I have two significant concerns about Walter Smith’s comments yesterday. He spoke about the events which followed Rangers liquidation in 2012:
“There was no necessity for Rangers to be put down into the Third Division.
“That will always stay in Scottish football. There will be a bitterness in the Rangers ranks. It will be a massive motivation for the club. It would certainly be for me.
“How can they forget what happened to them? Nobody could forget that.”
I’ve spoken to people at Celtic about security concerns ahead of the weekend. The game itself will almost certainly pass off without incident, but what happens on the streets of Glasgow and surrounding towns is anyone’s guess.
You will hear nothing even close to inflammatory from Celtic, senior fans groups, or anyone who cares about the club’s fans and wellbeing. Justifying bitterness due to (mis)perceived persecution ahead of this fixture is inciteful. I’m astonished Smith said this.
On his subject matter, let me give you an alternative scenario:
Newco Rangers are parachuted straight into the Premier League, hundreds of creditors are abandoned, they have a full squad of players and are not a penny in debt. They would have been out signing players within minutes of registration (they even tried to sign a player while still in administration).
With Oldco having won the league accumulating debts they would never pay in 2009, 2010 and 2011, Newco, free of legacy financial commitments, would have an excellent chance of winning again in 2013 and beyond.
This plan was one strand of Craig Whyte’s lunacy and it would have killed Scottish football. Celtic, and others, would have been left to consider, do we pay these millions of debts, or liquidate and spend the money on players instead? I had this very conversation with a senior figure in the game in October 2011, when the realisation of what Whyte was planning became evident. Utter mayhem would have ensued.
The damage done to the Rangers brand of clubs by allowing Newco access only to the bottom tier was huge. It’s consequences are yet to be appreciated by most fans. Newco may never win a top flight league.
But the question was not whether to impose a trauma on ‘Rangers’ or allow everyone to carry on as we had before, this was not an option. It was whether to allow the existing rules and processes to stand, allow responsibility for the enormous mismanagement of Rangers to be carried primarily by Newco, and have other clubs deal with the fallout, with or without a ‘Rangers’ club in the league.
Whyte’s plan replicated what he’d done in other industries, but it would have devastated Celtic in particular. We were beaten for years on the field by a team who could not pay their bills or correctly register their players, then we would be beaten again as they walked away from debts without consequence, which is why I wrote this article in October 2011 on the Prepack route for Rangers Newco.
Pretty much all of what I wrote about in that article came to pass, it had to be stopped (and you’ll never know the key movers in doing so). Smith should consider if the boot was on the other foot, if he would be happy to allow his club to be subverted in the manner he suggests would be good enough for others. It was simply never an option.
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Just taking off over Paisley – Heathrow in an hour.
Marathon session yesterday – finally got some answers (mainly from Aulheid) – like ‘pulling teeth’ with others.
The ‘this is our blog , don’t dare say anything different clique’ try to silence, ganging-up with their abuse and vitriol – they can’t – they won’t – they never will.
Speak to all my ‘pals’ on Saturday!!!!!
Mr pastry
I never posted yesterday because your baiting of res12 was boring and spiteful,
Auldheid gave you answers so let’s move on from there and leave it until it raises its head again
Aye, Pastry, enjoy your flight and geez peace.
Bognor Bhoy
From last night.
Great result from Celtic Ladies. Beating the female forces of darkness 5-1. I am delighted to hear that this was their first game at Parkhead. Long overdue. Personally I think we could elevate the Ladies game by considering playing some of their games just before the men’s games. Especially in the better weather where the pitch should be in top condition.
The grubby cardigan’s latest comments remind me of the famous Hurricane. All wind and definitely a Bawbag.
Sometimes I’m baffled by the reasoning by some of our posters. When a supporter who backs our club to the hilt actually pays and goes to physically support our club is classed as a troll. Whereas ex supporters who say they will never be back and try to persuade others to adopt that harmful stand are lauded as inspirational .
Cliques are, well cliques.
HH. To all, especially to those who make the effort to pay and support our club.
Mr Pastry Flies Graveyard today.
MWD
We have a couple of hours peace, hopefully.
Cmon the HOOPS
Hamilton tim, Auldheid and the others being given grief: the real Celtic supporters on here have nothing but respect for you.
THE RESOLUTE MR PASTRY on 14TH APRIL 2016 7:57 AM
Hey, pal.
They`ll gang up on you irrespectve of the issue.
Because that`s the way they work.
All the wee backslappers .
Bereft of an original thought.
Clinging on to each other for common reassurance.
Courage , mon brave.
Incidentally. Hope we stick it to Walter`s huns on Sunday.
And how.
Green Pinata,
So you are vouching for MrPastry.., that you know him to be a Celtic supporter who pays to support the club ?
That would actually make a difference to a lot of the people who have no idea who he is.
oh and backing the board to the hilt is not the same as backing the club to the hilt an easy example to back this is how the hun have backed every board to the hilt, how did that turn out for the club ?
Imagine one had backed the club to the hilt in the early ninties?
Oh wait. I did. Stupid one…
MWD
Catching as I am in England. St.Stubs will tell biscuit you were asking after him the next time I see him at C P.
Almore, patkheadcumsalford, et al.
I just think of it I’m terms of the Saturday wrestling that was on ITV when I was wee. It’s a tag team contest and they’re out to entertain us and keep us occupied until the football results start coming in.
This work up here?
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GREENPINATA on 14TH APRIL 2016 8:37 AM
Ladies games on the park before the ” big game ” ?
Why not ?
Or maybe after , depending on turf conditions.
B.T.W. The cliques are entryists.
The shop floor trying to run the factory.
Far too many sensible Tims will prevent that nonsense.
Admittedly , they are still a nuisance.
On C.Q.N.
Canamalar
You know I back you guys to the hilt re res 12. If required, I would be happy to donate as nothing comes free. Maybe I’m just too trusting and take people’s word that they pay and go to games. I see no reason to doubt that.
I think that anybody who takes time to post on here while adhering to the standards expected by Paul 67 deserves our respect. Especially as I agree with many of his views.
As the great Jock Stein said Football without fans is nothing. Which I totally agree with.
HH.
Dharma…,
I see what you mean
Did Boerrigter get a game for the ladies team yesterday?
Canamalar, you were definitely not implicated in my last comment
Green Pinata,
I never asked about res12 but thanks for the vote of confidence anyway.
What I asked was do you know MrPastry and can vouch for his claims regardless of his operating within the rules ?
Your answer is no, thanks for that reply.
I asked if you understood the difference between backing the club to the hilt and backing the board to the hilt with what I consider to be the most obvious evidence to date, you completely avoided that, why ?
This is 2016, the huns died and we are top of the league. We have every chance of a double and we had 50k crowd for a stupid KO time live on the telly game. The Celtic way is magical, and we have a modern stadium. I get regular updates via e -mail from the club and Celtic and the Celtic foundation provide more for charity that at any time in our history. Our young supporters can take positions down the front without the need for painted crash helmets. Etc, etc etc.
Nothing like circumstances in the early 90’s.
Of course there is always room for improvement but we are generally a well run club
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We’re Beginnin’ Tae Regret That We Contributed Tae The Framing O’ Res.#12…
By Translatin’ It Fae The Ancient Canamalar-ese Capuchin Lingo…
Intae The Queen’s Own English….
O Me Miserum….!
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Macjay….
Never A Truer Word Spoken !
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Canamalar
I refer you to the post above.
HH.
GREENPINATA on 14TH APRIL 2016 9:09 AM
YEP.
Dead right.
Y Not
I thought the same when I saw a similar article. There would, of course, be a great shortage of neutral referees available here……..or an outbreak of referees who have been lifelong fans of wee clubs!
JJ
PS You really must learn to Copy and Paste the relevant part of these links 0:-)
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Peepul like wallturd don’t give any consideration at all to the consequences of their bitter / bigoted rants …. which is a sad indictment on a small element of Scottish Society…. mke no mistake, the hate-filled hordes will lap this up ….. they will be foaming at the mouth
….and why is this all being allowed to happen …… Why is a dead club being replaced by a tribute act. ….. MONEY, AND NO OTHER REASON
THE DONALD on 14TH APRIL 2016 9:11 AM
G`day, mate.
Gathering the Sydney Young Team together for an early evening assault on downtown Sydney Cheers bar with an earlier repast in China Town.
“They can stick their orange banners ………
Et cetera
SydneyTim….wherefore art thou….?
Ah, the eagle walks among us!
Some posters, some of the time, share views with other posters. This does not make those posters members of a clique. To continue to call them so is divisive ( as is the use of `troll` although, occasionally, that is more understandable!!).
If anyone wants to be negative, I would suggest that the MSSM,the SFa, Doncaster, Regan etc afford plenty of opportunity to satisfy the need.
JJ
LIONROARS67 on 14TH APRIL 2016 9:15 AM
Very interesting.
I`d love to feel sympathy for the tax evaders.
On the other hand, stuff them.
Is it the case that The Donald, Macjay and Mr. Pastry are a clique who gang up on you irrespectve of the issue, who are all wee backslappers, bereft of an original thought, clinging on to each other for common reassurance because that`s the way they work?
Or do the rules not apply there?
For what it’s worth, I thought Mr. Pastry was clearly guilty of obfuscation and raising red herrings, ignoring clear answers and diminishing a genuine complaint as a “bit of to and fro”, in short, trolling behaviour.
I arrived at that conclusion without reference to any other poster’s opinion, without waiting to see who was on my side and without waiting to see if they had the same political opinions as I have.
The clique accusation is a tiresome and childish jibe by posters who cannot justify their own point.
Sometimes your viewpoint is rejected, not because of prejudice and bias, but because your point was badly made, inconsistent and repetitive.
Sometimes, it;s just you!
(and, on occasion, me too, for clarity)
JUNGLE JIM HOT SMOKED on 14TH APRIL 2016 9:23 AM
Some posters collectively play the poster not the post.
Is that cliquish?
HH.
JUNGLE JIM HOT SMOKED on 14TH APRIL 2016 9:23 AM
Very fair point.
PARKHEADCUMSALFORD on 14TH APRIL 2016 8:45 AM
Hamilton tim, Auldheid and the others being given grief: the real Celtic supporters on here have nothing but respect for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Anyone giving these Ghuys grief on here are either hunlurkers or dopes ….oh, wait sorry, same thing
67Heaven
Whilst totally agreeing that Smith`s comments deserve strong censure, they provide one consolation. When we call Huns `bitter` we have a good reference point 0:-)
JJ
SFTB
There is no doubt there is a childish clique.
Maybe even the biggest clique.
Childishcliquemembercsc.
BBC site reporting the English FA have removed refferee Kevin Friend from Spurs v Stoke game because Mr Friend supports Leicester and has been to a few of their games
Now I think that makes sense – a sensible decision by the English FA on behalf of the teams and the ref
But it will never happen in Scotland !!!!
67ECW
67HEAVEN .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I AM WEE OSCAR…… IPOX BELONGS TO THE CREDITORS on 14TH APRIL 2016 9:28 AM
Are you saying these guys are never wrong. Because that is some pedestal you have put them on.
Nobody should be untouchable or unquestionable on CQN.
All posters should be equal, and no poster should be more equal than others.
Imo of course.
HH.