I’ve heard some utter tosh from politicians over the years but never anything so blatantly untrue as the comments from our First Minister, Alex Salmond, reported today. This clown is telling people Rangers need to be saved for the sake of Celtic. He said:
“The most diehard Celtic supporter understands that Celtic can’t prosper unless Rangers are there. The rest of the clubs understand that as well. Therefore you have to have cognisance of these things when you’re pursuing public policy.
Keep our name out of it you incoherent fool.
If our prosperity depends on the survival of Rangers it’s time our values and priorities changed. You of all people should know this after your lecturing last year. Celtic have not been well served by their association with Rangers, nor vice versa. As a combined entity, the ‘Old Firm’ have not been good for Scotland.
I’m keen to hear what his “public policy” on the matter is. Salmond goes on to say:
“We’ve certainly been arguing to HMRC on one hand, and indeed to Rangers, to for goodness sake get a settlement, get a settlement and a structure over time whereby Rangers can continue because Rangers must continue for the future of Scottish football and for the fabric of the country.”
How dare you argue with HMRC? Even Rangers admit the potential underpayment could be £75m. How many nurses, teachers and policemen would that employ, Mr Salmond? This is the true cost of his position.
This sorry business has nothing to do with Celtic, I hope our club make this clear to provocative politicians. All you die-hard Celtic supporters out there better let this man know he has no right to speak for you.
“Fabric of the country”. He got that bit right, alas.
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a Bit Fishy
Re RE post The Ulster Scot siege mentality so prevalent in the North of Ireland is alive and well in Scotland. The Protestant Establishment for a Protestant people are manning the walls of their ‘New Derry’ in readiness to repulse the Irish Catholic assault on their heritage. Cries of ‘No Surrender’ resound across the West of Scotland. In the halls of the Scots Parliament and Masonic lodges machinations of Machiavellian proportions are underway. The combined forces of the Scots media and government are mobilised to ensure that under no circumstances the law, morality, right and common sense are allowed to enter debate. The Ulster Scots lexicon of excuses is dusted off to defend the indefensible – Heritage, Culture, Society and of course failure to acknowledge any responsibility for their plight. The British public are being bombarded by a Pro Rangers propaganda blitz that Dr Goebbels would envy. Educated articulated dissent is ‘Verboten’. Dissidents are portrayed as irrational and openly dismissed as being motivated by hatred other voices are drowned out by the media openly calling them liars.
Economical with the truth, Eck
Boring re re posting i know but trying to get another podium – Sorry :-(
Good for Scotland… my erchie.
IF D Cousin is signed, which I doubt he will, I thought one of the stipulations of a team in admin was they can’t sign any players.
Please let it happen…..
Alex Salmond: ‘Rangers success in reaching the final of the Uefa Cup has been fabulous for the club and has enhanced Scotland’s reputation’
This is what the bed wetter just said, it’s his Richard Nixon moment…
Top ten..
Higher than the huns
Keep our name out of it you incoherent fool.
Quite possibly the best thing I have ever read on this site, and that is saying something.
Mort
starry plough says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:19
Somebody please ask him what the actions of it’s fans did for Scotland’s reputation?
Whats the chances of Salmond giving up on independence if Cameron writes off huns tax bill??
starry plough at 12:19
Yeah, I read that. The people of Manchester were really grateful they came down.
Mort
To the list of better/alternative uses that we could have put the 49nillion what about…
A list of companies/businesses in Scotland that have gone to the wall without the benefit of the Salmond SNP Save RFC type campaign
Peacocks, Glasgow, jobs lost 185
WJ Harte, Glasgow jobs lost 300+
(Others can correct me on these..)
Cmon guys, I’m in the States and I can startus off with two.
This will be another strategy to hammer nails into coffins, Salmond and them!!
Anyone?
HH
Paul
Very well said.
Very well said indeed.
Surely Salmond wouldn’t be so cynical as to use this opportunity to curry favour with the voting hun support, by supporting their disupute with the tax collector of the UK govt?
If he had the authority mibbes he would lose the tax bills in the same place he lost the sectarian crime stats.
Paul67 –
That is a terrific post.
I do hope Celtic make a statement on this matter just so as people elsewhere realise we are not buying into this crap.
You know what i read in Salmonds little rant there. . . FEAR
Paul67/et al
Rule Britannia supported by Scottish Nationalists in a fight against the British empires tax inspectorate who in its modern form were incorporated by King William of Orange in 1689.
It’s all gone a bit Pete Tong.
But it is funny.
MWD
The Ghood will … @ 11.15
1) Why the TFOD / why CW?
The TFOD are the perfect target for bottom feeders like CW.
It had a large pre 2002 floating charge.
He is then first in the queue and he can set the agenda with the administrator.
Strong cashflow wth multiple opportunities to manipulate it to your advantage.
All for the investment of £1 – perfect.
2) Ticketus deal
£24.4mill out to CW / TFOD.
£3mill back to Ticketus in June / July 2011.
It was supposed to be £9.5mill but CW renegotiated.
Became a 4 year deal instead of a 3 year deal.
Ticketus are surely not that stupid.
Consequently they must have some sort of security over the outstanding advance.
Looks to me as if the floating charge has been transferred over to Ticketus.
I think the floating aspect of the charge means that the figure can go up and down over time.
The other view is that the charge is not ‘fixed’ that is specific to a particular set of assets.
Consequently it might have been £18mill to LBG but it is now £30mill+ to Ticketus.
Total speculation on my part but Ticketus are not a charity.
Not sure how they work regarding RoR / interest rates.
From what we know 27K tickets = £9.5mill.
Possibly 24K tickets = £8.5mill plus ST inflation say a round £9.5mill?
Original deal for TFOD – £24.4mill in / £28.5mill out.
Paid in 3 instalments – 3 months / 15 months / 27 months.
Revised deal for TFOD – £24.4mill in / £38mill out.
Paid in 4 instalments – 3 months @ £3mill / 15 months / 27 months / 39 months.
Three equal instalments still outstanding at £11-12mill each?
Consequently if Ticketus are only in for an £18mill floating charge security they are going to lose out on the deal.
So to answer your question Ticketus are either – Stupid / got security / in on the scam.
Take your pick.
Finally any thoughts on who owns / runs Ticketus?
Spot on Paul67, well said! Have you forwarded it to UEFA?
This clown has immediately isolated at 60,000 votes in his quest for independence, but at the same time probably secured hundreds of thousands more by showing his support for the tax-dodgers.
Scotland, I fear, is doomed.
RalphWando:
Rangers employs just over 170 people. Including players and coaching staff.
I am unmoved by talk of a tragedy for the Scottish jobs market.
Also Paul is 100% correct Salmond, you DO NOT speak for me or my family. You DO NOT have the right to use my name and countless others for your agenda
Mort says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:22
You have to ask yourself what an independent Scotland would look like under a prancing self deluded incoherent fool like Salmmy to give him his proper name??
SP
Crazy talk from a crazy man Paul.
Truly shocking and if it came from some other countries leader it’d be all over the news as an example of how we wouldn’t sink that low.
Turns out we’ve sunk deeper than we could possibly imagine. I miss Scotland but when I hear nonsense like this it make me glad to be out in a country that doesn’t bail out banks and business, no wait, hold on…..
Beyond belief.
HH!
Mort says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:21
Keep our name out of it you incoherent fool.
Quite possibly the best thing I have ever read on this site, and that is saying something.
Mort
Mort
Agreed! Very well said Paul.
On another note Paul received my hard copy of the CQN magazine yesterday, superb work!
HH
Celtic needs Rangers? For what?
Is Salmond now against separation?
starry plough at 12:26
Thankfully I’m in Ireland and won’t have to deal with that should it come to pass.
Great day for him to be making statements like this when meeting David cameron to discuss independence.
Mort
This is it.
The political Establishment – fat Salmond,oily Cameron, Nicola, Shona, Margaret and the repellent rest of them are psyching themselves up to demand a public bail-out for, wait for it, THE GOOD OF THE GAME IN SCOTLAND.
In 1994 there wasn’t the remotest whisper in our defence from a single politician.
Why was that? Maybe we forgot to hold anti-Catholic rallies once a fortnight.
Repost from end of the previous thread…..
St Martin’s Bhoy says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:23
Paul et al.
My life is a mixture of sheer enjoyment and a wee bit of frustration at the moment. The enjoyment is self explanatory and you and many a fine poster on here are producing most of it. I’m also enjoying the sheer disbelief on the faces of some I work with and also those in the media that this is actually happening – despite the fact that most have been told for months and months that this would happen. I am the old McDonalds advert. I am loving it!
The frustration comes with the refusal to even begin to countenance the view that we, and the rest of Scottish Football, can not only exist but, in the longer term, prosper from this mess. “Rubbish”. “That’s nonsense”. “I don’t know how you can say that”. These all are responses I’ve heard. The Radio and TV wallers are no better with their constant ” they must survive” buffoonery. Please don’t get me started on the former players, not just ran*ers players, who are only to happy to join in.
However, I’m beginning to overcome this frustration by linking it back to my enjoyment. It’s the disbelief I’m enjoying. That disbelief was and is borne out of their refusal to listen. A refusal to listen to facts, cold hard facts. Not the rantings of madmen and women just cold hard facts.
Ernest Hemingway once said ” “I like to listen. I have learned a great deal from listening carefully. Most people never listen and thus, never learn.” Good old Ernest! How right you were then and are to this day.
THEY are going and I believe they are going fast. I was in contact with an esteemed friend (if I may be so bold!) this morning and, if I understand correctly, there was a consensus that any offer letters from Celtic re tickets for a game on March 25th may well be worth collecting. :-)
I’ve quoted Hemingway and I’ll finish by quoting Paul67 “Enjoy these days. Chill.”
Hail! Hail!
Everyone write to Scottish Ministers at scottish.ministers@scotland.gsi.gov.uk and make your point. It only takes a minute and doesn’t need a stamp.
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FSA today say remit to investigate #rangers finances lies with Plus Markets stock exchange, from which club’s shares are already suspended
On a lighter note regardless of what Salmmy the incoherent thinks, FSA investigation could be interesting should it come to pass..
Nice try to shred the paper trail, follow the money…
Lester Freamon CSC
Salmond is a hun pwick!
Taking care of his own kind, a Hertz fan so no surprise there!
HH
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Paul —–
Bang on .
Slightly changing what someone else said about somebody else ——
” if you gave Salmond an enema , you could bury him in a matchbox”
Some impromptu lyrics too.
Rangers in the sh*te, evading taxes
Blundering by the Whyte
What were the chances we’d be going bust
Before the week was through
And so on and so forth.
As someone who is a lifelong SNP supporter I have to say I am disgusted with this and if I had harbored ideas of returning to Scotland and an independent Scotland at that I have now got to think twice.
This is an affront to decency and the level of ignorance from a Hearts supporter about what goes on in Glasgow is staggering.
I think this is disgusting and the continual clamour we have seen from ALL politicians (not just the SNP) is nothing short of a disgrace.
Stealing from the taxpayer is alright
Denying people jobs by withholding tax is alright
But Rangers going out of business is bad for Scotland.
NO MR Salmond, one child in five living in poverty in Scotland is bad for Scotland and the plethora of other problems that exist in Scotland are bad for Scotland.
Giving a free pass to a bunch of cheats and cheats who are a lightning rod for bigotry and sectarianism is bad for Scotland.
You are signing your party’s own death certificate with this move and if that was the kind of Scotland you were hoping to build, you no longer have my support. I’d vote Tory before voting for you and folk that praise Sectarian atmospheres at cup finals again.
It saddens me greatly to say this because I do want Scotland to be an independent country as I believe in it but not if it will facilitate (as we know you cannot really) or support tax dodging which costs the country more than if a few thousand bigots have elsewhere to go on a Saturday.
To those on this blog who told me so, you told me so and you appear to have been right so if I offended anyone with my support for the SNP I apologize. I should have known better but I wanted to believe the 21st Century had truly dragged politics at least away from the tribalism of the football field. Well now I can see it and now I am deeply saddened.
I still believe in Independence but only with the right people in charge, not a party who are pandering to the lowest elements in our society.
Disillusioned.
Mort says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:21
“Keep our name out of it you incoherent fool.”
What better than the “Jobby” stuff?
James F, I agree and that is the essence of reminding those who would buy Salmonds nonsense, that these other jobs were lost withou a mumour of protest from Salmond.
That the cost of saving RFC shouldbe set against how the money owed could have been spent on real needs in Scotland.
And how the Save our RFC campaign and the 177 jobs involved should be set against the loss of so many other firms and jobs with no protest by Salmond.
In effect, we all know that this has nothing to do with jobs, and by exposing their sham for what it is, we isolate their real reasons.
Fear and loss of power.
HH