Roy Keane’s “Celtic wanted me but they weren’t showing how much they wanted me” comment in his second autobiography about being courted to replace Neil Lennon as our manager in the summer is no doubt accurate on one level, but inaccurate on another. Some within Celtic certainly wanted him, but I’m sure the reticence he picked up (and was shared by many of us on the blog at the time) was also very real. Celtic wanted him, but their approach showed him how unconvinced they were.
Keane’s managerial CV is at best considered patchy and his reputation has sold more autobiographies of former team-mates and managers than the two volumes he has now published. Few were convinced he was the right manager for the job, although I’ve no doubt Keane’s claim that Dermot Desmond wanted him, and told him “The job is yours” is accurate, whether anyone else at Celtic was in on the plan or not.
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I mind when Roy Keane gave us £1m for Ross Wallace and Stan Varga. Incredible cash for those two at that time.
LB
jamesgang
Needed to call it a night last night and didn’t get into the Denayer midfield possibilities.
He is a wee bit smaller than the stature of my idea of a central defender although some amazing players that were smaller than him have played that position.
In the midfield though?
I think he would win a lot for us in the aerial battles that sometimes happen in there as well as using his natural competitive attributes on the ground.
He would be a big physical presence in midfield but he is more than that, because he can play as well.
He has the ability to drive past a man if he needs to or wants to and is very comfortable on the ball.
He is also still a teenager!
No teaching an old dog new tricks!
Maybe his inexperience in that position could be a problem at times but i think he has the discipline and temperament for it and i could see him being just like big Victor in that role.
Totally agree with you that his presence in the midfield would impact on Brown and Johansen.
The 2 of em will chase paper all day, harrying and harassing but neither of them are rocks.
Get a rock in there!
Kitalba,
With respect, your reply to Starry Plough could just as easily be directed to your statement
kitalba
If that was one of the issues that your post seems to suggest then why hasn’t he mentioned or maybe he did and I’ve missed it I don’t follow English football much.
Your emotional post about Neil’s treatment won’t be far away from the hearts of most on here but if Neil or Roy Keane want to take a shot at Celtic are we not allowed our opinions on that?
Then you have a pop at CQN’s finest, what’s that all about, do you believe apart from the obvious rubber room residents that some of us having a pop at Neil or Roy constitutes an anti Irish agenda on CQN?
Neil got a massive amount of support from the Celtic Family during his time at Celtic, did everyone like him I’m sure not, did everyone support him in his struggle against racism I’m pretty sure yes.
I’ve been on here all day and I haven’t seen anyone label Neil or Roy a coward..
The only person letting Roy Keane down is Roy Keane in my opinion.
Hail Hail
Dharma Bam:
Do you honestly think Roy Keane was unaware or did not condider the treatment that Neil Lennon was subjected to? It is hardly a quantom leap by me to assume he at least tossed it in his head for a moment or two at least. Asking me why he did not make it public, I could take a few guesses at that if you like.
The point of my post was like, many that have gone before it, balance and empathy if you can. The pressures on Roy Keane and his family if he had taken the job would have been severe. In the least.
starry plough:
Where did I say anywhere that any poster is entitled to there opinion, just like I am. They post what they want and I post what I want.
I didn’t say any poster labeled Neil Lennon a coward today. That’s not to say that such wasn’t the case on previous days however.
Thunder Road
I am not sure man City would be happy to see their future CB playing in midfield. Could be an option though.
LB
starry plough:
‘not entitled’ rather.
Most likely, yet conjecture at the end of the day.
You know it as certainly as you know the reasons why he didn’t come out and say it at the time i.e. you don’t
And why we are actually talking about Roy Keane seems such a distraction from objective disection of the wanting product that Celtic PLC are serving up at the moment.
Dharma Bam
I never said I DID.
LiviBhoy
Maybe they wouldn’t and only want him to get experience playing as a central defender and we would burn our bridges regarding getting the use of any others!
Perhaps it could also work out positively for them IF he was good in that area as well and it is still all game time and experience.
Livibhoy, I like Denayer but I’m not sure he’s projected to reach Man City first team class.
He tackles either side of an attacker and he sometimes stands a few yards further away than he should be. He has made a couple of mistakes like the one on Sunday now. Lustig is a more solid player but doesn’t offer the same attacking threat.
Having said that, I would take settling Denayer for another year knowing that VVD is due to go next year.
I’d go for 3 centre halves Virgil, Denayer & Efe, leaving any one of them free to foray into midfield as the situation demands. The key man to get back is Lustig, he is our best defender and will greatly solidify the entire defensive unit.
Kitalba,
It appears to me that you were theorising/conjecturing in your original post, regardless of how accurate your theorising was.
Starry Plough asked you why Roy Keane didn’t come out and say so (i.e. your theories) at the time.
You asked Starry Plough “how could you answer that”
You couldn’t answer, giving reasons why Roy Keane didn’t say what you thought was going on in his head simply down to the fact that you don’t know what was going on his head.
Could you give an answer as to his actual thoughts, either?
Roy Keane? I would rather have given the managers job to Mr Rumbold.
markiebhoy
15:16 on
7 October, 2014
Roy Keane? I would rather have given the managers job to Mr Rumbold.
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I think we did.
Kit alba, its clear that Roy Keane was just another dalliance from Dermot. Another fumble in the dark that made the recipient and the giver feel special much the same as previous fumbles with kinnear and Oleary. None of them up to the job but fitted Double dS profile.
Keane wouldn’t come for the money thankfully because the rest of the board wanted other candidates.
I don’t believe Ronny was the only foreign slightly out of the blue coach we considered.
Keane said it himself. We told him we wanted him but we didn’t show it enough. Probably because he was Desmond’s pick and not the rest of the boards.
Which is fine by me. I question the temperament of a guy who describes himself as having a self-destruct button.
Deila so far hasn’t shined as the alternative but I do like his attitude towards diet. I see the youths (the ones who turn up at least) drinking coke and eating pizzas or chips at Celtic Park and you wonder how so few make it through. Needs to change.
That said, good to see Liam Henderson scoring for Scotland again. Deserves his chance in the team if you ask me. Cannot say I am a massive fan of McGreggor but at Celtic we only seem willing to play youngsters on the wing. We don’t have the guts to give them a chance in the boiler room.
I can see us putting a run together over the Christmas period. We have a lot of games in November and December but I see that as an opportunity. Momentum during this period defines a season. It turned it round for Strachan and Lennon after dodgy starts.
markiebhoy
or even Mrs Slocombe. With her pussy as assistant manager perhaps?
corkcelt
A big part of what has been wrong so far this season is that Ronny Delia has tried to play a system without the players to do so.
As you say…..we do have the players to players to play with 3 at the back.
Perhaps that change would mean Brown and Johansen(1st choices right now)could stay more central and fill up that void that lies where a midfield should!
kitalba
Fair enough..seems that the trials that Neil suffered are not the issue here, whether Neil should be talking to the press or not would be more accurate for me, I’m a little bit disappointed in Neil’s attitude to the club since he left, clear the air and get it all on the table if possible rather than wee bits here and there.
Roy Keane as far as I am concerned has little or nothing do with Celtic so I’m not fussed either way what he has to say.
By the way we’ve been talking about nothing else on here but the poor fare served up so far this season, the Roy Keane topic came up as he was in the press today..
Hail Hail
SP
We’ll never know the full in and outs of why Roy Keane didn’t become the Celtic manager, when he was ‘offered’ the job.
We do not know the full extent of the “too many restrictions that were put in place” in the contract, for a start.
What we do know is he’s written a few lines in a book, and he asked Peter Lawell what the salary was, and he then he said no thanks, ( according to Keane )
Roy Keane was never going to uproot his family from leafy Cheshire, and it was even mooted whilst we waited he’d be based in Edinburgh and commute a la Luigi Macari or Blessed Martin.
The ‘ball park figure’ offered may even have had residential implications or restrictions, we shall never know. Even if you believe Roy Keane the money offered wasn’t worth the aggro, and he didn’t like the non negotiable Much more animated than RD, but arguably even less qualified.
Nobody has ever been offered the Celtic job and not taken it, according to Celtic that is.
A mere distraction on how RD fares in Ross County, at home to Kilmarnock and then Inverness.
I think Keane would have done OK as Manager and with Ronny at No.2 it could have worked well. Keane is often portrayed as a lunatic but he is anything but. He would certainly have bought into Ronny’s diet & fitness programme, he would have capabilities of attracting decent players. There would be no slackers or anyone hiding on the field, together they could have been a formidable team. However like the starry/kitalba debate its in the realms of conjecture and there is no right or wrong answer, it didn’t happen and we’ll never know. We have what we have and no matter how we rant on here, what will happen will happen. The fact that we have to wait so long for our next game means we have nothing to do but rant, so rant away but don’t take yourselves too seriously.
I have my doubts about Ronny as I had with Neil Francis and to many others to name:))
But we as the fans at this moment in time (IMHO) need to get behind the team try and drag them round the corner and over the winning line,and then as Auldheid is known to say “We’ll see”
Sent this text to a mate a couple of years ago and he just sent it back to me :)))
For every high there is a low and for every disappointment there is a momentof sheer joy….
We have been through much worse periods than the current one,and what didn’t kill us only made us stronger…
It’s easy to stand strong when the champagne is flowing, but the real measure of the man is to be found in moments of adversity….
Feelgood factors,success,results,players managers,custodians and every other facet of the club come and go.
Being a Celtic fan is for life ,were the one constant in the clubs existence,Its very lifeblood and its living breathing heartbeat.
From cradle to grave,
win lose or draw,I’m a Celtic fan.
I was born one ,I live as one ,and I fully intend to die as one .
I was a Tim yesterday and I will be a Tim tomorrow.
In between it’s an Honour and a privilege to be part of one of the greatest footballing institutions on earth.
Hail Hail
IcanonlydomybitCSC
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Dharma Bam:
Roy Keane would have had to’ve been on the moon not to be aware of the hassles that Neil Lennon went through. Nobody takes any job without considering the hassle inherant in the post. Nobody with a brain anyway and I don’t think Roy Keane is thick. Of course what I wrote was conjecture but it was reasonable conjecture based on past events. Asking me why he didn’t mention it, who really cares. I don’t, I’m more worried about how quickly people are to slate him and Neil Lennon and find every reason to prop up what appears to be a flounderer in situ.
Perspective and priorities.
Stary:
I seldom come here of late. It is not quite what it used to be and I don’t have the time or the interest of late.
I was told by a very reliable source who currently plays in the EPL that Roy Keane turned the Celtic job because Peter Lawwell forgot his birthday.
Canny buleeve that!
We cooda hid big Roy fur the price ae a burthday kerd.
Oh, and a handshake.
The board really are useless!!
leftclicktic
well said
HH
If Roy falls out with MON then I wouldn’t mind a seat at the table of that argument!
LB
leftclicktic
You should post that every day!!
Terrific stuff!
kitalba
Nothing is quite what it used to be Kitalba:)) there’s a lot of good stuff still here may require more sifting but it’s there.
Always good to see you round the way as they say.
Hail Hail
Got to get the dinner on before ma weans eat each other..
leftclicktic
Post of the day…
Please can we stop feeding the ego of the man who has absolutely nothing to do with Celtic. His only claim to fame is to have played for us when we were horsed out of the League Cup by the pride of Cumbernauld. He showed no appetite that day and disappeared over the horizon shortly afterwards.
He wants to sell books. He wants to be in the spotlight. He didn’t want to be Celtic manager, but was offered it apparently. But he wasn’t made to feel warm and cuddly enough. Just as well he didn’t take the job – ask Ronny how warm and cuddly he feels right now.
Keane loves Celtic so much that he embarrasses the club and the current Celtic manager just so that he can get some free publicity for his 2nd or is it 3rd biography.
Jeez. This is going to be a long international break.
Let’s talk about independence again – anything but this rubbish.
leftclicktic
best post I’ve read for a long time , take a bow sir, says exactly how I feel but put much more eloquently than I could have
Womb to the tomb :-)))))))))
HH
Fk Keane.He is history to us now.Why are we even discussing the man?.Only getting headlines because of RDs situation.The SMSM trying to heap more pressure on the man who IS our manager.Keane trying to sell more books.Ignore him.Support Ronnie.
Dharma Bam:
Actually mate, could you do me a favour and highlight which parts of my initial post were conjecture.
Keane is trying to flog another book. Take most of what he says is from his point of view on what he thinks was said or did – no proof anywhere. Lets get on with life at Celtic.