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You remember Celtic manager, Gordon Stachan, third manager in our history to win three-in-a-row?  Took us to the Champions League knock out stages for the first time, did much of this while comparative economics were moving against us, remember him?  Is he the same Gordon Strachan who has transformed the Scotland national team’s results?

Gordon is unequivocally a successful manager but his Scotland team is performing far better than I thought possible when he took over what looked like a poisoned chalice.  The most stunning fact of his record there is that they have not conceded a goal in three successive away games.  Gordon’s Celtic covered 15 months, across two championship winning seasons, without keeping a single clean sheet away from home, no matter how lowly or distressed the opponent.  Even good, experienced, managers learn, especially from their earlier troubles.

Jock Stein is viewed mostly through the prism of 1967 but during his final season as Celtic manager, 1977-78, the sentiment among many in the support was decidedly downbeat.  Rangers (remember them, played in blue, I think?) would win their third title in four seasons, with two trebles thrown in for good measure.  Celtic finished fifth in the league, Jock’s judgement was widely called into question.

At the time Leeds United were a top club in England and after Celtic sacked Jock they moved to secure him.  Leeds had no doubts as to his abilities.  A little over a month later the SFA offered him the Scotland job, which he took and excelled at, twice succeeding in World Cup qualifying campaigns.  His talents were without question but stood in sharp contrast to how many in the support viewed him a few years earlier.

I don’t know if Jock was a better manager in 1982 and beyond than he was in 1978 but there’s a decent chance his football education didn’t stop when the trophies dried up at Celtic.  Gordon Strachan is, like Jock was until the end, a student of the game.  Neil Lennon is too, he is also receiving some of the reviews his illustrious predecessors would recognise. Gordon was an excellent Celtic manager but he’s better now, perhaps as a result of life’s experiences along the way.

It’ll be really interesting to see how Euro qualifiers reflect on the comparative progress of Gordon and Martin O’Neill, who for my money was a better manager than Mourinho when the latter deployed some of the best players in the world against Celtic in Seville, and needed to deploy every underhand trick in the book to come out on top.

I was blown away by the stunning contributions to our Mary’s Meals campaign yesterday.  First in was an incredible £200 + £50 gift aid donation, followed by others, large and small, every one appreciated.  Ignore those who would tell you society is dead.  You can get involved here.

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  1. leftclicktic We are all Neil Lennon on

    Is it safe to post I gave up podiums after my 3rd gold medal :)) so as to share the joy.

     

     

    Seen this last night

     

    winning captains

     

     

     

    22:31 on 6 March, 2014

     

     

     

    Tommy Gemmell has now completed his All The Best book for CQN and we will get it ready for printing over the next few days. He has been ably assisted by Alex Gordon who used to be sports editor at Sunday Mail. Alex is Celtic to the core and as a matter of fact I can tell you that the Lisbon Lions know him very well and trust him totally. He was just at the end of his time at the Sunday Mail around the time that Celtic were in crisis in the 90s. Alex refused to allow the then editor to publish the coffin outside Celtic Park image but the first Sunday after he left this image appeared. Anyone who read Daily Record / Sunday Mail in the years before that fateful day maybe didn’t realise what had just happened.

     

    Those papers had caught a virus and it has poisoned them ever since. We are going to write about this in CQN Magazine.

     

     

    Alex – the old hack that he is – likes a pint. He will be at CQTEN next week and I hope that BRTH gives him a special mention. He will be sitting at a table with some very famous Celtic faces – and if he does get a mention and I start a round of applause then I urge you to join in. This guy deserves it. Just like Paul has fought our corner in the new media in current times, Alex fought the Celtic cause in a hostile old media in decades gone by.

     

    One of the guys at that table next week at CQTEN will tell you all about Alex. He is none other than Yogi Bear and boy does he have some stories to tell! And maybe the Big Shot will get a wee round of applause too.

     

     

    Tommy answered all the CQNer questions and the book ends with Tommy telling us that he is having a wee greet to himself after reading the warmth this blog showed him in the questions asked. He has answered every single one.

  2. Livibhoy. Celtic beat hertz 1 nil to clinch the title in Gordon’s 1st year

     

    9 players he inherited in that team

  3. Taxi driver was from Bridgetown too, ah well, no surprise there eh!

     

    I wonder if he will be working during the commonwealth games, now there’s a thought eh?

  4. LiviBhoy - God bless wee Oscar on

    SydneyTim

     

     

    I don’t think he inherited a Lubo or a Henrik Larsson though. That was my point.

     

    Good on ye for the research though. Hartson with the goal?

     

     

    LB

  5. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS .........FC not PLC on

    PAUL67

     

     

    I remember the 77-78 season well.

     

     

    All too well.

     

     

    Undone by board failure and pettiness,loss of our star player to Liverpool. But what could not be overcome were the horrendous injury problems suffered by a threadbare squad.

     

     

    If a player broke a shoelace he was out for three months!

     

     

    It was also the season of the worst refereeing performance in my experience. Gordon at Ibrox.

     

     

    And the most blatant example of the cheating which went on that day?

     

     

    Greig being offside.

     

     

    For those who might say-Eh,offside? Big deal-I suggest you google it.

  6. Livi. Indeed would mon had the success without Henke. Doubt it

     

    Lubo was a bit part player under mon

     

     

    Point is gordon was left with experienced pros. Winners

     

    When Gordon left TM got a goalie

  7. maestro-number8 on

    Aye true Bobby, but at least the end of the 79 season ended beautifully with the 4-2 game.

     

     

    Along with Lisbon and the 7-1 game, that is the other one match I wish I’d witnessed. It must have been incredible when Murdo scored that 4th goal

     

     

    HH

  8. Yes Livi. Hartson with goal. Watched it in a bar in Dresden with about 20 good Tim’s

  9. Thindimebhoy

     

     

     

     

    12:16 on

     

     

    7 March, 2014

     

     

     

     

    About the not proven verdict

     

     

    The not proven option for a jury made an ass of the law in Wilsons case

     

     

    If it was straight bat between guilty or innocent the jury would have had a bigger decision to make

     

     

    Because an innocent verdict in this case would have made an ass of the jury

     

     

    There is a guy I know of who is up on a breach of the peace rap because of a dispute with his neighbours over them using his driveway to reverse his car without permission (no trespass law in Scotland)

     

     

    The guy in question challenged his neighbour and told him to politely gtf off his driveway. The neighbours wife who suddenly morphed bat ears and was now able to hear a pin drop from 50mts corroborated his neighbours statement to the cops

     

     

    The charge is caused reasonable fear and alarm etc the one every fitba fan knows about

     

     

    Now in this case not proven would be a reasonably fair judgement because the truth is somewhere between the accused and his neighbours version of events

  10. SydneyTim – there’s absolutely no point saying that Gordon Strachan spent more on players than MON, unless you also take into account the inflation of transfer fees and wages in that time.

     

     

    I’d be as well saying how come my mum and dad spent 40k on a house and I spent 160k on a house and yet mine’s is smaller.

     

     

    Chris Sutton cost £6M as an out of favour striker at Chelsea. What would an out of favour striker at Chelsea cost Gordon Strachan? Well Eidur Gujohnsen went from Chelsea to Barca in 2006 for £8M.

     

     

    Could we have competed against Barca for that signature? At what premium? Would we have been able to bring him in on wages that would have stopped the average £8M/year loss we made during MON’s time in charge?

  11. LiviBhoy - God bless wee Oscar on

    SydneyTim

     

     

    Fair points but it’s a complex argument. MON didn’t half sign some dross as well.

     

    WGS whilst manager brough the debt back down. Celtic had to take a punt under MON and spend big because our nearest rivals at the time were buying world cup winners!

     

     

    LB

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    Martin O’Neill was Never a ‘Better’ Manager than Mourinho..In Seville..

     

     

    A Better Man Manager..Yes..

     

     

    Man Managers have a Sell by Date..

     

     

    Summa

     

     

    Ps..Is Sammi the Only Celtic player to Help a Manager Win 3 Titles in a Row..?

  13. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS .........FC not PLC on

    MAESTRO-NUMBER 8

     

     

    While that is undoubtedly true,and I am so glad I was there-it was horrible to watch Jock’s reputation being trashed the previous season.

  14. Paul67

     

     

    Another excellent article.

     

     

    But you forgot to mention our first manager – the old (benign?) dictator Willie Maley. He won a few trophies in his time.

     

     

    6iar, Empire Exhibition Cup and about 1000 Glasgow Cups and Glasgow Charity Cups!

     

     

    :-)

     

     

    HH!!

  15. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS .........FC not PLC on

    SUMMA OF SAMMI

     

     

    Samaras didn’t join us until WGS last title-winning season in 2008.

  16. maestro-number8

     

     

    12:15 on 7 March, 2014

     

    Aye true Bobby, but at least the end of the 79 season ended beautifully with the 4-2 game.

     

     

    Along with Lisbon and the 7-1 game, that is the other one match I wish I’d witnessed. It must have been incredible when Murdo scored that 4th goal

     

     

    HH

     

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    Never forget that night, my brother and I where rolling about on the ground at the Celtic end, we where that happy we both fell, cops where gonny luft us, we go up and laughed at them said we got tripped, brilliant night in the granite city that night ( now brazen head) champagne was a plenty that night, reason being some one turned over a license grocers that night ;)

  17. celticforever on

    always remember murdos goal in the last minute of the 4-2 game to win the league against the manky mob. If the net hadnt stopped it Im sure it would have went over the top of the celtic end. Always remember rushing home after match to watch it again on tv to find out there was some tv blank out of the match – typical

  18. Interesting Australian article regarding Ultras.

     

     

    By MICHAEL COCKERILL

     

    We know where it all started, of course,

     

    but none of us know how it will end. The

     

    evolution of active support in the A-League

     

    is approaching a fork in the road, and

     

    today’s Sydney derby – expected to bring

     

    more than 35,000 people to Moore Park –

     

    will be an interesting case study.

     

    Crowds are up this season, but so is the

     

    noise – and I’m not measuring the decibels.

     

    Active support groups are egging each

     

    other on to muscle into the decision-

     

    making process of almost every club, and

     

    even the FFA. Where this goes is anyone’s

     

    guess, but it could head into some pretty

     

    dark places. Too often the blind are leading

     

    the blind, which is a dangerous dynamic

     

    when you’re talking about mob rule.

     

    Which we are.

     

    Active support, we shouldn’t forget, is a

     

    huge point of difference for the A-League,

     

    and potentially a huge asset. The

     

    atmosphere at several stadiums is what

     

    attracts the uncommitted as much – or

     

    perhaps even more – than the football. In

     

    return for providing the colour and noise

     

    that the cameras can’t get enough of, those

     

    who burrow into the heaving mass of

     

    humanity each week get a sense of

     

    camaraderie and identity, a lot of fun, and

     

    the recognition they crave, and sometimes

     

    deserve. Given many of these fans are

     

    young adolescent males, belonging to an

     

    active support group offers a rite of passage

     

    they wouldn’t get outside the stadium –

     

    which should be enough, but clearly it

     

    isn’t.

     

    At least five clubs – to my knowledge – have

     

    been presented with varying lists of

     

    “demands” this season, and in most cases

     

    have spent hours at the negotiating table.

     

    Yet these groups are proving impossible to

     

    please, and too many officials are wasting

     

    too much time indulging them. If active

     

    support comprises, say 10 per cent of your

     

    attendance – and that’s been generous –

     

    why is so little attention paid to what the

     

    other 90 per cent think?

     

    Truth is The Cove, or the RBB, or the North

     

    Terrace or Yarraside are not homogenous

     

    or static. They change their views, their

     

    composition, their songs and sometimes

     

    their location. What they think is

     

    important today may not be so important

     

    tomorrow. Maybe, over time, this mood of

     

    militancy will go away. Maybe.

     

    Yet there’s one significant difference to,

     

    say, a year ago. What these groups are now

     

    telling the clubs is that their support is no

     

    longer unconditional. The question, then,

     

    for administrators is whether to call their

     

    bluff.

     

    A few weeks ago, The Cove demanded the

     

    removal of the coach, the chief executive

     

    and chairman in one fell swoop. They’ve

     

    got to be kidding, right? And yet since then

     

    all the club seems to have done is try to

     

    placate them. It has not been an edifying

     

    sight.

     

    Last weekend at Parramatta, the RBB

     

    cancelled their traditional stadium march,

     

    some stayed at the pub, and those that

     

    didn’t decided to keep themselves to

     

    themselves. Interestingly, the protest

     

    seemed to backfire, with Western Sydney

     

    Wanderers fans on both sides of the

     

    stadium choosing – completely

     

    spontaneously – to do the chanting for

     

    them. Reports that the stadium was silent

     

    were misleading.

     

    So we have Sydney FC trying to appease

     

    their active supporters, and Western

     

    Sydney playing hardball. I’m fascinated to

     

    see how this plays out.

     

    There is no rule book in dealing with a

     

    noisy minority. It’s case-by-case, year-by-

     

    year, and often the best guide is instinct.

     

    Which is why we need administrators with

     

    a feel for the game.

     

    What we do know is how easy it is for

     

    things to go horribly wrong. Do we want

     

    the “barra brava” culture from Argentina,

     

    where criminal elements hijack fan groups

     

    to launder drug money through ticket

     

    sales, car parking, stadium merchandise,

     

    garnishing 20 per cent of player wages, or

     

    30 per cent of transfer fees? No.

     

    Do we want the “torcida” culture from

     

    Brazil, where innocent fans are beaten to

     

    death at bus stops, or a player such as

     

    Corinthians striker Paolo Guerrero has his

     

    nose broken after fans use wirecutters to

     

    break into the training ground? No.

     

    Do we want club officials like

     

    Independiente president Javier Cantero

     

    beaten up after fans stormed into the

     

    boardroom, or the team bus stoned on its

     

    way to the ground, as happened to Paris St-

     

    Germain last year. Of course not.

     

    Thankfully, we’re a long way from events

     

    taking such a sinister turn. But we need to

     

    mindful of the dangers that lurk beneath

     

    the surface. This season, we’ve had two

     

    attacks in Sydney, and a much-publicised

     

    brawl in Melbourne, where people have

     

    been hurt. That’s a worry. At the end of

     

    the day, the best we can hope for is that

     

    cool heads will prevail. Of that, of course,

     

    there are no guarantees.

  19. leftclicktic We are all Neil Lennon on

    Was getting a liitle mixed up with Hearts games there :))

     

     

    Wifes workmates friend had offered me and her complimentary tickets for the St Mirren game in 2001 when In think we clinched the title 1 nil.

     

     

    My dad had not long passed away so I didnt make it on hearing this the friend arranged 2 hospiality tickets for the Hearts game I nil Lubo on the night we were presented with the SPL trophy.

     

    God I’m getting emotional even typing this.

     

     

    We never got to meet the man who arranged it for us but he will have my eternal thanks.

     

     

    Thank you celtic

     

    Hail Hail

  20. maestro-number8 on

    BMCUW, TD67 & Celticforever…… Great memories.

     

     

    Don’t think anyone would have been happier than Johnny Doyle though.

     

     

    I see there is one of his jerseys on the Bairds Bar auction from the 77 cup final. I don’t think he played though?

     

     

    Think this was Dalglish’s last game too ?

  21. celticforever on

    Johny Doyle now theres one great Celt who Im sure would be happy at the huns demise

  22. Paul 67

     

     

    Great to hear about the success of the CQN Marys Meals campaign its a charity close to me at home where me and my good Mrs Thindime donate regularly

     

     

    I spent a lot of time in Africa in a previous life and witnessed poverty first hand daily.

     

     

    I sometimes wondered what I would do if this happened me and wondered if I would have the same spirit these people showed in the face of adversity.

     

     

    I always felt humbled when I was in there company

     

     

    I watched a woman who was blind being led by her son who was 9 each holding one end of a stick walk 15 miles everyday to collect wood for their cooking. They would leave in the early morning and comeback late afternoon with a pile of sticks on their heads

     

     

    I watched this everyday for weeks

     

     

    One day I decided to help so I asked our works driver to take some yankee dollars ( a small fortunes worth over there) to the blind lady.

     

     

    The driver came back and said she said may God bless you

     

     

    I never seen her do that long walk in the hot sun with her son again.

     

     

    I very rarely moan about little things anymore

     

     

    HH

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    Boabby..

     

     

    Ps..Is Sammi the Only Celtic player to‘ Help’ a Manager Win 3 Titles in a Row..?

     

     

    Your’e NO Goannie Deny him are Ye..?

     

     

    Summa of TrebleYellCSC

  24. Geordie Munro on

    “Celtic beat hertz 1 nil to clinch the title in Gordon’s 1st year

     

    9 players he inherited in that team”

     

     

     

    I take it you mean in the entire squad ST?

  25. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS .........FC not PLC on

    SUMMA of SEMANTICS

     

     

    Hmmmm……

  26. Celtic will sign a 13 year old Hamilton goalie. Beat Liverpool and Everton in attempts to sign him. Joshua Rae.

  27. Monteblanco

     

     

    Previous blog.

     

     

    Careful That could be your pal’s mammy. :)

     

     

    Change partners, keep dancing.

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