I’ve heard some utter tosh from politicians over the years but never anything so blatantly untrue as the comments from our First Minister, Alex Salmond, reported today. This clown is telling people Rangers need to be saved for the sake of Celtic. He said:
“The most diehard Celtic supporter understands that Celtic can’t prosper unless Rangers are there. The rest of the clubs understand that as well. Therefore you have to have cognisance of these things when you’re pursuing public policy.
Keep our name out of it you incoherent fool.
If our prosperity depends on the survival of Rangers it’s time our values and priorities changed. You of all people should know this after your lecturing last year. Celtic have not been well served by their association with Rangers, nor vice versa. As a combined entity, the ‘Old Firm’ have not been good for Scotland.
I’m keen to hear what his “public policy” on the matter is. Salmond goes on to say:
“We’ve certainly been arguing to HMRC on one hand, and indeed to Rangers, to for goodness sake get a settlement, get a settlement and a structure over time whereby Rangers can continue because Rangers must continue for the future of Scottish football and for the fabric of the country.”
How dare you argue with HMRC? Even Rangers admit the potential underpayment could be £75m. How many nurses, teachers and policemen would that employ, Mr Salmond? This is the true cost of his position.
This sorry business has nothing to do with Celtic, I hope our club make this clear to provocative politicians. All you die-hard Celtic supporters out there better let this man know he has no right to speak for you.
“Fabric of the country”. He got that bit right, alas.
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Point out the folly of Salmond’s position on facebook. Lot’s of ordinary taxpayers will be astonished at this.
HH
SIALF
People need to take a step back and see the game Alex Salmond is playing. He is envisioning his party’s line post ‘apocalypse’ – which will be that we need control of our own taxation to protect our national interests. The demise of rangers will be used as an example of this.
Mort says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:29
starry plough at 12:26
One good thing about an independent Scotland. Nobody needs to vote for the SNP anymore. We’ll have proper autonomous versions of the big 3, plus the minority parties eg the Greens and SNP can die.
It’s why Salmond is more keen on Devo Max. Keeps him in a job.
Mort / Gordon J et al
Value of Ibrox –
1) Liquidation = £10mill.
St M might have got £15mill for Love Street but Tesco / market is depressed.
Also there would be extra costs in demolishing the three Lego stands and saving the listed fascade.
Probably a bigger site but not sure where the nearest Tesco is – Silverburn?
Consequently not sure if Tesco would be fully interested.
2) Stadium for the TFOD = £56-70mill
Looking at £4-5mill pa rental and 7% RoR.
Not sure what a £30-40mill T/O company can afford to pay.
Not sure what percentage is good business to pay out on premises.
Would 12-14% be acceptable?
Just after the Uefa Final in Manchester which brought success to the country this was said :
A spokesman for Scottish First Minister, Alex Salmond said the Rangers fans involved had brought “shame to club and country”
So Salmmy which one is it Son??
Are we losing sight of things here? If Salmon is successful in getting HMRC to renegotiate its tax claim as he wants to act in the best interests of scottish football, does that mean that we will be getting a tax rebate or indeed the possiblity to pay less tax over a longer period of time?
Win Win situation.
£75m rebate for starters or no tax for the next say 10 years.
Good for Salmon, this new independant Scotland with its own tax generating powers will be brilliant.
Mort
Paul67
Well said,Paul.
Snake Plissken says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:32
Well said.
Email your comments to Alex Salmond at scottish.ministers@scotland.gsi.gov.uk and put FAO of Alex Salmond as the Subject.
Me and the bhoys are goin’ round to the Bank of England to steal £49M.
Alec Salmond is driving the getaway motor.
we will now be told that the BBC program crimewatch who had a montage of hunite faces that the manchester police wanted to question did`nt happen lol,manchester was`nt ransacked police officers did not get attacked or fear for their live ,was it all a dream eck lol hunbelievable , dont think i`ll pay my tax for the next few years if its good for tax dodgers fc is good for every body ,
Beautifully put, Paul.
Human pate Salmond morphing into Dingwall before our very eyes. The little slimeball better watch out where he oozes his fallicies.
A sham of a politician, nothing more than a vote-craving zeitgeist squawk-box whore.
Paul 67, All
Do we believe that the Celtic board should respond to Alex Salmond. A simple reiteration of PL’s ‘we don’t need Rangers’ in rebuttal of the SNP leader’s recent nonsense should suffice.
Will any Celtic supporter even consider voting for the SNP now!
“Rangers must continue for the future of Scottish football and for the fabric of the country.”
The fabric of the country? What does that actually mean? If it is meant to suggest that a bunch of bigoted tax cheats are typical of Scotland then there are a hell of a lot of Scots who should be objecting.
Salmond doesn’t want anything Scottish to die. It looks bad for him and his vision of independence. But I’m sure he also has one eye on his own club. Any precedent of deals over indebted football clubs can be seen as good for Hearts.
well done paul . ” thats what i was trying to say ”
jimtim
Alex Salmond being the intellectual giant that he is probably has more concerns about the baby huns getting the 800k fram the Admin huns for Lee Wallace.
Imagine an independence vote for Scotland taking place against the backdrop of a UK team and a UK league ?
Is this what Cameron might threaten Jamboe Eck with ?
If I was Cameron I would go with it
Hail Hail
Paul67
Usually only post when I want to give smashinmilkbottles a hard time….but….a wee request…..see when you answer questions….particularly en bloc, would it be possible to copy and paste the questions then provide your answer…..your answers always look interesting but trying to scroll back to find the question(s) can take some time….thanks in advance.
Now….can’t break the habit of a lifetime……smashy before you come on spoutin rubbish as usual…let me save some time…..you’re spoutin rubbish as usual….ahhhh…that feels better
Fifa does not allow Government interference in football matters. Does this mean the ‘New’ or ‘Old’ Rangers can/should be banned from Europe ?
Egypt football federation president, board resign
By AP February 5, 2012, 1:16 pm
CAIRO: The president of the Egyptian Football Association and his board of directors all resigned on Saturday having already been fired by the country’s prime minister following the riot at a game that left more than 70 people dead.
Samir Zaher, the EFA president, was also reportedly banned from leaving Egypt pending an investigation into the country’s worst incident of football-related violence.
Zaher and his board said they had “collectively resigned” in a statement. They were fired by Egypt Prime Minister Kamal El-Ganzoury on Thursday following the deadly stadium clashes in a move that could have been seen as government interference, which is not allowed by world football body FIFA.
Saturday’s decision to resign will likely be accepted by FIFA.
Paul67 – Spot on.
Imagine what a clammy, claustrophobic little place Scotland would become if that smarmy snake oil salesman got his way and broke up the UK.
We’ve already had a little taste of what SNP government is about, e.g. destroying statistics on anti-Catholic sectarian violence, introducing illiberal, authoritarian, and discriminatory laws to “even things up” between ourselves and the huns, their justice minister praising the “atmosphere” at the bigotdome… imagine what the SNP would do if it had real power.
David Cameron is in Edinburgh today trying to save the Union, which has always acted as a moderating influence on the more bigoted impulses of Scottish society.
I hope, for Scotland’s sake, that he succeeds.
We’re all in this together. (thumbsup)
Usually Salmond has good sensors for the populist angle…but I think he has misjudged this one.
There are far more football fans in Scotland who hate RFC than love them.
Then there are all those who don’t care about football much at all but don’t like either of ‘The Old Firm’.
Then there are all those who are left-wing and instinctively hate tax evaders.
Add them up … and I can’t see that his strategy is a vote winner.
Paul67
We have known all along the SNP would show their true colours eventually.
One Nation…
Didn’t realise she had it in her.
The missus has just txt to say that she’s spent the morning emailing various politicians including Alex Nicola and Shona.
Get in there doll!!!!!
P.S. Paul….would you like one of those prints? ;-)
Another list looms on the horizon…
The list of Salmond’s pronouncements …
what he said before the shame game
what he said after the shame game
what he said after bombthreats etc to NL
what he said at the time of Huns Manchester riot
what he is saying now about the Huns Manchester riot
HH
not posted in ages but would like to point out to Mr Salmond the following
Scotland needs England……..discuss
Hail Hail
Dear Fat Alec, independence is good, you keep telling us yourself, independence from that lot down the road who have cheated us out of what is rightfully ours for years and years. England? I meant Rangers.
Excellent article, Paul67.
Well done.
After the same said glourious occasion for Scottish football everybody’s favourite cordoruy boy was heard to say this :
Graham Spiers, writing in response to the riots, described Rangers as “a club with a poison at its core.”
Did I miss something that caused the transformation and turnaround in Graham Spiers and Alex “Salmmy” Salmond..
Starry asleep at the wheel…
Alex Salmond doesn’t do a thing without an eye on the main chance. His line will be ‘HMRC are UK, nothing I can do, but if we were independent…’
Like all sucessful politicians the man is a first class chancer. If more pressure was applied then Eck would have nothing. He is currently at the centre of a perfect storm, Labour are rudderless, Scottish Tories are a joke, Lib-Dems worse than useless. Salmond sees GCC as the main prize. Once the SNP gain control they’ll expose everything. Politically the ranjurz story is small beer and Salmond knows it.
The apathy of the ranjurz fans isn’t hard to understand, as Confucious said ‘he who lives in the shadow of the temple mocks the gods’
Ranjurz have been handed titles, an excellent press, decisions, very favourable trading conditions and additional assistance when it comes to hobbling rivals. They’ve had it too easy for too long, they don’t know what to protest about, to who, or even why. It’s too late to rally the cause, not only has the horse bolted, the stable door’s been shut, locked, bolted and now CW’s gonna burn it down!
Hail! Hail!
Unfortunately, I have been grieving over the death of a very close friend(I will write a little piece about it next week) and have been unable to comment on recent happenings on Planet Celtic.
However, I have been reading some, amazing, funny, informative blogs from my fellow CQNers.
One thing I want to say, and maybe it’s because of my deep understanding of Irish politics….
oglach says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:17
Is 100% correct. Trust me.
Well said Paul67.
I live in London and the subject of potential Scottish independence from the UK is now a fairly frequent topic for me to deal with.English friends are always surprised about the ferocity of my dislike for Salmond.
He has truly excelled himself today as the bufoon and populist that I always believed he was ( and that is despite his recent recasting as the shrewdest politician in the UK ).
I have been urging Celtic to keep their powder dry until events reached a tipping point but I think this very public statement by him today forces the club to make plain our position.
Any wavering Celtic supporters who might have considered jumping on the SNP bandwagon should have a right good look at themselves.
Excellent as ever, Paul!
The public policy comment puzzles me. Why say something like that unless you intend to be party to some ridiculous survival package or you are an incoherent fool/tool?
What do you think, Paul?
If it’s the former surely this would be grounds for getting the hell out of this cesspit?
HH
Paul
Remember yon speech Murray made after the Manchester riots where he said something along the lines of the real problem in Scotland is drugs,poverty etc.?
Salmond would do well to remember the tax evading club contributed to that.
Malarkey says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:38
Well spotted.
The only way to really win votes here is to state categorically that those who dodge tax must pay it back with penalties.
Bom dia,
As if there wasn’t already enough scope for jelly n’ ice cream, it just gets better (and better).
Looks like the SDM of Brasil, Ricardo Teixeira (President of the CBF and general all round FIFA fat slug) will – finally- fall on his sword today.
Latest scandal is a company registered to Teixeira charged vastly over-inflated accommodation rates for the teams in the Brasil/Portugal friendly in Brasilia Nov 2008.
Oh and on the subject of jelly n’ ice cream. It’s Carnival here this weekend, so anybody fancying a plate of the wobbly stuff (and some jelly) come on down to our CSC’s wee celebration party this Sunday !!!
Cant wait to see our bhoys pull on the UK strip at the Olympics this year !!!
Faithfulthruandthru says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:39
<BRILLIANT !!!!!!
Scotland needs England … it definitely follows
What really needs to be addressed is that if the SFA are found to be corrupt they may well lose their seat at the big FIFA table
Ok that´s fair enough but I cant see the Norn. Irish and the Welsh being too happy about fat ecks´s assertions
Hail HAil
Paul67,
Salmond is indeed showing himself up on this, continuing on from the “Offensive” Legislation. I preferred to call him a cretin last night, but that was without knowing the additional quote re Celtic supporters, so incoherent fool it is ! Unfortunately there are a lot more out there, and I trust all this twaddle they are spouting will back fire on them big time.
Hail Hail
Well said Paul
you have it spot on, how dare alex salmond bring the GOOD name of Celtic into this. We DO NOT need ‘them’ to survive!
Celtic would be just fine without that cesspit of bigotry and intolerance at ipox.
after all the bluster last year with the ‘summit’ after the ‘shame game’ when rangers had 3 players sent off and fat sally did his little stunt to wind up Neil Lennon, whilst sneaking off into the background behind the other coaching staff!!
And the only person punished for that was Neil Lennon!!! He now comes out with this!!!!
I sincerely hope uefa and fifa are watching events very closely and being kept informed of all of this because he and others, seem to me, to be talking themselves into a cul de sac, which has NOTHING to do with them in their official roles of public representatives.
Don’t remember the prime minister of britain saying the same things when Portsmouth, Leeds utd and other big english clubs went into administration and almost out of existence.
And I certainly don’t remember any such talk of help, or of Scottish society needing us when Celtic were hours away from oblivion!!!!
Public policy is simple – businesses should pay their taxes! If they don’t there is less money for the public purse.