Let’s be clear about this, footballers taking a lap of honour are not liable for hooliganism. You know this and Police Scotland know it. Forcing football hooligans to stay behind after a game and watch opponents celebrate, as happened when Newco visited Celtic Park earlier this season, was a poorly thought out police decision, but the police are not liable for hooliganism either.
The match superintendent’s report, made available under Freedom of Information, illustrates that forcing 800 losers watch 59,011 people celebrate is something that should have been considered prior to the match being allowed to proceed with only 800 away fans.
Losing fans at this fixture should be allowed to leave the stadium at full time. If this cannot be accommodated with away fans getting such a small area of the stadium, away fans should be given an appropriate section of the stadium and egress areas.
This is a new problem and you know who caused it. Give away fans appropriate egress at both stadiums and the problem goes away.
And while we’re discussing the matter, running headlines which justify hooliganism is grossly irresponsible. You also know who staged this for the newspaper.
This is why we need to be relentless. We need to win the League Cup and we need to rattle through the league in December. Fight fire will irresistible football success.
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SoT when I got home that night my mother handed me a 45 that she had bought for me up the toon that day, it was Bob’s latest single. At that time I had all his albums and this song was not on any of them. My favourite Bob song ever.
A big hit at the time was an RAF group trying to be a protest group with that day the appropriately named “It’s good news week” it certainly was.
Celtic Mac
Dave King reduced the allocation of tickets to Celtic at the behest of Huns who were sick of seeing the free Broomloan celebrating the hammering of the Huns. They were sick of it and demanded that Celtic were given only what the small teams get.
Celtic were not consulted. Celtic had been operating under a previous arrangement whereas each side got equal amount of tickets for each away match and this was backed by the police.
When Sevco announced this we were first team at home and we decided that we had to reciprocate the reduction.
However, the Police worked out their strategy of keeping the 800 away fans with the same area of the stadium and with the same turnstiles. This resulted in the east stand additional Celtic fans were forced to enter by the North East Corner and the overcrowding.
Celtic have long since stopped using the “Old Firm” term by all at the club. We stopped joint sponsorship and made it clear we want no partnership with Sevco in any way possible. We have a declared policy of operating on a stand alone basis.
Celtic have never shown any attempt at encouraging any links.
The phrase reducing the attractiveness ofthe fixture is plainly apportioning the blame squarely on Sevco it also reveals the worries that they have with the Police arrangements in order to see Celtic fans safe.
I think the Club should take the 800 tickets and then refuse to issue them to our support. It’s a small hit financially but it makes a very serious point: we don’t think our support will be safe in Govan and not just in the ground itself.
I find it quite amusing all the drooling over Anne Lounden. You obviously never seen her presenting the Scottish news last season on the day of a Celtic sevco game. Fully bedecked in a red white and blue dress. Makes her a hun imho. HH
BB- Another take is,the huns are skint, and wanted another 6k of STs,asap,all cash up front, no instalments.
bigbhoy
Thousands of Celtic supporters were put at risk as a result of decisions taken in conjunction by Celtic FC, PoliceScotland and with some help from GCC. Celtic mimicked a decision by Dave King, prioritised those 800 visiting supporters, and took extraordinary steps to accommodate them at the expense of Celtic fans attending a home match.
Celtic are not part of the Old Firm? They are constantly part of it, maintained the trademark for it, and share it with, well I’ll leave you to figure out that part. You want to be an apologist for a Board that helped put thousands of Celtic supporters at risk, and is now presently waging a media campaign to allow it to do so again, this time at Ayebrokes under the friendly eye of PoliceScotland feel free to do so. Include me out.
TONTINE TIM _
Aargh -that Hedgehoppers Anonymous choon ? Produced by the child abuser Jonathan King
Did your Bob 45 have a green picture sleeve with a photo of him at the piano ? I bought that in a choon store In Falkirk en route to a game at the tip called Brockville . Still have the 45 in that sleeve . Can’t remember a thing about the game.
We were just the answer to a question on Fifteen to One there. ?
Quizball CSC
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SOT
what beautiful piano, thanks
Big Packy.
I’m just catching up, I’m sorry to hear about your friend.
You are a kind man.
Strong people look after themselves, but stronger people look after others.
Hail Hail
WHITEDOGHUNCH
He was blind – from Glaucoma . Helped his skint parents out when he was 11 – playing clarinet in a Chicago brothel.
The Celtic PLC board, sleekitly, behind the back of the Brendan bounce, jumped into bed with the returning Sevco / Rangers two years ago, and agreed to the Old Firm ticket pricing of £49:00.
But, that wasn’t the worst bit, not by any stretch.
The worst bit was when, the Celtic supporters put all of their green-hun credentials on display, and queued up, in their 000’s, to purchase these, Old Firm £49:00 tickets, which, in effect, rubber stamped the new club, Sevco FC, as being the same club as, the old club, Ranger FC, which was the Celtic supporters, or, the green-huns, Bobby Eweing moment, were these supporters, did the following…….
1. Totally dismantled the ‘same club’ issue.
2. Enabled the new/old club to move on, without as much as a punch being swung at them.
3. Enabled the new/old club to retain all of their history, including all of the ‘disputed’ trophie’s.
4. Enabled the, contentious, complicit, deceitful, kowtowing, masonic, Celtic PLC board, to avoid having to deal with the ‘same club’ issue, as the PLC demonstrated that, the present day Celtic supporters, quite simply, have neither the ball’s, nor the cuteness to go toe to toe, in any dispute, with the PLC, the masonic master’s of the Celtic supporters.
5. Finally, and most sickening of all, these green-huns, who allowed themselves to be easily mugged into purchasing these poisonous, toxic £49:00 Old Firm tickets, they have queued up to, not just allow themselves to be, easily mugged into the PLC’s ticket trap, sickeningly, they have spat in the faces of the ‘Internet Bampots’ who produced, mountain, after, mountain, after, mountain of, Supreme Court backed evidence, that proves every bit of the, cheating, tax dodging, same club switcheroo, etc…..etc.
All of that, for £49:00…..deary me.
Thanx.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
SOT, interesting, thanks will listen to some more now
Turkeybhoy
Sometime yesterday you commented along the lines of growing up you and your pals never talked about the celtic board . got to say that is the polar opposite of my experience.
From a very early age I recall the uncles the granda even my granny commenting on the families that owned celtic. 2 uncles in particular as committee members of the shamrock had ticket dealings with Desmond white at his office off bath Street and they despised him. My granda had a dislike for sir Bob and other than the 1952 flag stance and bringing back jock he thought he was nothing more than the master gate money skimmer.
That was nothing to what I then would listen to on the shammy bus. Hardcore rebels didn’t like the board almost just as 2 fingers up to the man but there was a uni educated herald reader who would put forward the most compelling arguments for the removal of the families and fan ownership. This was 15 years before Fergus.
At gcbp I also had a great teacher, name escapes me , was in his 60s then, followed celtic since 1920 , had a calton heritage right back to the founding of the club. He told tales of brake clubs in dispute with the directors. Huge attendance’s with never any money spent on ground or players. The owning families going free gratis with many others in the main stand. The capped wages. No accounts need reported. The demise of the club from the 1930s on. The old lady in Ireland who really owned the club, remote and doing whatever Robert Kelly bid. Who really picked the team all those years. And the shameful touting of mcgrory to the arsenal. Stein being offered joint managership by kelly because the club might not be ready for a protestant manager. The sacking of billy in a car park.
I got taught our history. And knowing that history a constant was to question the owners. Almost exactly 100 years of the limited company the first 30 years progressive business men,mostly their descendants a burden on the support. in it for the celtic or in it for themselves ?
The PLC board need questioned all the time. On anything and everything. Unfortunately we are back to the supporting shareholder having no effect in anyway. I would love if we could force through a buy out of Desmond.
T was ever thus.
HEN1RIK
Is that you having your own wee Achill Islam moment :-)
WHITEDOGHUNCH
2 of his LPs get regular spins in my house –
Lennie Tristano
The New Tristano
And a PS.
My uncle paddy based in Kearney NJ had a relationship with the board through events organised in the USA. Not shy he used this to get tickets when home, often sitting in the directors box and a few times even at Ibrox. In family conversation he would slaughter their business acumen and even say few found the whole celtic thing a burden of attendance and showing up. Chris white I assume.
Even more so he criticised the club taking reflected glory in the charity work of the supporters club.
I asked him what it was like meeting all those celtic owners. He said they are just people but I always count my fingers after I shake their hands.
He did cut jack mcginn a lot of space. He liked jack.
To be fair -the running of the business called Celtic has improved since the days it was run out of ” offices ” above the Blue Lagoon.
Auldheid & Canamalar ,
Sorry guys but you need to step aside and let someone else get resolution 12 over the line .
I’d like to volunteer to kidnap a board lackey ( let’s say WITS ) and hold him hostage at the top of the Erskine bridge waving a resolution 12 banner .
Surely that would get the attention of the international press ?
Smiley , aff oot , zzzzzzz , who’d win in a fight , por cierto thing .
WEEFRATHETIM on 27TH NOVEMBER 2018 2:59 PM
I find it quite amusing all the drooling over Anne Lounden. You obviously never seen her presenting the Scottish news last season on the day of a Celtic sevco game. Fully bedecked in a red white and blue dress. Makes her a hun imho. HH
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Yes, I remember that dress! Fans drooling over Ann have obviously never seen her standing up either. Unless of course they prefer their women to have thighs like Bobo Balde. She has a pretty face though.
Agreed – when it comes to relations with our domestic neighbours – we seem to operate a ‘wait and see’ policy, it’s a rubbish policy and it has to go. Surely they need to take the initiative now and again. IMO – copying sevco and reducing the ticket allocation for away fans in the last match at Parkhead was a mistake, let sevco go out on a limb – we had no need to join them. All we achieved there was to justify the oft repeated nonsense that ‘one’s as bad as the other’.
Big Peter needs to grow a pair and fast, Operation ’stop the 10’ hasn’t even started yet, things will get ugly and we need to be ready – simply waiting to see what happens next before we act will surely leave us in deep sh!t surrounded by hostiles.
!!BADA BING!! on 26TH NOVEMBER 2018 11:21 PM
Please check the following about Lawwell
I remember him being appointed by the old board.
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Peter+Lawwell
TEUCHTER ÁR LÁ on 27TH NOVEMBER 2018 4:13 PM
Lol
Don;t know about anyone else but, I’m getting really hacked off with the “Uriah Heep” method of operation CELTIC always adopt. The ever so humble kow towing to the SFA et all has to stop and stop now,
Get some balls, and stand up to the bully’s that manifest everywhere in toxic Scotland, it really is the only way to defeat bullies and bigots.
The only thing that keeps me going is just how much all these anti CELTIC scumbags are hurting, and hurting they are, big time , and that my friends, is good.
KINGLuBO
TOSB
Fraid I’ve never seen her thighs, her dress put me aff her for lofe. Lol. HH
Jeezo I’ll need to stop wearing blue jeans and a white shirt,Canny have people thinking I’m a hun
Michael Kelly was my Economics Tutor when I was at Strathclyde. In fact he was also my “Councillor”, a role that I did not… eh… ever seek his council on. In a word… Egotistical.
The Irony of the fact that he lectured in Economics and presided over the economic shambles that was Celtic in the late eighties and early nineties was not lost on me at the time.
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L14- maybe I’m missing something mate,that is what i would class as the new board,after Fergus took over?HH
Paddy welsh fenian army.
http://image.wikifoundry.com/image/1/1JLPwTjdtyI5R-em4qDjWg87260/GW799H493
Thunderbirds
Did he ask if you were from one of the peripheral schemes.
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Saint Stivis, Jack McGinn was a nice guy.
I got into a bit of trouble with his nephew when younger and he turned up to meet us both with a solicitor and got us out of the scrape. I will be forever grateful, the only time in my life I was in a bit of trouble with the law. My life might have taken a different path if not for Jack.
D. :)
From CelticResearch
The entire correspondence relating to September’s game can be accessed on Police Scotland’s website here.
Lots to go through.
http://www.scotland.police.uk/access-to-information/freedom-of-information/disclosure-log/0/2018/November/18-2094
A thread.
1. Within the FOI request which Police Scotland has released on the Janefield Street Crush, there really are some staggering insights into the operation and mindset of our police.
At the core is the deflection of blame.
This is nothing new to football fans.
2. Within the “Data 4” documents they are at pains to avoid the use of the word “crushing” despite the fact that they admit a few paragraphs earlier to referencing the Taylor report on Hillsborough and within another document a mounted officer calls in “dangerous”, crowding. https://twitter.com/CelticResearch/status/1067409259070148609/photo/1
3. In the same letter we see clearly how they are looking to deflect responsibility away from policing & onto Celtic ,
“Consequently all aspects of the running of the event will be the SOLE responsibility of Celtic..”
“I think that makes it much clearer where responsibility lay” https://twitter.com/CelticResearch/status/1067409263939776513/photo/1
4. Given the crushing which we all knew happened pre-match, there was a rush from the police to release a statement stating that safety was of paramount importance in their policing of the game.
However their document reveals a contradiction & the evolution of their statement.. https://twitter.com/CelticResearch/status/1067409267244875783/photo/1
5. They are very much aware of the view among many who attend football that their focus in terms of their PRIMARY responsibility for crowd safety is missing..
“reinforces the view that we were inordinately occupied with preventing and detecting crime” https://twitter.com/CelticResearch/status/1067409269853757442/photo/1
6. The fact that it is the police themselves who are reviewing policing at Scottish football, gives this match-going fan no faith that the fundamental shift in attitudes required in policing football, will happen anytime soon.
These documents support very much support my view
7. This is a merely an extract from one document among many but others are as just as damning (such as the blame being laid at the door of Celtic players for celebrating a win).
8. Whilst this policing attitude is not unique to us, we seem to have a particular issue here with Police Scotland, not helped by the skewed political focus on football, still evident even after the repeal of OBFA.
This is a failure of policing actively encouraged by politicians
@dkirwan68 @paddyhoey Obvious parallels with the immediate need of the police to change the narrative and deflect responsibility.
Not solely around football, but media compliance and press contacts make us such an easy target.
Still.
If we ever got into financial trouble (God forbid) – can anyone imagine Dave King coming out and proclaiming to the MSM that Celtic are a great club with a proud history and that Scotland needs a strong Celtic? Rhetorical question – we all know the answer – will never understand why he done that.
So if Celtic do decide to take the 800 allocation, what will the criteria be for getting a ticket? Surely they can’t let woman & children go anywhere near that environment. So, men only, good at fighting, be willing to get arrested,… any other suggestions?
I really do hope Celtic tell them to GTF…?
Niece was visiting just there.
She says stivs I forgot to tell you I am going to Norway.
That’s good I say. You going to see Santa and the northern lights.
Eh nawe. With my boyfriend and the green brigade.
They grow up so fast.
Rock tree bhoy
Hi mate.hope your good.i know DD came out and said that after david Murray’s cheating hun was shat out for the world to see.question is does DD speak for Celtic? Imo nope.most certainly not..
Just my view.:-)
HH
Watching the AEK v Ajax game. Don’t know what the capacity of the ground is but it is sparsely populated.
The AEK board must really be disliked.