Scottish clubs, including (original) Rangers, opposed the imposition of Strict Liability on clubs for offenses by their fans as long as the club concerned had undertaken all reasonable precautions to discourage and prevent those offenses.
In other words, if a club warn fans what is unacceptable behaviour, and confirm they will be banned from your stadium if they indulge, the club will not incur any punishment. As we know, it’s different in European competition, where clubs are held responsible for fans’ transgressions.
This is all fine and well, but it’s a moot debate after the Scottish Cup Final riot. Hibs and (Newco) Rangers may well have taken all reasonable precautions ahead of the game, but that changed for Newco immediately thereafter.
The statement defending the Newco fans taking the law into their own hands on the Hampden pitch that day is the opposite of undertaking all reasonable precautions. In fact, it was incendiary. I have little doubt it contributed to the actions of Newco fans in the first few months of this season, who appear to wandering around Premiership grounds ready to settle perceived scores.
Justification by Statement has continued. It’s now a pattern. The question for the SFA disciplinary panel, is whether they condone clubs encouraging fans taking the law into their own hands, as consistent with reasonable precautions, when deciding on actions by visiting fans at Celtic Park and Pittodrie.
It’s not. In fact, it’s dangerous and will lead to increasingly alarming situations until those setting the fires are brought to account. What happened at Celtic Park and Pittodrie was bad enough but far more serious consequences could lie ahead if this clarion call for Direct Action isn’t faced.
The players will still be buzzing from Wednesday night when they take to the field at Dens tomorrow lunchtime. We could blow Dundee away in a wave of effervescent football, or we could struggle to get heads out of the clouds. We’ve witnessed both scenarios before.
Jimmy Johnstone
You’re in for a treat tonight, the Jimmy Johnstone documentary is on BBC Alba at 9:30, on what would have been his 72nd birthday. It’s a brilliant journey into the life and family of an extraordinary-ordinary person. I thought I’d known all there was to know about the Jinky story, but I didn’t realise he was decades ahead of the game in terms of fitness and training techniques.
Brain injury
We have a special article out today, written by SunnyJim, on brain injury in the game (and a whole lot more). We re-examine a blow to the head taken early in the 6-2 game by Fernando Ricksen, who like Jinky, was struck by Motor Neurone Disease.
The game has a responsibility to its players, which means we all need to become educated in some of the risks. Read the article, you’ll learn something significant about an incident you are very familiar with.
The Celtic Foundation has had a great boost already from all those who are doing the Great Scottish Run on Sunday on its behalf. Dozens of Celtic fans have been sponsored by hundreds of fans, raising thousands of pounds.
This will be the last you hear from me on the subject before the off; if you can help, here’s the place.
Thank you, and thanks to everyone who has already contributed.
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nae bother mm, will start googling
JABBA Traynor.
On the Saturday after we players A C Milan, when the Milan goalie ( Dida ?) went to ground in agony after a Celtic fan latter him on the shoulder area, I was listening in part to Traynors radio phone in. I was raging at some of the crap I was hearing from rankers fans etc, and Jabba himself, so I phoned up and somehow got thru straight away.
I never listened to his show much, and this was the 1st time that I phoned.
Jabba was giving the Celtic stewards pelters ( I am fully aware that some stewards anywhere can be somewhat shall we unhelpful), but Jabba was agreeing with Huns that the stewards should have stopped this one fan getting on, and how he may have had a knife etc ?????
I pointed out to Jabba that if ONE dafty runs onto the pitch, he/she would probably manage it as it’s virtually impossible to stop one individual from doing so, anywhere !
Plus I suggested that he was pandering to his Hun callers about a non existent knife, and that if he wasn’t prepared to deal with FACTS, then he shouldn’t be discussing it ?
He backtracked a bit, and I said to him that in order to show how wrong he and his Hun callers were,” let’s pretend Mr Traynor that your son/daughter was a steward at CP the other night, and that the idiot that ran on DID have a knife, would you be okay with your son,/ daughter tackling said knife welding individual on their own, especially for the money that stewards get paid” ?
Again when faced with the scenario that I had just painted he began to back track further.
I then said something along the lines of, ” would you be okay with your offspring tackling this individual for £15 before tax” ?
This Jabba Bam then replied, ” 15 pounds an hour sounds like good money to me” ?
When I then advised him that ” No, not £15 an hour Mr Traynor, £15 a SHIFT” !
He then said I just be moving, and I told him that I knew for fact that the stewards wages were not much more than that !
He was then forced to seriously back track.
I then accused him of being seriously out of touch with topics that he had little or no knowledge of, and that lack of knowledge therefore should be telling him to refrain from discussing issues that he obviously knows nothing about !
He was somewhat speechless at this point, and I hung up !
Whit a clown he was then….still is !
If memory serves me correctly the Orange Bastard and Fenian act, now used so adeptly by the magnificent and fair minded Scottish institutions was Paul McBride’s idea and condoned by Celtic PLC.
I suspect it originally was an attempt to punish huns for singing the famine song but Kenny MacAskill pushed it through after seeing “The Broonie”.
Yes indeed you reap what you sow.
Moving ?=Joking
IVEHADTOCHANGEMYNAME
Do you mean to our club? if so it’s the
Social celts Mornington.
H.H Mick
Ah days like this remind me of Jock Stein …
“Football without TV money is nothing”
PINTAGUINNESS on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 4:37 PM
Best pub in Puerto Del Carmen for match2m?
I was there last year and watched Celtic games in Brendan Beehan’s in the old town. He has Celtic TV. On the one occasion, that he didn’t open on time, (due to being open most of the night), the pub next door had the game as well. There are five or six pubs in this area, including The Blarney Stone, where we saw The Dublin City Ramblers. It did not have the games but all the others did.
Good Luck,
Yogi
That greeting face diving cheating thug Drogba couldnae get a game for us !
BMCUWP,
Cheers mate, I won’t email you this time,but I am 80% sure that I will make it into the BV tmorra for the game.
I just need to sort something out tmorra first, and then I’ll know for sure.
I would probably be in around 11.30, all things being well
HH
MARGARET MCGILL
Thought you might be ball deep in the Ryder Cup petal!!
Right bhoys its been a hoot and its time for my bed.
Celtic forever and Rod to sing Grace.
Toodleoothenoo
H.H Mick
Greenpinta thanks for the response.
I disagree with you on a couple of grounds.
I think firstly I am not using the word racism casually or in any way to devalue it. Racism is racism and where it exists it tends to focus not just in one area because the perpetrators desire is to feel superior (sound familiar).
I think that Catholics in Scotland have indeed made strides forward but they have fought for that and it can be eroded again (see the OBFAC). Scotland has never admitted its issue never mind address it.
A quarter of a century. I grew up with the discrimination. It is still there.
The sevco debacle showed that Scotland will contravene any law to protect its racist institutions.
The debate remains on removing catholic schools and the snapped did a deal with the Catholic Church to retain them in return for their silence on a range of matters. The OBFAC being one of them.
It is racism. It hasn’t gone away. Whilst Catholics have made progress this isn’t ancient history nor can you consider it to be permanent.
I suspect it originally was an attempt to punish huns for singing the famine song but Kenny MacAskill pushed it through after seeing “The Broonie”.
excellent
Vfr you said
“Absolutely spot on; as a Catholic of Irish descent I still suffer from sectarianism and bigotry, not racism.”
What do you see the distinction between the two?
Is this a sort of Stockholm syndrome I wonder.
A rose by any other name…………..
What is apfascinating is that you choose to make the distinction to it seems, in some ways, downplay it.
Scotland is a fascinating lesson in sociology and psychology.
Evening champions…
Anither braw day…….imagine if the Pink cover the Green…..
Wid be braw for fewer folk to walk alone………..”the butterfly,s wing”
Braw
Gute besserung Jay…
Your big smiley thing is a joy to behold…
Braw.
Paul 67
Timely shout.
Sevco are now 4 years out of control, and proving a bigger ‘ignored’ threat than old Rangers who did eventually before their demise on the face of it, make feeble attempts to condemn sectarianism.
We even have ‘Police Scotland recommendations for celebrating players’ – that don’t apply when it happens to be them.
Sevco have fuelled and condoned the bigot card they have encouraged offensive behaviour, it’s a deliberate policy by their desolate hand picked convict and cohorts.
Sectarianism is keeping ‘the billy boys’ firmly en board, and blinkers their support to why they are now in the barren abyss they created.
The SFA with whom Celtic have to work are unfit for purpose, but the caravan rolls on.
Genetically I dont see the Irish and Scottish as different races.
I think racism is melanin profiling since the last Ice age.
Hard to do with such peely wallies on both sides.
Can you say “peely wallies” on CQN?
Oh and BTW…..
Thoughts on Sam Allardyce..10 thousand pounds a day …and grubbing with his pals for more…?????
And Brendan ??? His response…
We will see …but it does not bang the drum…
Introspective smiley thing
Braw
https://twitter.com/joeglesga/status/781509211670863872
Come on feel the noise…..
Evening All. Help needed,I want to see the Jinky film tonight on BBC Alba, does anyone know how to get it outside the UK ? Thanks.
‘I don’t think UEFA are giving me it but the Celtic fans are giving me it and I’m claiming it’
– Kieran Tierney
Celtic’s points in CL Group Stage:
2001/02 – 9
2003/04 – 7
2004/05 – 5
2006/07 – 9
2007/08 – 9
2008/09 – 5
2012/13 – 10
2013/14 – 3
I think we should demand that Rod sings ‘Grace’ at the official opening of Almore’s Cafe next to the Superstore at CP!
HH!!
Any repeal of the OBAF act was scuppered after the cup final shambles, the diversion towards strict liability will now take centre stage.
I heard MSP James Dornan on radio this morning already preparing the ground. Notice how Scotlands finest can find 4 alleged offenders for the blow up doll mess, however not a single arrest for vandalism?
I do not subscribe to all of the conspiracy theories on here however once again we see an apparent difference being made, or am I paranoid?
JMcCormick
The damage to our stadium was a major crime scene for which no one has been arrested, much easier for plod to trace guys with the dummies and I believe more satisfying for them.
Are we one race… Yes… But…
When the aul anglo-saxon went for the Genocide of the Gael he found it easier said than done.
Brutal murder can be effective… but see if you’re fighting mad, mentals…
So they needed various tactics to augment that partially failing policy…
Assilmilation being one tactic…
The aul starvation and clearances..
And of course their classic… Divide and rule being another… Irish – Scottish Catholic – Protestant
All being fairly successful in there own way… left a bit of a mess though…
Hail Hail
Celtic at home group stages in
the Champions League
Played 22 Won 15 D 4 L 3
celtic 1-0 porto
celtic 1-0 rosenborg
celtic 4-3 juventus
celtic 3-1 anderlecht
celtic 0-0 bayern
celtic 2-0 lyon
celtic 1 – 3 barcelona
celtic 0-0 ac milan
celtic 1-0 shaktar donetsk
celtic 3-0 benfica
celtic 1-0 copenhagen
celtic 1-0 man utd
celtic 1-0 benfica
celtic 2-1 ac milan
celtic 2-1 shaktar donetsk
celtic 2-1 barcelona
celtic 0-0 benfica
celtic 2-1 spartak moscow
celtic 2-1 ajax
celtic 0-1 barcelona
celtic 0-3 ac milan
celtic 3-3 man city
stats csc
How were the cops able to identify, track down and arrest those -allegedly- responsible for the blow-up dolls ‘display’?
Did they leave a forwarding address on said dolls?
But… have so far been unable -unwilling(?)- to identify, track down and arrest some of those responsible for the considerable damage to the toilets at the hun end of CP?
I think I may know the answer.
HH!!
Did Police Scotland ever arrest anyone for the attacks in the Gallowgate prior to the most recent game against Ajax, another in the cold case pile no doubt.
best song start ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxjIBEZvx0
monthebandcsc
Paul Dykes interviews Andy Lynch in this the second part of our 3 part video series. This week Andy talks about Jock Stein, the 77 Cup Final, the 4-2 game and more. You’ll love it.
Andy’s biography Hoops, Stars and Stripes is published in two weeks by CQN. It went to the printers today.
Paul Dykes is rightly very proud of this book which he regards as his best yet and he’s pulled together a great offer for 100 CQNers which you’ll see in the feature.
Andy Lynch will be on CQN in a couple of weeks from now to do a Q&A.
Here’s the link.
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=28363
If the polis have went to the lengths they have to find and arrest the dummy danglers but haven’t nabbed one culprit from the toilet trashing,which has it’s own show on youtube,then I think we know where their will is prioritised.
It’s naw a conspiracy though!?
FINISHEDWITHMYWOMANCOSSHECOULDNTHELPMEWITHMYLIFEcsc
Messi
Ronaldo
Iniesta
Del Piero
Rooney
Trezeguet
Pirlo
Kaka
Kompany
Xavi
Di Maria
Giggs
Have all lost at Celtic Park….
Copyright …Nome
Braw
PUFFNSTUFF
You will need something like HMA PRO VPN then you can access :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07xdrv3
The programme will be available shortly after broadcast
Bassa offspring of Dallas MIB tomorrow…
BADA BING
Rosemary’s Baby?
BOURNESOUPRECIPE @ 6:32 PM,
That record is none too shabby…
If we are still at L3 at the end of this Campaign I’ll be happy…
Hail Hail
Thanks Burgas I will try that. Ive got cyberghost but that doesnt seem to work. Cheers!