I have two significant concerns about Walter Smith’s comments yesterday. He spoke about the events which followed Rangers liquidation in 2012:
“There was no necessity for Rangers to be put down into the Third Division.
“That will always stay in Scottish football. There will be a bitterness in the Rangers ranks. It will be a massive motivation for the club. It would certainly be for me.
“How can they forget what happened to them? Nobody could forget that.”
I’ve spoken to people at Celtic about security concerns ahead of the weekend. The game itself will almost certainly pass off without incident, but what happens on the streets of Glasgow and surrounding towns is anyone’s guess.
You will hear nothing even close to inflammatory from Celtic, senior fans groups, or anyone who cares about the club’s fans and wellbeing. Justifying bitterness due to (mis)perceived persecution ahead of this fixture is inciteful. I’m astonished Smith said this.
On his subject matter, let me give you an alternative scenario:
Newco Rangers are parachuted straight into the Premier League, hundreds of creditors are abandoned, they have a full squad of players and are not a penny in debt. They would have been out signing players within minutes of registration (they even tried to sign a player while still in administration).
With Oldco having won the league accumulating debts they would never pay in 2009, 2010 and 2011, Newco, free of legacy financial commitments, would have an excellent chance of winning again in 2013 and beyond.
This plan was one strand of Craig Whyte’s lunacy and it would have killed Scottish football. Celtic, and others, would have been left to consider, do we pay these millions of debts, or liquidate and spend the money on players instead? I had this very conversation with a senior figure in the game in October 2011, when the realisation of what Whyte was planning became evident. Utter mayhem would have ensued.
The damage done to the Rangers brand of clubs by allowing Newco access only to the bottom tier was huge. It’s consequences are yet to be appreciated by most fans. Newco may never win a top flight league.
But the question was not whether to impose a trauma on ‘Rangers’ or allow everyone to carry on as we had before, this was not an option. It was whether to allow the existing rules and processes to stand, allow responsibility for the enormous mismanagement of Rangers to be carried primarily by Newco, and have other clubs deal with the fallout, with or without a ‘Rangers’ club in the league.
Whyte’s plan replicated what he’d done in other industries, but it would have devastated Celtic in particular. We were beaten for years on the field by a team who could not pay their bills or correctly register their players, then we would be beaten again as they walked away from debts without consequence, which is why I wrote this article in October 2011 on the Prepack route for Rangers Newco.
Pretty much all of what I wrote about in that article came to pass, it had to be stopped (and you’ll never know the key movers in doing so). Smith should consider if the boot was on the other foot, if he would be happy to allow his club to be subverted in the manner he suggests would be good enough for others. It was simply never an option.
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Geordie
Not showing a film is completely different, there’s such a thing as copyright. And as for the Thomson story , that’s total bollox he would get his arse kicked all over lennoxtown
Masty
Thought that would be your reply!
Masty
There was a feature in the Herald the other day about it. License holders had received letters and in some cases visits warning them of the ‘danger’ of acting in a way that might breach laws and regulations.
PS bud you should be okay cos if you’re still waiting for Easter 2016 you’ve kinda missed it!!
HH jamesgang
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 13TH APRIL 2016 6:40 PM
Kenny Miller will be the only player in the semi final to have played for all three “Old Firm” sides
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Definitely using that one in work tomorrow. :))☘☘
Ht
Am I getting this right? London rd was told not to celebrate Easter?
Masty
Yep that was one that was mentioned.
A local joiner, after a brief sojourn in the US, ventured intae the home building business, joiner is the key word here, and within 40 years his company employed over 2,000 workers, built 40,000+ houses and made him a multi millionaire. A brief tour of his sites indicated at the grass level an array of Celtic tammies and scarves.
Nothing unusual there for an industry that employed more than its share of Dhún na nGall mhen and their offspring. The Irish Diaspora was alive and well amid the sand and cement in the West of Scotland.
However, this was not Wimpey, Cruden, MDW or other such building giants, this was a company founded during the infancy of the apartheid programme at a Glasgow organisation set up by primrose ure and the lonesome boatman, and not just shipbuilding, on the south side of the toon.
In 1963, the Govanhill born owner, whose company rebuilt much of war torn Tim town Clydebank, achieved his lifetime dream of chairman at a club that would not hire the same clientele as his company.
It has also often been rumoured that one of his granddaughters was a boarder at Notre Dame Convent School in Dumbarton and he would allegedly drop in on his way to the job site in Cragendoran. More faces than the Singers clock.
During his 10-year reign as chairman until 1973 when he retired due to ill health, he saw some of the finest moments in the club’s history, including the winning of the ECWC in 1972 against a communist club in Franco Spain incidentally, but also the worst the stairwell disaster in 1971.
His retirement was filled with controversy as his chosen successor, who had built up the highly successful pools providing thousands of pounds for the development fund including half a million to start their own social club with a membership of 20,000 follow followers, lasted only 17 minutes in the position when it was discovered that he had the temerity to marry “one of them” 40 years earlier in a CoS ceremony even though she had passed away shortly after the war.
A sad and broken man walked away moving out to the country to live where he eventually remarried a lady called Theresa, yes another “one of them”, providing the happiness denied him by a haulage contractor and his cronies.
Four years later the former chairman, but still the largest shareholder, passed away and his estate, including 1 million shares at sectarian fc, was left to his grandson who lived in Nevada, he was unanimously elected vice-chairman succeeding a former player and manager who whilst “working” as a journalist had engineered the removal of the then manager to be replaced by himself.
In 1985 after acquiring more shares he then put 2 of his cohorts on the board including the CEO of his grandfathers’ construction company. This was to be the catalyst that would finally end the club his grandfather had built 27 years later.
His first act in resurrecting not so much a sleeping giant but a collapsed dinosaur was the hiring of an arrogant former Liverpool player, with no managerial experience, as player manager. Unlike the ould chairman some people are better at building houses than running fitba teams.
Now let’s be cognizant of who holmes had brought tae the Scottish game. As a youngster he almost signed for us that is until former jambo captain and White Hart Lane legend Dave Mackay got wind of it and persuaded one of the nice guys in the game to bring him south. We dodged a bullet there.
Five years later, after only one sub appearance and a loan spell at Montreal, Bill Nick by this time peeved off at the underachieving youngster telling him he was the best player at the club sold him to Middlesboro for the paltry fee of 30 grand.
His career then took off under Jack Charlton and a former Lisbon Lion who mentored him. Now after spells at Anfield and Genoa (not exactly Serie A highflyers) he relocated to sunny Govan.
Now we are all aware of his tackle on the Steau player that Archie haircut was sure he should be off the park for and his breaking of Siggi Jonsson’s leg, this was also a player that in the 80’s Denis Law refused to name him in the top 6 post war Mersey side as he couldn’t chose a player who deliberately went out to maim other professionals’
That sir furious refused to play against Uruguay in a must win game at Mexico 86, even tough he was now with the currents, for fear of any consequences his tenacity would ensure.
That after a game where he marauded about the midfield against the Old Trafford side, on the return fixture within minutes the gap toothed striker in the Red Devils team ran across the park, in cooper/Charlie Nick style, and took care of him, after that he went intae hiding, some hard man more like a bully as George McCluskey and Billy Stark will attest to.
On his arrival in Glasgow he set about throwing money about like a man with no arms signing such luminaries as west, roberts, phillips, woods, kirkwood, hamilton, cohen, mcgregor and falco.
He also tapped up the Arabs player/coach as his assistant, a nobody as a player who in between stints at Tannadice had a brief spell at Boghead. Unlike us and TB/kilmasonic and similar tae his walking out on his country this was kept secret, only in Scotland.
This is the same bitter twisted individual that now berates the club that gave him, an average player, the opportunity in the game, not only that, after injury slowed down the pitiful career he had a coaching position. He watched on the sidelines as his former club were cheated numerous times, especially by the bouncy bouncy baptie mitb as well as the dying owner being denied a trophy in his final days.
In his first 3 years the beast had an expenditure of 8.75m with an income of 2.695m leaving a loss of 6.6m, we were almost closed down almost 6 years later for less. Administration was looming and so the club were up for sale.
On his return back north the beast in his arrogance set about trying to infiltrate the higher echelons in the nation’s capital, this was a no go as they have much more character than a jumped up “new” tory, so he set his sights lower and befriended an Ayrshire scrap and metal dealer.
Much to the disdain of the beast marlboro was ready to close a deal with Maxwell, ironically another nautical adventurist, taking over at the bigot dome and so set in motion the moves which would see the ayr academy rugby supporter, who had been hunted by his home town club, assume the ownership of the financially strapped club. The Mirror Group and the “Honest Men” dodged a bullet there.
The purchase fee has been recorded as 6m, however rumour has it that no money actually changed hands and bader, sorry the bank that almost sent us intae oblivion, took over the hun debt.
Incidentally, by the time bader and the beast had their tiff, with the latter leaving without his promised shares, sourpuss had spent a further 7.35m with an income of only 4.175m, taking his overall expenditure to 16.105m against an income of 5.870m leaving a negative balance of 10.235m. Nae wonder they resorted tae cheating and ebts.
So at the end of the day, the beast, naesurname, mcsleekit and steptoe are the reason we are the most successful club in Scottish football.
And the film incident was also ‘dealt with’ using the license approach. If memory serves it was a church hall that was deemed to be the location of this threat to national security.
HH jamesgang
Masty
There were warned to be careful as to how to mark the anniversary at Easter…….
HH jamesgang
Let’s face it, the majority on the Res 12 bandwagon don’t want a full and complete explanation on what actually happened.
What happened was some sort of a ‘toing and froing’ between the SFA and Rangers – we all know that.
Rangers are dead and the SFA wil explain it away – we all know that too.
What the ‘bandwagon’ passengers REALLY want of course, is some proof or fingerprint that points to culpability on the part of the Celtic board – if they get something, however tenuous- they will use it in their malicious, political and boring campaign of traducement of Peter Lawwell and the Celtic board.
Jamesgang
The brazen never got any such letter, we had bands on all Easter Monday and most of the week, maybe they knew what we have told them don’t see many of the boozers in the calton, govan or garngad taking a telling either
Canamalar,
Fair do’s. I admit to not paying much attention at the time. I don’t mind the odd rebel choon now and again but I take little interest in it other than that.
But on having a scour of the internet just now it appears bars were warned about displaying sectarian flags or posters.
No one was warned not to celebrate the event.
HH
Got to giggle at all this pish with glasgows finest and their vieled threats, whilst the local scum are marching past humpdump at half ten on Sunday
Geordie
Honest question, HONEST! What’s a sectarian flag?
James Forrest
If you are around, noticed you have been blogging re the absence of Scott Allan from the first team squad and his very limited number of chances this season.
I asked a coach last week about this and was advised that he’d been guilty of losing possession too often on Development Squad games and that is being coached out of him at the moment. Like Leigh Griffiths, Scott will have to step up to the mark to earn his place in the Celtic first eleven. He knows what he has to do and he is working on it.
One for next season and hopefully a better player too. Ronny sets pretty high standards.
How did the Development Squad do this season?
Masty,
Dunno.
Here’s a bactrian one thought:)
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_x3YBofVUADM%2FTQ_kXYc2WGI%2FAAAAAAAACh8%2FJoHR9Q1qkmg%2Fs1600%2F800px-Flag_of_Chelyabinsk_Oblast.svg.png&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzebratigerfish.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F12%2Frussian-fraternal-twin-flags-pt-19.html&docid=lXd_HyVG0AweIM&tbnid=XD__UYa9ZkNCkM%3A&w=800&h=533&client=ms-android-sonymobile&ved=0ahUKEwi4wNPloIzMAhWCsxQKHTCYDyMQMwgfKAQwBA&iact=mrc&uact=8
Masty
You made me chuckle!
Thank you. Keep it lit!
HH jamesgang
blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on 13th April 2016 6:42 pm
Glass two thirds
Do you not come out of administration to enter liquidation ??
:-))
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Only if you become a holding company!
WC,
Sounds very reassuring as to next season. If Scott Allan develops like Leigh Griffiths (and, imo, he’s a much better football player), we will have some player in our team.
Masty,
Seriously though. I’ve no idea.
http://irishpost.co.uk/glasgow-pubs-warned-against-sectarian-activity-ahead-of-easter-rising-centenary-events/
Here’s an article on the subject though.
Two things about it.
1, it appears non of the two bar owners appear to have received any warnings although they have ‘heard’ about it.
2, The guy who says they won’t celebrate 1916 cos protestants drink in his bar….cringe.
HH
Evening Celts
Bhoys…dont waste your time explaining Res 12 to someone who deliberately refuses to understand.
Like ive said many a time…more plants on CQN than there is in the Botanic Gardens.
Those who refuse to understand….ignore them.
HH
Oh, I was one of those who was genuinely asking about this Forrester. I take it he plays for thon team in Govan. I don’t follow them so I really don’t know their players. Is he a forward?
good point p67 about safety – there may well be a relearning of scum behaviour
He writes books about naval warfare.
GREENMAN@7:42 – wonder when you join in – tell me this :
What is it ultimate aim of the Resolution?
EXACTLY what unequivical proof is on the record?
What does that proof say?
Now I know you won’t answer – what I”ll get is a load of name-calling and vitriol – go on surprise me!!!
Philbhoy,
They’re dead good reads, so they are.
PHILBHOY
Believe that sevco lad is also a dab hand at chopping trees:)
HH
The green Man,
Here’s a pic of the sevco wonder kid.
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Forig15.deviantart.net%2Ff08a%2Ff%2F2013%2F157%2Ff%2F8%2Fthe_lumberjack_by_brutebysimon-d681i94.png&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deviantart.com%2Fmorelikethis%2F376304296&docid=95sOgzfI7AQj1M&tbnid=znOiib46owpwyM%3A&w=500&h=616&client=ms-android-sonymobile&ved=0ahUKEwiB4YuWpIzMAhVCtBQKHeRDAPoQMwgbKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8
:))
Hairyforester csc
Mr Pastry
Surprise you.
That wouldnt be difficult:)
Anyway…Res 12, you refuse to understand.
Canamalar and Auldheid have answered all your questions…..you are either daft, or at it.
HH
Patsy..,
I’m now begining to think you have literacy issues, the exact point of the resolution is written as a resolution it’s impossible to miss it unless you have problems with literacy.
The other information you have aske TGM to provide has been provided for you by Auldheid so why are you asking someone involved only as a supporter when you have been provided with all the info you asked for and still refuse to accept it, what was the point of that, really I am interested to know.
HAMILTONTIM@7:05 – What inaccurate points did you correct.
There could only have been a hal-hearted emply threat by Fergus to sue the SFA – the consequences effectively ruled it out – so is an empty threat proof?
Why do people like you and Jamesgang always run to their pals for back-up?- cannot you be an individual and argue point for point – it’s puerile and primary school behaviour.
Pompous prick
Geordie Munro
From the ridiculous…to the even more ridiculous:)
Im no doctor…but its seems that the sevco kid, is already well on the road to mental poisoning.
God help him:)
HH
CANAMALAR@7:57 Well why don’t you tell me the two answers – like I was a seven year old?
Evening Timland from a spring like hun free mountain valley.
Mr Pastry.
For an intelligent man and I believe you are, you really are thick, or at least act as if you are.
You are told the FACTS time after time, yet you ignore them cos they don’t fit in with your agenda, you introduce things to confuse the issue, things that have nothing to do with anything, but you use them to further your agenda, and try as I might, I must admit defeat, I have not a clue what your agenda is, if the truth be known I have ma doubts you know what your agenda is.
GREENMAN@7:57 – You don’t answer because as usual, you don’t have a ‘scooby’ LOL.
Mr Pastry
What has gone under repeated scrutiny by different people, some with legal and tax background is did RFC at 30 June have an overdue payable under Article 66 as proscibed in Annex VIII.
The answer is yes.
The next question is how or why was it not picked up.
That depends on knowing what RFC told UEFA in their submission under Art 66.
Now club licensing promises clubs confidentiality, so the SFA have hidden behind that in the past, certainly in response to early individual enquiries by supporters.
However the UEFA Club Financial Control Body have the authority and power to look at what they were told in June 2011 and ascertain if an overdue payable existed which is why the issue has to be investigated by them. It’s part of their role.
Now our expert advice might be wrong and no overdue payable as UEFA define it might in fact exist. We are betting, based on the scrutiny the rule has been put under, that the CFCB will conclude it did. If it didn’t the CFCB would have to explain why and point out something we missed. The reluctance to answer the questions put and indeed the multiple instances of keeping the true nature of the ebts that caused the bill from all authority and enquiry, supports the professional advice an overdue payable existed at 30 June.
In fact the documentation we have records just how RFC went about trying to circumvent Art66 in dealing with HMRC, who stood a better chance themselves of getting paid if RFC kept the licence. It also records how RFC were advised how to meet a further UEFA Article hurdle (Art67) that of itself contained a falsehood in the response.
So on a 99.9% (the 0.1% allowing for a Bryson interpretation) certain basis that an overdue payable as UEFA define one existed (and we know from the CAS ruling on a similar case involving Malaga the following year just how UEFA view such cases) the question is what did RFC say in their submission that caused UEFA not to ask questions, one of which would have been – can we see your future financial forecasts ( imagine that 8 months prior to administration) please.
Normally we would have no idea what that submission of 30 June said but last April a copy of a credible email surfaced that described what was shown on the submission.
What was shown was a) a significant change from the 31st March position under which the licence was granted and b) a falsehood of itself an observation which is also supported by other documentation.
Now you know why no one is keen to answer the bell. I mean is that gun smoking or what?
In fairness to all parties it’s not often something of this magnitude arises and so no capacity existed to deal with it.
Res12 has had to build that capacity as it chunterred along.
In any other industry this of itself would be a major concern,but not Scottish football- and they wonder why it’s losing support.
One last muse. Had Malmo exited the CL but SO’s turned up a week or two later at Ibrox, there would have been no need for Res12. I don’t know the Swedish equivalent. However had Malmo been beaten the taxman might have halted collection proceedings…….
Now somebody answer the bell.
TONTINE TIM @ 7 27.
Souness
Right city but wrong team .He didn’t play for Genoa , he played for Sampdoria .He left with 1 Cup Winners medal.
La Gazzetta dello Sport marked his departure thus –
” a good player but nowhere near as good as he thought he was “