly, he was just so bloody earnest, it was painful to listen to him. BB can talk/sing about tough stuff, and he is undoubtedly preachy, but there is always joy and a bit of humor in it … that little bit of sugar that makes the medicine go down. But, this guy was just so earnest, it wasn’t fun. BB needs to dump this guy,and bring back Wiggy.

     

     

    so, I would give the show 2 1/2 stars out of 5

     

     

     

    But fortunately, we got out just in time to see the Blue Jays win their play-off game with an extra inning walk off home run against the hated Orioles of Baltimore …. so the night ended on a positive note.

     

     

    so, the evening ended up with 3 1/2 stars.

  10. Squire danahar,

     

    Kenny Dalglish gave more than 6 years of his career to Celtic. Nearer 10. He signed for Liverpool aged 27, but I remember him as an 18 yr old stopping to tie his laces before scoring a penalty at Ibrox. And I know some will think I’m hallucinating, I know, Celtic getting a penalty at Ibrox!! Must have been an even stonewallerer than when Sean Maloney or Neil Lennon got scythed down in the box.

  11. Big jimmy

     

     

    Touché regards g66 moved here in 97 had a wee flat up near the chase pub for a few months then bought the house im in now in Jan 98. If you know where the morning noon and night shop is I’m not too far from there. Spent the first 27 years in Nas Na ri hence my moniker. Spent a rear in Sydney 88 to 89 but as I was saying to ALMORE have regretted not sticking it out but as they say here what’s for you won’t go by you.

  12. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    BILLYBEAR

     

     

    For some reason,I was reading about the Frank Beattie testimonial yesterday-I was fortunate enough to be there-which is how I remember. Wasn’t trying to be a smart-arse,for once,honest!

     

     

    From Celticwiki…

     

     

    “He was a late developer and he was almost 21 by the time he nailed down a first team spot in August 1971, long after his contemporaries such as Macari and Hay. In May 1971 he gave the fans a taste of things to come when he scored six goals in Celtic’s 7-2 win over Kilmarnock in a testimonial for Frank Beattie.

     

     

    Between August 14th and September 11th 1971 Celtic defeated Rangers three times at Ibrox. Dalglish scored in every game, and in the first game he had scored his first competitive goal for Celtic with a coolly taken penalty after he had paused to tie his laces before scoring. He was the the biggest sensation that Scottish football had seen for years and scored 23 goals, the best of which were the sensational hat trick he scored against Dundee on October 16th in a 3-1 win.”

  13. King Kenny (The Celtic Wiki)

     

    First game: Hamilton Accies away 4-2 League Cup 25 September 1968

     

    Last game Motherwell 2-2 away league 10 May 1977

     

     

    9 years service

  14. Billybear on 5th October 2016 3:17 pm

     

     

    Dalgleish signed in 1968 and left in 1977. He didn’t break through to the first team till the 71-72 season but scored a barrowload with the Quality Street Gang in the reserves. He only played 10 first team games in his first 3 seasons.

     

     

    He had 6 good seasons in the first team with us before going to Liverpool.

     

     

     

    FAC the Act

     

     

    KTF

  15. Need some help RE Rome. I have a friend going at the end of OCT and needs to know good hotels near train station and what are nice places to go on day trips by train from Rome, and can you pay for tickets with a Credit Card. Also do hotels supply voltage converters or does she need to bring one, should she get Euros before she leaves USA or wait untill she gets to Rome…..TIA…………..HH

  16. mike in toronto on

    I was a KD fan, but my sense was that we loved him more than he loved us. I never got the sense that he was at Celtic because he loved loved Celtic; rather, he was at Celtic because he wanted to get get better, and he loved winning, and at the time, Celtic gave him the best chance of doing both. And when that changed, he moved on ….

     

     

    not a knock on the guy, just an observation/opinion…..

  17. Stairheedrammy on

    I was at a Hugh McIlvanney conversation thing last night. Half of the chat was about Jock and Jinky, the other half mainly Ali. I would recommend it. Some great stories and he certainly held the big man in very high regard.

  18. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    Raymond Shannon makes his daytime debut on CQN on the day of Big Jock’s birthday.

     

     

    Coincidence?

     

     

    I think not!

  19. International Football for me is a must…

     

     

    Of course I was brought up in a time when International Teams were the best Teams in the World…

     

     

    The 1970 Brazil Team

     

     

    The 1974 Dutch Team

     

     

    Then the Argentinians????

     

     

    Point is, things have moved on, The large Clubs attract talent from all round the World, appoint a top Coach and Backroom staff likewise and can boast a First Team superior to any International team… Though I’d like to see them play Catalonia:)

     

     

    Now of course the money and corruption hasn’t by passed the International game… far from it yet there is still something semblence of meritocracy about it.

     

     

    Wales in the Euro finals is a great example…

     

     

    A squad from a small Country get blessed with a bit of talent… get down to some hard work and show plenty of commitment and they are a pleasure to watch…

     

     

    They Qualified for the finals on merit, they got through the League stages on merit and got to the semi-finals on merit.

     

     

    Superb stuff…

     

     

    When are we next going to see an equivalent performance by a Club in the UCL semi-finals?

     

     

    Kenny Dalglish was a great, great Football Player and let’s not forget he won two English Doubles as Manager each with different Clubs, so he knows a thing or two about Footbaw.

     

     

    He always played his heart out for Scotland so much so he was often substituted having given his all. I oft remember him coming off with pinched scarlet cheeks.

     

     

    A great example to our bhoys in the Squads.

     

     

    Hope young Tierney is picked for the Scotland Team and has a great game… Good luck to all the bhoys.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  20. Wee Man67

     

     

    I’ve stayed at a couple of hotels in Rome, the Miami on the via Nazionale, and the Apollo, Via Deila Serpentine. Both aren’t too far from the station and are handy for most of the sites. Both were very good. BTW, there’s a sports shop in the Via Nazionale and once when I was there they’d a full display of Celtic strips , mementos etc. Don’t know why as no other team was featured.

  21. CHAIRBHOY…

     

    Apart from the game against Belgium,Wales were torture to watch.Their achievements in getting to a SF can be lauded but they were far from easy on the eye.The eventual winners of the Euros,Portugal,were even worse to watch.I struggle with sleep and i’ve been using matches from the Euros to help get me over.

     

    I admire the hard work and dedication of the Welsh,and any other team,but they were far from aesthetically pleasing.Plucky,romantic underdogs were the story of the Euros not beautiful football.

  22. Slabhoy - Duntocher is Green and White on

    I had a medical for insurance purposes many years ago. The Dr’s office was covered in Celtic pictures as it turned out he was the Celtic team Dr. He said that KD was easily the fittest player he ever worked with. The pinched scarlet cheeks were there from the first few minutes of exertion and were not a sign of fatigue – its just the way he is built. He was once of my Celtic heroes, after Wee Jinky and Big Tam Gemmill

  23. If the Euros were the yardstick for international football i’d rather watch paint dry.

     

    Like a few above i have no interest in Scotland as the only game i ever went to was a night the tartan army showed their hate for Jimmy Johnstone.

     

    I left early and have never supported them since.

     

    Don’t buy in to the bullshit of them being kilt wearing jolly japesters.

     

    My dad loved going to wembley for Scotland v England.

     

    When i lived in London he came down for game and had a spare ticket.

     

    It was the game i believe that Stachan was chosen in left midfield over an in form Tommy Burns.

     

    Think Luther Miss-it scored Englands 2 goals both coming down our weak left side.

     

    I refused the offer of a ticket and told him the reason for.

  24. Paul67 et al

     

     

    First saw Kenny in 1968 at Hamilton, as noted by Babasconi, League Cup 2nd leg. I’m sure he played in between then and 1971, indeed would be surprised if he didn’t despite the quality of palyers at Celtic during that time. Seem to remember him playing at Parkhead maybe 1969, cannot quite pinpoint it though, but think he was actually playing right half in place of Bobby Murdoch, and wearing number four. Can’t quite remember the opposition though. He also played against St Johnstone early August 1971, at a packed Firhill, scored a hat trick too, just before the the three winning games at Ibrox.

  25. mike in toronto on

    Babasonic … I agree. I put that down to the amount of money that is involved now, which has grown exponentially over the last few decades ….

     

     

    now, decent results brings such rewards (leiceister’s win a the EPL was worth an estimated 500 million pounds! ..) that teams entertainment is secondary to winning …. if a team plays exciting football, they may get another 10,000 fans to a game, but if they stay in the EPL, it is worth maybe another hundred million ….so, owners go with coaches who guarantee them safefty, and in turn, coaches go with players and styles that promise safety …..

     

     

    (*admittedly, Leiceister is not a great example, as I thought they played fun football. But I think they are the exception that proves the rule)

     

     

    and if a player has a good tournament, which usually means not making any clangers, he can be set up for life …. so, he doen’st want to make a mistake …… for teams, players and coaches … one good tournament, and a player or coach gets a contract that could set them up for life …. so, it seems like so many are afraid to make that one mistake that could deprive them of the once in a lifetime chance … so, they play cautiously, and not to make mistakes ….

     

     

    and, as the gap between have’s and have-not teams grows, the smaller teams will be less and less able to compete in terms of skill, so will resort more to playing the anti-football, because that is where the money is.

     

     

    Im not sure what the answer is … Football hit a TV/satellite goldmine, and has made a pisspot full of money … but eventually that will reach some level of saturation, and the game and alaries wont be able to keep growing … but until then, I think the gap between big and small clubs will keep growing … which will mean more smaller teams will play like Wales in order to compete….

  26. Tut tut, Joey being done for betting on 44 games.

     

     

    I bet it was more than that.

     

     

    Any takers?