Scottish clubs, including (original) Rangers, opposed the imposition of Strict Liability on clubs for offenses by their fans as long as the club concerned had undertaken all reasonable precautions to discourage and prevent those offenses.
In other words, if a club warn fans what is unacceptable behaviour, and confirm they will be banned from your stadium if they indulge, the club will not incur any punishment. As we know, it’s different in European competition, where clubs are held responsible for fans’ transgressions.
This is all fine and well, but it’s a moot debate after the Scottish Cup Final riot. Hibs and (Newco) Rangers may well have taken all reasonable precautions ahead of the game, but that changed for Newco immediately thereafter.
The statement defending the Newco fans taking the law into their own hands on the Hampden pitch that day is the opposite of undertaking all reasonable precautions. In fact, it was incendiary. I have little doubt it contributed to the actions of Newco fans in the first few months of this season, who appear to wandering around Premiership grounds ready to settle perceived scores.
Justification by Statement has continued. It’s now a pattern. The question for the SFA disciplinary panel, is whether they condone clubs encouraging fans taking the law into their own hands, as consistent with reasonable precautions, when deciding on actions by visiting fans at Celtic Park and Pittodrie.
It’s not. In fact, it’s dangerous and will lead to increasingly alarming situations until those setting the fires are brought to account. What happened at Celtic Park and Pittodrie was bad enough but far more serious consequences could lie ahead if this clarion call for Direct Action isn’t faced.
The players will still be buzzing from Wednesday night when they take to the field at Dens tomorrow lunchtime. We could blow Dundee away in a wave of effervescent football, or we could struggle to get heads out of the clouds. We’ve witnessed both scenarios before.
Jimmy Johnstone
You’re in for a treat tonight, the Jimmy Johnstone documentary is on BBC Alba at 9:30, on what would have been his 72nd birthday. It’s a brilliant journey into the life and family of an extraordinary-ordinary person. I thought I’d known all there was to know about the Jinky story, but I didn’t realise he was decades ahead of the game in terms of fitness and training techniques.
Brain injury
We have a special article out today, written by SunnyJim, on brain injury in the game (and a whole lot more). We re-examine a blow to the head taken early in the 6-2 game by Fernando Ricksen, who like Jinky, was struck by Motor Neurone Disease.
The game has a responsibility to its players, which means we all need to become educated in some of the risks. Read the article, you’ll learn something significant about an incident you are very familiar with.
The Celtic Foundation has had a great boost already from all those who are doing the Great Scottish Run on Sunday on its behalf. Dozens of Celtic fans have been sponsored by hundreds of fans, raising thousands of pounds.
This will be the last you hear from me on the subject before the off; if you can help, here’s the place.
Thank you, and thanks to everyone who has already contributed.
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Good evening friends
Evening Burgas…can you ask Allan to check out the photo in the magazines report about Craig Gordon …ask him who the man in the photo could be !!!
Hail hail
Braw
BigCupWinners
your boy is in the video posted earlier
PETEC on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 2:55 PM
It has to be said.
That first Celtic goal was one of the best ever training ground goals.
A Brilliant view from Mrs Lustigs Camera.
5 minutes in
Eving jobo…a braw smile is still on yer Bleeker….
Braw.
I haven’t lived in Scotland for over 30 years so can somebody with knowledge explain what the blow up doll characters are actually charged with?
It may have been in poor taste but i don’t think it was criminal.
A decent lawyer and a willingness to go all the way to European courts should see this dismissed.
Vandalism seems to be condoned by the SNP stormtroopers but a poor taste joke seems to have upset their hunnish tendencies.
Scotland really has an underlying cancer at the heart of it’s society.
Tallybhoy
Police Scotland according to one report are asking for anyone with phone footage of the CP toilet wreckage to come forward, you couldn’t make it up.
NEUSTADT-BRAW
Evening A, i’ll do that now :-))
Fan a tic
Think I read somewhere they have been charged under The Offensive Behaviour at Football Act
The reason the Police need people who took video footage of the Celtic Park toilets being damaged is because in law, they need the owner of the footage to authenticate the video, ie where it was taken and on what date and time.
A good defence lawyer could drive a horse and cart through a case based on random video footage just lifted from Social Media.
Named in the Stevens Report of 17 dodgy transfers
Jean-Alain Boumsong (Old Rangers to Newcastle)
SurpriseSurprise CSC
Boom – Song?
….hope so……….
Good Evening
Here is a new piece about the outcome of the Scottish Football Supporters Survey 2016 https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2016/09/30/the-scottish-football-supporters-survey-2016/
And (in case you missed it…), here is today’s earlier blog about Wednesday’s Champions League game and some folk struggling in a goldfish bowl…
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2016/09/30/a-great-football-philosopher-speaks/
Neganon
Always interesting to get your point of view. Alas I will take Catholic churches view of life in Scotland over someone who does not follow the faith-you! I have read you on here fart effortlessly bout people you know inside the churches view-arrogance and error trying to bend my faiths position into your own chaotic political view.
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Ernie Unionist
Alas your one sided memory determines your ‘party’ as the cult.I mean the war criminal and socialism
Was that not betrayal of the highest order?,, The offshore industry under he who couldnae count Brown, that really redistributed income eh? Aye to the rich.
Sectarianism has always been owned and used by those in power.your british unuon owned it for last 300 years .and it has been a handy tool to divide and rule.ably ignored by whatever “cult” has the reins of power.
The irony is they are a party that should be the natural path, alas youd be a mug to be betrayed/shat on by their own again.
HH
Yogi
Brendans it is
Many thanks
Boo boo
JMCCORMICK on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 6:16 PM
Any repeal of the OBAF act was scuppered after the cup final shambles, the diversion towards strict liability will now take centre stage.
I heard MSP James Dornan on radio this morning already preparing the ground. Notice how Scotlands finest can find 4 alleged offenders for the blow up doll mess, however not a single arrest for vandalism?
I do not subscribe to all of the conspiracy theories on here however once again we see an apparent difference being made, or am I paranoid?
Months ago I was being derided on here for suggesting that repeal of the OB Act was far from a done deal.
DESSYBHOY
Offensive behaviour at football?
In the same match.
Garners wrestling and playacting was offensive.
Senderos and Kiernans masquerading as defenders was offensive.
Barton hiding was offensive.
Warbs lack of grace in aftermath was truly offensive.
The entire huns end took offensive to a higher level.
Correct but the Police decide what is offensive
An Tearmann.
I caught your post at 2.43 am the other day. That was some shift.
Glad to know that we have at least 4 Bellarmine bhoys who post.
It must be 5 really as most people say Peter Lawwell posts too. :-)))).
Glad you met Jim, he’s a really decent man, I have to say that he lurks :-)).
He doesn’t always agree with my posts and tells me the next day, more reason why he should stop lurking and start posting.
Neganon
The debate remains on removing catholic schools and the snapped did a deal with the Catholic Church to retain them in return for their silence on a range of matters. The OBFAC being one of them.
Utter utter nonsense
An example of you being arrogant and error strewin again.
Back up your shiteswipe mate- you wont.you and I both know that.
HH
I’ve told this one before on here but worth another plug with the Jinky documentary later on Alba.
I work with a guy who played against the wee man six times, early seventies. This player was told to ‘do’ Jinky by his manager (work it out, Clyde 72). I asked him what the outcome was and here’s some of his quotes..
….so quick you can’t get near him
….he puts the ball right in front of you then whips it away, making you look foolish
…when you do hit him you bounce off
..unbelievable strength
….world class fullbacks took a roasting from him so what chance did a Clyde player have.
AuldTam
You’re right it might not even have been huns what done it.
Warburton sets himself apart form every other coach in Scotland
He said on radio clyde tonight he was not commenting on fans behaviour because it was above his pay grade.
I would assume Warburton is obliged like every other coach to have an opinion on major game issues
Saying it is above his pay grade is a pile of crap he just does not want to answer questions on the subject especially questions about the behaviour of his clubs fans.
How many times has this guy mentioned old firm since newco came up must be 1 hundred and now he has gone all shy on one of the old firms ever recurring issues ie crowd trouble
No way is he sneaking off he is part of it now and the only way out is to chuck it get the sack or termination by mutual consent
Warburton would be wisely advised if he went home because it looks like all this extra old firm stuff is too much of a workload for the city boy
I’m no talking boo hoo csc
HH
fan-a-tic on 30th September 2016 6:55 pm
Impersonating an officer
AN TEARMANN on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 7:11 PM
Sectarianism has always been owned and used by those in power.your british unuon owned it for last 300 years .and it has been a handy tool to divide and rule.ably ignored by whatever “cult” has the reins of power.
A simplistic but valid example of the above is Norn Ireland where it has suited the ruling clique to portray Protestants a getting everything.
The truth is that working class Protestants may have got a penny when the Catholic working class got a half penny. In truth, to have a decent life both should have had the tuppence that was being pocketed by the employing/ruling class. At its peak, with the divide and keep wages low policies, Harland and Woolf was probably employing around a thousand people a year for nothing compared to its mainland competitors.
Ryder Cup ‘As It Stands’ with the afternoon games now all underway –
Europe 2½ USA 5½
Each and every game involving thems is an advert for offensive behaviour,loud and clear to anyone tuning in.What happens as a result?Nada.
That’s a conspiracy,at least of silence.
FAN-A-TIC was correct about there being a cancer in Scottish society,but no-one’s allowed to prescribe any medicine.Or no-one wants to.Either way the disease is allowed to fester and the hun hatefest rolls on unpunished.
Jobo
I would take that just now, this morning was a walkover too many in team Europe shit it.
PINTAGUINNESS
I was in Del Carmen Old Town 3wks ago mhate watched the hun game and Barca game in Blarney Stone on big screen , but there’s quite a few bars will show it HH !
BABASONICOS71 on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 7:36 PM
What we must understand is that is neither the will or resources to prosecute more than a few individuals.
Anybody got spare tickets for tomorrow?
KLV
QUONNO
Harland and Wolff built Celtic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Celtic_(1901)
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 7:39 PM
QUONNO
Harland and Wolff built Celtic.
Chances are my grandfather worked on the building of it.
JimmynotPaul
Aye there are a few ex Bellarmine bhoys on.I owe Jim a beer as I would not have had that experience on wednesday(wow just wow) if it were not for you guys.
Into the bargain some drams were taken by kebab king acgr and big skyeisalandfill after game lol so rhanks again.
I hope your keepin in good form, re Bellarmine; good few years back, had a laugh when their dinner dance and former pupils dance was announced for The Hilton,,,,…my mate john asked was the Cavvy busy lol.keep the spirits up mate and thanks again to all for wed night :-)
HH
Dessybhoy –
Honestly think it could be 4-4 by the end of today. Which was the basis of my 25p Yankee on the 4 matches ;-)
jobo
I like your thinking hope you are right
QUONNO on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 7:38 PM
BABASONICOS71 on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 7:36 PM
What we must understand is that is neither the will or resources to prosecute more than a few individuals.
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I get you mate.Doesn’t make it any less palatable,tough.
Wonder what time and resources would be applied if the singing was about being
“up to our knees
in jewish/negro blood”?
I’d wager there being much more will,time and resources available to end it.
It’s a sad situation.
Comedy gold……
SSB…….Alex EBT Rae…… Being disgusted about corruption in fitba
Now Keevins saying Celtic & Rangers (sic) have to offere these deals to get these players ?????
I know some might say don’t listen but the hypocrisy fair cheers me up :-)
BABASONICOS
Not if the huns were singing it.