Scottish clubs, including (original) Rangers, opposed the imposition of Strict Liability on clubs for offenses by their fans as long as the club concerned had undertaken all reasonable precautions to discourage and prevent those offenses.
In other words, if a club warn fans what is unacceptable behaviour, and confirm they will be banned from your stadium if they indulge, the club will not incur any punishment. As we know, it’s different in European competition, where clubs are held responsible for fans’ transgressions.
This is all fine and well, but it’s a moot debate after the Scottish Cup Final riot. Hibs and (Newco) Rangers may well have taken all reasonable precautions ahead of the game, but that changed for Newco immediately thereafter.
The statement defending the Newco fans taking the law into their own hands on the Hampden pitch that day is the opposite of undertaking all reasonable precautions. In fact, it was incendiary. I have little doubt it contributed to the actions of Newco fans in the first few months of this season, who appear to wandering around Premiership grounds ready to settle perceived scores.
Justification by Statement has continued. It’s now a pattern. The question for the SFA disciplinary panel, is whether they condone clubs encouraging fans taking the law into their own hands, as consistent with reasonable precautions, when deciding on actions by visiting fans at Celtic Park and Pittodrie.
It’s not. In fact, it’s dangerous and will lead to increasingly alarming situations until those setting the fires are brought to account. What happened at Celtic Park and Pittodrie was bad enough but far more serious consequences could lie ahead if this clarion call for Direct Action isn’t faced.
The players will still be buzzing from Wednesday night when they take to the field at Dens tomorrow lunchtime. We could blow Dundee away in a wave of effervescent football, or we could struggle to get heads out of the clouds. We’ve witnessed both scenarios before.
Jimmy Johnstone
You’re in for a treat tonight, the Jimmy Johnstone documentary is on BBC Alba at 9:30, on what would have been his 72nd birthday. It’s a brilliant journey into the life and family of an extraordinary-ordinary person. I thought I’d known all there was to know about the Jinky story, but I didn’t realise he was decades ahead of the game in terms of fitness and training techniques.
Brain injury
We have a special article out today, written by SunnyJim, on brain injury in the game (and a whole lot more). We re-examine a blow to the head taken early in the 6-2 game by Fernando Ricksen, who like Jinky, was struck by Motor Neurone Disease.
The game has a responsibility to its players, which means we all need to become educated in some of the risks. Read the article, you’ll learn something significant about an incident you are very familiar with.
The Celtic Foundation has had a great boost already from all those who are doing the Great Scottish Run on Sunday on its behalf. Dozens of Celtic fans have been sponsored by hundreds of fans, raising thousands of pounds.
This will be the last you hear from me on the subject before the off; if you can help, here’s the place.
Thank you, and thanks to everyone who has already contributed.
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Who is going to the BV for the game tomorrow?
There is Sleekitry aboooot……………..
PHILBOY
I’m in!
ERNIE LYNCH on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 2:07 PM
Is the SNP model not the one Corbyn wants to adopt ie policy agreed democratically by party members then supported by all members, with no public dissent?
Thoughts and prayers with wee Shay…
THECLUMPANY @ 2:26 PM,
Good Afternoon to you too…
Yet another good piece, imagine they started getting that irony thing… you’d be outta business:)
With reference to all those pages re: The Aberdeen Newco Match.
How many pages would it have elicited if Mark had not aggressively gone onto the pitch berated the referee.
How many pages would have been written if Mark had said in his post match interview…
Thought we were unfortunate to concede that free-kick in injury time, but the young lads done great, a top drawer free kick that gave our defence no chance.
Or look at it another way, how much extra pages would the Celtic Man City game have elicited if at the end of the match Snr Guardiola had, at the final whistle went on to the pitch to berate the referee.
How many extra pages would have been written if he had said in his post match interview – the first goal was off-side the Referee robbed us of the points.
Quite a few I would imagine…
But of course Pep thinks and acts with class… so he talked about (and I believe meant it) learning lessons from the game.
But there you have it, one Manager who knows it all and another who is still learning the beautiful game…
Hail Hail
Greenpinata on 30th September 2016 2:47 pm
Absolutely spot on; as a Catholic of Irish descent I still suffer from sectarianism and bigotry, not racism.
The casual racism that the English (yep, the English); Eastern Europeans (especially Poles); 2nd and 3rd Generation Indians and Pakistanis; immigrants from the Middle East; and refugees and asylum seekers from Africa and the Middle East suffer on a daily basis is shameful to our country.
This is something we need to tackle as a society, firstly by recognising the casual racism exists and secondly by making a conscious effort to remove it.
I use the phrase casual racism because it isn’t as overt as other areas of the UK and Europe but it still exists.
FAC the Act
KTF
Philbhoy 3.12pm
Am in an awe
Hoopy heavenly birthday to the greatest ever Celt Jimmy Johnstone gone but not forgotten HH
GERRYFAETHEBRIG
Watch what your doing Gerry, your being enticed :-))
H.H Mick
WEEMINGER on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 3:22 PM
ERNIE LYNCH on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 2:07 PM
‘Is the SNP model not the one Corbyn wants to adopt ie policy agreed democratically by party members then supported by all members, with no public dissent?’
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No.
Guys,
Remember tomorrow is the junior events for the Great Scottish Run. Loads of roads round George Sq and Merchant City are closed tomorrow and for the senior run on Sunday.
Get the choo choo and walk.
I’m watching the game in McChulls, hopefully see some of you laters.
HH.
Obaf and now Strict Liability.
The Scottish media do not like what they are being forced to have to write and talk about,a dominant,successful Celtic and an embarrassing tribute act bereft of the means to challenge.
Oh look!…………
Melbourne Mick
I don’t take much enticing to go for a few pints and talk rubbish about the hoops :-)
already in the big city the morra 8am-12pm in work so will kid the wee boss on am working till 5pm the big boss has already gave me the green light
Weather Watch 4.25 at Gowran each way.
Pal of mine has contact in the yard and they expect a big run
ERNIE LYNCH on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 3:43 PM
I only skimmed the story about it the other day, so I’ll need to check what he’s proposing for Labour in more detail.
MELBOURNE MICK
You keep out of it, sailor!
GFTB
Hope to be there for the whole game and the afters!. Have to come in to the office for a wee while in the morning.
Depends how I get on!
See you there!
BMCUWP
A new you were in!
WITS – Thanks for the tip have it on PP at 17’s :)
HH
PHILBHOY
Remember when the BV was my pit stop for steak pie and chips
before i hit the Gallowgate with a vengeance and not a tim in
sight but still wish i was joining you all :-))
H.H Mick
Philbhoy-will see you there around 12?
Wee Shay appears to be on the mend, but still in hospital. Family hoping that he is discharged tomorrow, so they can fly home.
HH
CRC
New song to play at Celtic Park when Sevco next come calling.
FAC the Act
KTF
No latest on Slowey Barton?
I suspect that if we crush Dundee Huns tomorrow and the Jags make it difficult for the New Pretendy Huns, then Joey will be the big red weekend squirrel that’s been fatted up for the SMSM’s deflection tactics.
Diddier Drogba
Was it not him that begged Momo Sylla to get him a trial for Celtic
MON said he had Henrik Sutton Hartson at time so didn’t need another striker
Soon afterwards he moved to Marseille or Montpellier and rocketed into fame
Then went to Chelski for £20mill
CRC
Good news about Shay.
Hope he is OK!
The wee soul.
Hope to be there about 12.
MELBOURNE MICK
We will remember you!
We always toast absent friends!
HH
Nice to see HM Royal Navy Officiers letting off some steam instead of Nuclear Missiles…
From last night:
garygillespieshamstring on 30th September 2016 12:19 am
Delaneys At least he had the good grace to change the words.:) Bob Dylan did rip off The Patriot Game.
*”Oh my name it ain’t nothing, my age it means less”, Manfred Mann did a version of it. They covered Mr Zimmerman way before Rod the Mod.
The melody is from a traditional tune “The Merry Month of May” and when Dylan first heard Liam Clancy singing the Patriot Game he thought they were ripping him off.
Lots of folk songs like that, an old Newfie song called ;The Hat My father Wore”, is a prime example as is the southern Gospel song “follow follow we will follow Jesus” which was allegedly being sung as the titanic was sinking, quite appropriate now, sinking ships.
garygillespieshamstring on 30th September 2016 12:35 am
I can remember hearing Grace played once on Radio Clyde years ago. A woman had written in and asked for the Jim McCann version. It was on one of the shows for older folk my ma used to listen to. Don’t know if it would have been Frank Skerrit or if it was after his time.
Never heard it a second time.
*Its Christmas day and I’m sitting round my future brides family table, Radio Scotland Station 242 is on.
The manager of the station came on to deliverer her Christmas message, at the end she said that they didnae really play this type of music but had received umpteen requests for this and so would, at that on came Dermot O’Brien, never heard that again either.
GARYGILLESPIESHAMSTRING on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:59 AM
Obladee oblada life goes on Oh Celtic are the champions
*First game back after a spell in the colonies and on the Balloch/Brigton train when a load of volunteers came on at Yoker Station and regaled us all with this.
Best pub in Puerto Del Carmen for match2m?
MELBOURNE MICK on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 2:31 PM
That is a great idea. Grace was my ma’s name as it is my sister and niece.
Rod Stewart has the perfect voice for a beautiful version of Grace. Hail Hail
Hope and pray young Shay is on the mend.Safe journey home for Shay and all who are holidaying with him.
Has anybody watched Mikael Lustig’s wifes blog page?
What a lovely family and Celtic to the core makes you
so proud.
H.H Mick
sipsini on 30th September 2016 4:37 pm
MELBOURNE MICK on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 2:31 PM
That is a great idea. Grace was my ma’s name as it is my sister and niece.
Rod Stewart has the perfect voice for a beautiful version of Grace. Hail Hail
*Mrs. TT said the same thing yesterday, if he can sing “will you go lassie go”, with the OL&SP choir he can surely sing this.
O.K lets get a petition going, Rod to sing GRACE after
Almore’s cafe off course, and ma wee shoap in Melbourne.
H.H Mick
One of the privileges of age is to have witnessed Jinky’s whole Celtic career.
I was fortunate enough to have a wee chat with him when he and a few of his former team mates payed a visit to Donegal, a few years ago.
One of the surprising things about him, was how physically powerful he look, even in his, by then 50’s.
However, the most amazing thing I felt was the impression he gave that it was an honour for him to be chatting to me!
I have had that experience on one other occasion…and that was when I met the wonderful Paul Mc.Grath.
you got a link Melbourne mick?
IVEHADTOCHANGEMYNAME
Sorry you’ve got me there.
H.H Mick
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37522482
lennie
@pintaguinness
I’ve been to Playa del Carmen many times, no prettier place in the world. Fifth Avenue offers many places to watch football but I’ve not taken the time to do so myself.
This forum may offer an answer. Predominantly ex-pat Americans, they’ve always responded to my questions. If they can offer an opinion, they will – try the ‘General’ or ‘Introductions’ tabs.
http://www.playa.info/playa-del-carmen-forum/