Juranovic, Giakoumakis, then Abada

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I see a bit of chat on Liel Abada in the Latest News section of CQN this morning.  I have been impressed with the player from his early outings last year.  Although a winger with a prodigious assists record, it is his ability inside the box that impresses most.

He understands when to arrive in the danger area and has the speed and touch to be effective once there.  With the right tutelage, I think he may end up as a striker – you will recall, the Great Swede played on the wing until arriving in Glasgow as a 26-year-old, when an opportunity opened to play through the middle.

I sense little resistance to the potential sale of Josip Juranovic.  He had a stellar World Cup, at 27 he is in his prime and we have already recruited a replacement.  There is less unanimity when it comes to Giorgos Giakoumakis.  Gio is enormously popular and brings a different threat to any other striker at the club.  However, at 28, we know the script.  His age profile and backup status mean that he is available for the right price.

Liel does not always make the starting 11 but he would if I was picking the team.  His age and contract profile are such that we are under no pressure to sell.  But I need to ask myself what I really want from Celtic and how to get there.

I want us to be a competitive Champions League team, not the cannon fodder we were this season.  To get there, we need an excellent recruitment regime and an aggressive trading policy.  I’ll back any plan that aims for this target, anything else is conservative and unambitious – I don’t know about you, but I’m neither.

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  1. Jet lag playing havoc with my sleep patterns.

     

    Flew back from Scotland Thursday into a storm and now temps are -16 C with wind chill making it feel like -25C.

     

    Just read Melbourne Mick’s Christmas plans and I’m extremely jealous.

     

    Sunshine on the beach sounds heavenly, although I’m not sure a BBQ in my budgie smugglers is a good idea.

  2. GENE @ 7:38 AM,

     

     

    Auldheid posted on here last night about it, there was more of a descussion on Sentinel Celts and the link to Phil Mac is worth a read

     

     

    AULDHEID on 23RD DECEMBER 2022 10:02 PM,

     

     

    Some news of good cheer at Christmas from The Foundation that brings satisfactory closure to Res12.

     

     

    It’s all at

     

     

    https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2022/12/23/persistence-finally-gets-a-result/#more-28533 with links to Foundation statement.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  3. That is the old retort when we complain about ref bias; we’re just paranoid. Even when we can see the truth.

     

     

    The issue remains one of operator bias; and this VAR in the hands-of-the-biased pish just adds layers for them to increase the interpretative potential [and wiggle room] of every decision.

     

     

    If refs cant officiate in England or the World Cup over fears of any poss bias, it needs to be eradicated across all national leagues, as would purges against ref bribery frinstance.

     

     

    We’re getting duped all over again, and until the rules stipulate ‘Independent Refs Only’ it will persist.

  4. Match day…enjoy those who are going…

     

     

    It’s first half in the world famous Cock Tavern of London Town for me before a jaunt around Winter Wonderland…

     

     

    Expecting a response from the team in terms of goals buy will settle for 3 points.

     

     

    HH fhellas

  5. I have said before on CQN that Joe McBride is the best centre forward I have seen in a Celtic jersey and I have been watching for the best part of 70 years….I think Joe was the catalyst for the Lions. His goals gave them the confidence,

  6. QUADROPHENIAN @ 10:16 AM,

     

     

    It is highly frustrating…

     

     

    Jobo Balbie has a thread on Sentinel Celts regarding “VAR-watch”, it’s fledgling at the moment, yet being Jobo it has a professional and measured approach but hopes to capture Celtic VAR decisions over the course of the season and a full picture should emerge…

     

     

    https://sentinelcelts.com/2022/12/17/var-the-season-of-dishonest-mistakes/

     

     

    I posted on there this morning with my views of a couple of incidents in the Livingston game…

     

     

    Both the decisions you cite were interesting as in real time neither looked clear to me.

     

     

    A penalty for the handball would have been harsh but that is where the rule is now, if we take it out of Scotland and look at the penalties awarded against us the Bernabeu or those in the world cup they can be harsh.

     

     

    The way I now look at such incidents if the arm is in a “natural position” , does the arm/hand have material effect on the play of the ball. It seems a good rule of thumb

     

     

    However as we know, rules of thumb are not what referees go on, it is, or at least should be, the laws of the game

     

     

    Abada’s offside is a curious one, being in an offside position does not in itself make you offside

     

     

    When a goal is scored it can only be chalked off due to an infringement

     

     

    So Abada scores a goal, it is disallowed, so what is his infringement?

     

     

    The linesman apparently seen nothing wrong with it or else he’d flag, the VAR saw no obvious infringement* so did not rule Abada offside, yet after an interminable debate (presumably neither willing to take responsibility, as no clear infringement was there) the referee decided to look at the monitor to make a decision, why?

     

     

    I get it’s complex, the ball was sent careering forward by an attacker (Turnbull) with his back to play, launched hopefully into a dangerous area.

     

     

    Abada was in an offside position when the ball was played – he then moved to an onside position presumably knowing he would be called offside if he played the ball without someone else touching it

     

     

    He set himself up in an attacking position, onside, to take advantage of any “scraps” as good strikers who anticipate the play does.

     

     

    The defender tried to header the ball clear but fluffed the header and the ball fell nicely for Abada who scored a very well taken goal.

     

     

    Abada seeing the ball “come off the defender” thought he’d scored a perfectly good goal and the match officials couldn’t fault it until after several minutes of deliberation, the referee having going to the VAR monitor who presumably sees an infringement

     

     

    So what was it? Why could the VAR not give it? Why did the linesman miss it?

     

     

    It should be easy in the laws of the game to highlight the infringement, if they can’t it’s a goal.

     

     

    The only conclusion one can reasonably come to was the VAR* and the referee in turn, were looking for reasons not to give the goal rather than the norm, which is to give the goal if no infringement occurred

     

     

    The reason VAR was introduced was “to eliminate clear and obvious mistakes that can be missed by officials in real time”

     

     

    The linesman didn’t give the offside, the referee did not give the offside in real time the VAR did not see any “clear and obvious” mistakes in the officials decision – therefore it is a goal

     

     

    Hail Hail

  7. QUADROPHENIAN on 24TH DECEMBER 2022 10:16 AM

     

     

     

    ‘We’re getting duped all over again, and until the rules stipulate ‘Independent Refs Only’ it will persist.’

     

     

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    I’d argue that no Scottish official is independent. It’s a cultural, not a personal, issue.

     

     

    Bring in English or foreign refs. Let Scottish officials take games in England.

  8. bournesouprecipe on

    Yeah handball can look harsh particularly when it’s been a Celt, ( Bernabei and O’ Riley ).

     

     

    Harsh doesn’t appear anywhere in the rules and certainly doesn’t prevent penalties being awarded against us up to now.

  9. CHAIRBHOY

     

    Thanks for the feedback and your analysis; pretty logical.

     

    Ta too for the link to Jobo Baldie analysis; dare we hope our club has its own version of that compilation ??

     

     

    ERNIE

     

    By that cultural token, would you rule out all Irish refs too?

     

    And what about the case of English refs like Dermot Gallacher; he claims to have been raised a Celtic fan?

     

    It has to be about allegiance as much as culture – unless you go full-on European match officials.

  10. It’s time the VAR officials gave an explanation of their decisions.

     

    If it’s working so we’ll, then they should be able to cite the rule they invoke to award or not.

     

    Or are they afraid we will see their inconsistencies?

  11. bournesouprecipe on

    Celtic, Celtic thats the team for me,

     

    Celtic, Celtic on to victory,

     

     

    They’re the finest team in Scotland, I’m sure you will agree,

     

     

    We’ll never give up till we’ve won the cup and the Scottish football league

     

     

    They come from bonnie Scotland, they come from county Cork,

     

     

    They come from dear old Donegal and even from New York,

     

     

    From every street in Glasgow they proudly make their way,

     

     

    To a place called dear old paradise and this is what they say.

     

     

    Celtic, Celtic thats the team for me,

     

    Celtic, Celtic on to victory,

     

     

    They’re the finest team in Scotland, I’m sure you will agree,

     

     

    We’ll never give up till we’ve won the cup and the Scottish football league.

     

     

    There’s Fallon, Young and Gemmell who proudly wear the green,

     

     

    There’s Clark, McNeill and Kennedy the best there’s ever been,

     

     

    Jim Johnstone, Murdoch, Chalmers, John Divers and John Hughes,

     

     

    And sixty thousand Celtic fans who proudly shout the news.

     

     

    Celtic, Celtic thats the team for me,

     

    Celtic, Celtic on to victory,

     

     

    They’re the finest team in Scotland, I’m sure you will agree,

     

     

    We’ll never give up till we’ve won the cup and the Scottish football league.

     

     

    Repeat to fade CSC

  12. ERNIE LYNCH @ 10:49 AM,

     

     

    The Board does not come out of it looking good

     

     

    Peter Lawwell as CEO behaved appallingly in my opinion as regards the resolutioners

     

     

    The gesture by the Michael Nicholson’s run Board seems to be as close to a mea culpa as it gets and ten years on, with all avenues closed, it seems to me reasonable to close things here

     

     

    Hail Hail

  13. CHAIRBHOY on 24TH DECEMBER 2022 9:48 AM

     

     

    Many thanks for that, and for your explanation.

     

     

    Happy Christmas

  14. CELTIC: Hart, Taylor, Starfelt, Kyogo, Mooy, Carter-Vickers, O’Riley, Maeda, Hatate, McGregor, Forrest.

     

     

    Subs: Siegrist, Jenz, Giakoumakis, Haksabanovic, Abada, Turnbull, Jota, Bernabei, Lawal

  15. Saturday Wednesday Saturday Wednesday Huns

     

     

    Resting and rotating in the middle of a heavy schedule and maybe sending out a message to Jota and Haksa who he doesnt seem to have been particularly happy with recently.

  16. QUADROPHENIAN on 24TH DECEMBER 2022 10:58 AM

     

     

     

    Irish refs probably wouldn’t work for reasons that don’t need explaining.

     

     

    I’d follow the English code of refs having to declare which team they supported. I doubt many English refs would be disqualified from any Scottish game on that basis.

  17. Chairbhoy

     

    As I understand it Resolution 12 asks Celtic to bring a legal case against the SFA for the loss of revenue that their participation in the Europa League brought with it.

     

     

    That didn’t happen

  18. CHAIRBHOY on 24TH DECEMBER 2022 11:07 AM

     

     

    ‘Michael Nicholson’s run Board’

     

     

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    Be serious.

     

     

    One guy calls the shots and it’s not Nicholson (just as it was never Lawwell).

     

     

    Was Nicholson not the hands on guy who dealt with Res 12?

  19. GENE @ 11:53 AM,

     

     

    Is that the case? I’m sure you are better informed than me in that regard.

     

     

    Auldheid has got a website on the “Res12” case, it is a tome, with chapter and verse.

     

     

    My understanding – Celtic, put on the spot by the resolutioners eventually pressurised the SFA to take action against Rangers in respect of the WTC and the granting of the 2011/12 UEFA licence.

     

     

    Dave King’s Rangers defended the SFA action by citing a clause in the secret 5WA

     

     

    In that clause it states that outwith the period where Craig Whyte owned Rangers, the SFA could not bring sanctions against oldco Rangers – therefore the SFA had no jurisdiction.

     

     

    In effect Rangers have immunity from Scottish football authorities on everything that happened before Craig Whyte

     

     

    The WTC UEFA licence application falls within that specified timeframe, therefore Rangers are immune to any sanctions as the SFA and SPFL signed away their rights to sanction Rangers in the five way agreement

     

     

    Hail Hail

  20. Chairbhoy

     

    Last word before the game

     

     

    It was the SFA that Celtic were to sue not any form of the ipox club

     

     

    Till later

  21. GENE @ 12:14 PM,

     

     

    As stated earlier, you obviously know better than I, as you are not prepared to expand on your ascertion we can just take you at you word.

     

     

    The Celtic Board took it as far as they could with the SFA – yes, dragged kicking and screaming and as always in these situations, dealing with the characters involved, smoke and mirrors were rife

     

     

    So as Atticus Finch did his best in To Kill A Mocking Bird…

     

     

    So the Resolutioners did against the Scottish football establishment

     

     

    For one I’m very proud of these bhoys…

     

     

    Hail Hail

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