We have lots to do today so I’m not going to waste much of your time on the nonsense spouted by Kilmarnock chairman, Michael Johnston, yesterday, but it is important to respond to his claims.
After confirming Kenny Shiels will remain Kilmarnock manager next season Johnston said:
“As a solicitor, the difference between a CVA and a sale of the assets by the administrators to a new corporate entity doesn’t really have much of a difference for the creditors.”
The difference is consent. Creditors consent to a CVA, they do not consent to the establishment of a new corporate entity. Mr Johnston can speak as a Rangers fan or Kilmarnock chairman all day long without fear of contradiction, but if he speaks as a solicitor, he really should respect the weight the law gives to consent.
In law, acting with or without consent can be the difference between jail or freedom.
Johnston goes on to say:
“It is the same amount of money that’s going to be available to the creditors at the end of the day by and large.”
Yes, the same amount of money that has been declined by creditors. Offering them this cash when they have already refused it, and pretending they should have no concerns is crass stupidity.
He adds:
“But there are legal differences and what people have to bear in mind is that a football club has always been viewed by the football authorities as being something separate from who owns the football club.”
In the history of Scottish football this has never, ever, ever happened. Third Lanark, Airdrieonians, Gretna, all failed to reach agreement with creditors, all went out of business. When Mr Johnston said “always” he should have said “never”.
And Mr Johnston, please remember, acting with a financial or other type of victim’s consent is good. Acting without a victim’s consent is very bad. Trying to equate these two scenarios is disgusting.
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ToneLoc @ 10:07
Thoughts are with wee Conor today, hope all goes well for you. I was in Crumlin with my son (now 9) when he was 2, only for a hernia operation, but all the same when they took him from my arms and put him on the operating table!!! well you know what I mean. Two nurses linked me to bring me for a cup of tea to re assure me he was ok! and he was of course.
The staff in Crumlin are amazing and your lad is in good hands.
Even Celtic are not as important as your family!!!!
Hail Hail to Conor
miki67 on 23 May, 2012 at 10:19 said:
Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 23 May, 2012 at 10:25 said
Cheers, as long as they give out some jelly with the ice cream, I might need some around half 8 tonight, I think I heard it’s on BBC Norn Iron so I’ll pick that up in Crumlin.
HH
Good to see the musical colossus that is Billy Ray Cyrus gettin’ his due deserts.
AWE NAW 1008
Your take on Space Oddity is conflicting with the new PADDY song;I just can’t get them out of my head.
Jee-zoh,there’s another one-I’m in trouble now….
weeminger
I should have continued that your background is a welcome addition to the rich, cultural heritage that makes up our support and, yes, Paul McStay was a fine player but so were Gazza and Laudrup!
If you had started supporting football at a later stage, might you be a rankers supporter, now?
Only asking, like!
HH
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 23 May, 2012 at 10:34
I haven´t been this bad since I heard we won the league before the clocks went back !!!
Hail Hail
bonzodog on 23 May, 2012 at 10:16 said:
How can Ticketus agree a CVA and then still go after Craig whyte ?? It’s the same debt is it not? Or am I missing something? Which is a good possibility in this mess of lies.
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I’m no Michael Johnston, Neil Doncaster or Lionel Hutz even, but even those 3 would say they can’t. Its one or the other in my non-legal opinion. Thats why Whyte has only agreed to sell his shares IF a CVA is agreed. If that happens Ticketus have decided they won’t sue him!
navanbhoy on 23 May, 2012 at 10:33 said
Thanks, the wee man an expert at this now, he’ll be 3 in July and yesterday was his tenth surgery!. He was born with heart and bowel problems and DS. Amazing little fella waving us off from his ICU bed last night not a bother on him. I agree the staff in Crumlin are amazing especially as it’s been a 2nd home for the last few years.
OurLady’sHospitalCrumlinCSC
Tone Loc-Good luck to all mate.
com·pe·ti·tion – a contest for some prize, honour, or advantage
Look at that word. That is what is supposed to happen in the SPL.
Competition.
In sport there are winners and losers. To reach the top in professional sport you need to have the will to win. A fear of defeat. The winners have drive, will do everything in their power to gain the prize. In professional football for a club to be successful this trait has to run right through from the tea lady to the Chairman.
Let us use our neighbours as an example of competition, the English Premier League. If Manchester United’s debts were to be called in tomorrow and they were cast into the inevitable abyss, what would happen with the rest of the teams? Would there be mealy mouthed platitudes about how the league needs them? Would the other chairman and league heads bend over backwards to save them?
Or….
Would every single team in the league see an advantage? Would every single team there think “hey, we have a chance at a bigger slice of success here”. Their surrounding rivals, the teams whom would benefit most, would do everything in their power to bury them.
Why?
For their own club’s good. To increase the success of their own team. To maximise their own side’s chances of winning. Is this wrong? Is this attitude something to be ashamed of? No at all. It is sport. It is winning and losing. That is the bottom line.
Now contrast that with our friend in Ayrshire.
The personnel within his football operation will have the will to win as they have made it that far in their chosen profession. A highly competitive environment. I wonder what they think about their chairman mealy mouthing away a possible competitive advantage? I wonder what they think about their chairman making excuses for dubious business practices that have had a direct impact on the success of those player’s careers?
Last week I wrote that Scottish Football had terminal Stockholm Syndrome. I am not so sure now. For there to be Stockholm Syndrome the victim has to be hostage. Has to be forced to have their own freedom’s limited by another against their will. I am starting to come round to the opinion that a lot of individuals in policy making positions in other club’s have chosen to be in the subservient position they are in. What other explanation is there that when presented with an opportunity to overnight increase their chances of success, within a professional sporting environment, they turn away?
Scottish football is dying not because of Rangers but because the bulk of the people who are in a position to cure the disease in fact quite like having the disease.
As I said there are winners and losers in sport. Celtic are winners. Neil Lennon is a winner. Neil Doncaster is a loser. Michael Johnston is a loser. What can we expect from a duck but a quack?
SOUTH OF TUNIS
KILBOWIE KELT backed up your contention that it was Peter Keenan who was paraded round Celtic Park on BF’s shoulders,and not Benny Lynch.
My grateful thanks for ensuring that I don’t make that mistake again!
And apologies to anyone I misled with that erroneous post.
Cuellar freed by Aston Villa.
ToneLoc wrote On hospital duty today & tonight (they took wee Conor’s tonsils and adenoids out yesterday to try and solve his sleep apnea)
Tone – if I can call you that, my Father also suffers from Sleep Apnea and wears a mask over his nose whist sleeping that blows air up his nose to him sleep properly. It is a bit of an inconvenience, especially for a kid, but is has certainly cured my father’s falling asleep during the day and he gets a good night sleep and is rested in the morning. He attend the Gartnavel Sleep Apnea clinic which I presume you know about.
weeminger on 23 May, 2012 at 10:33 said:
merseycelt lmfao as the big house door slams shut on 23 May, 2012 at 10:25 said:
Everything is tied together – the support, the football, the players, the brand all act and (hopefully) enhance one another. There are lots and lots of teams around the world famed for the passion of their support. They do not all have the brand power of Celtic, many are miles off.
Do you think the brand power of Celtic in Japan was bigger as a result of us signing Nakamura, or was it already there because of our amazing support?
Once again, I think it’s more than a little unfair to criticise PL for talking about the Celtic brand when he’s been asked to respond to a report about our brand power.
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I doubt we have any brand power there now!
Manchester City fans to face champion size rise for season tickets• Cost of some Etihad season tickets to jump by £60
• Fulham, Tottenham and Everton also increase prices
Share Tweet this Email Stuart James guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 22 May 2012 23.31 BST
Manchester City have increased season-ticket prices by an average 9% for next season. The hike, which follows a 6% rise 12 months ago, means that some City supporters will have to pay £60 more to renew their seat at the Etihad Stadium to watch the Premier League champions defend their title in 2012-13.
Although City are not alone in increasing the cost of season tickets, research by the Guardian shows that only three other established Premier League clubs have raised their prices across the stadium, with Fulham the next highest at 5%. Tottenham Hotspur fans will pay an average of 3.6% more next season while Everton supporters face an increase of 3%.
City say that the increases have been staggered in a way that those in the cheaper seats will not face the same rises as those at the top end. A standard adult season ticket in level one of the family stand under their gold membership scheme now starts at £425, rising to a maximum of £745, for platinum members, in level two of the Colin Bell Stand.
Adults will pay 5-10% more for a season ticket in 2012-13, over-65s will have to pay an average of 2% more, under‑21s face a 4-10% rise and under-16s need to find about £1 more per game. The club also offer an undisclosed and limited number of “value gold” seats. These cost £275 and are the second-cheapest seats in the Premier League, although the club chooses where the season-ticket holder sits rather than the other way round.
Although City’s prices remain competitive in relation to their rivals, the fact that season tickets have gone up by 15% in the last two years suggests that there are some limits to Sheikh Mansour’s generosity after all. The City owner has invested more than £1bn since taking control of the club and, in all likelihood, few supporters will be complaining at the prospect of paying more to watch a team who won the title for the first time in 44 years.
Across the rest of the Premier League, many fans will see little change in the cost of their season tickets. Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Aston Villa, Sunderland, Stoke City, Newcastle United and Queens Park Rangers have all frozen prices. Norwich City and Swansea City fans will have to pay at least 10% more to watch Premier League football for a second successive season, although their 2011-12 prices were set when they were Championship clubs.
West Ham United season-ticket holders will pay the same as they did when the club was last in the Premier League, in 2010-11, while some Reading supporters, because of a similar situation to what Norwich and Swansea were in before, will watch Premier League football at Championship prices. Wigan have increased prices for adults by 2% on average but significantly reduced the cost for youngsters. West Bromwich Albion have made the most notable change, dropping adult prices by £50 and making cuts of up to £70 in their youth categories.
A City spokesperson said: “Our pricing structure has been reviewed this summer and we are confident that Manchester City membership for 2012-13 represents superb value for money. Last season we provided the best product for supporters on and off the pitch. We won the Premier League by winning 18 out of 19 home games and were voted the No1 club for supporter experience in a survey conducted by Visit Britain for the Premier League.
“We achieved all this while having on offer some of the most competitive ticket prices in the Premier League. For 2012-13 we have adult season tickets from £275 on offer, which equates to less than £14.50 per game to watch the champions, one of the best value packages in the top four tiers of the league.
“This year we have introduced a new ‘City Kicks’ junior membership scheme for youngsters and have season tickets available for under- 16s from £110. We are also providing season-ticket holders with the opportunity to sell unwanted seats via our ‘Ticket Exchange’ scheme, giving extra value to our supporters.”
Morning all.
Just off to work so will be watching the Mark Daly expose after it finishes and will miss immediate reaction here and elsewhere.
It strikes me that if it lives up to the speculation it should put into the spotlight what this is really about. Not tax evasion, Newcos, the uselessness of the MSM and even the abject performance of the administrators but cheating. On a grand scale – at least on a par with Ben Johnson, The Carlton Blues and the Melbourne Storm. Favoured institution as they are surely the penny must drop that what is being propped up are cheats, shudders, crooks, wide-ohs.
When this story began to break – 2 years ago at least FFS- I would have settled for their demotion , heavy transfer embargoes and the humiliation of liquidation. Now ? Sorry, extinction only
Jimbo
H x 2
weeminger
You, like PL, seem to differentiate between the support and the brand. To me, they are one and the same. To talk about the success of the brand (instead of the success of the support) over-inflates his achievements
In any event, I doubt now that Naka is gone that Celtic are big in Japan.
Likewise, when Ki and Cha go, the interest in Celtic in South Korea will tumble.
This enhanced interest by other countries is not sustainable whilst we continue to trudge through the muddy and not very marketable fields of SPHell!
What is PL doing about that?
PL is lucky he has the Celtic brand/support. The converse does not necessarily apply!
HH
JamsieBhoy on 23 May, 2012 at 10:41 said:
They fitted him with a CPAP mask on Monday but monday night his O2 levels crashed even with mask so emergency surgery yesterday, last night he slept with mask successfully in ICU, he will be coming home with the mask once they’re happy with him. Bit of an inconvenience but if he gets a full night’s sleep (meaning wee do also) then it’s a win win for me. Thanks for the good wishes.
Wiz Johnston in the same legal class as Giovanni Di Stefano?
ToneLoc all the best, the CPAP machine has made a massive difference to my Dad so hopefully the wee man will have a similar success.
“It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue”
You must leave now, take what you need, you think will last
But whatever you wish to keep, you better grab it fast
Yonder stands your orphan with his gun
Crying like a fire in the sun
Look out the saints are comin’ through
And it’s all over now, Baby Blue.
The highway is for gamblers, better use your sense
Take what you have gathered from coincidence
The empty handed painter from your streets
Is drawing crazy patterns on your sheets
This sky, too, is folding under you
And it’s all over now, Baby Blue.
All your seasick sailors, they are rowing home
Your empty handed armies, are all going home
Your lover who just walked out the door
Has taken all his blankets from the floor
The carpet, too, is moving under you
And it’s all over now, Baby Blue.
Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you
Forget the dead you’ve left, they will not follow you
The vagabond who’s rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore
Strike another match, go start a new
And it’s all over now, Baby Blue.
ToneLoc on 23 May, 2012 at 10:44 said:
All the best bud .. stay strong !!!
Hail Hail
Have they been liquidised yet?
Paul67 –
I always get the feeling Johnston is happy to put Rangers ahead of the club he is supposed to be running.
Pushing thru to Georges square, so many mothers sighing
News had just come over, they had five days left to cry in
News guy wept and told us, hun was really dying
Cried so much his face was wet, then I knew he was not lying
I heard telephones, opera house, favourite melodies
I saw bhoys, toys electric irons and T.V.’s
My belly felt like a warehouse, it had no room to spare
I had to cram so much jelly and ice cream in such a short time in there
And all the fat-skinny peeple, and all the tall-short peeple
And all the nobody peeple, and all the somebody peeple
I never thought I’d mislead so many peeple
A bear my age went off his head, hit some tiny children
If the tim hadn’t a-pulled him off, I think he would have killed them
A soldier with a broken arm, fixed his stare to the wheels of a Cadillac
A pig knelt and kissed the feet of a priest, and a tim threw up at the sight of that
I think I saw you in an ice-cream & jelly parlour, drinking milk shakes cold and long
Smiling and waving and looking so fine, don’t think
you knew you were in this song
And it was cold and it rained so I felt like an actor
And I thought of Ma and I wanted to get back there
Your face, your race, the way that you talk
I kiss you, you’re beautiful, alone you will never walk
They’ve got five days, stuck on my eyes
Five days, what a surprise
They´ve got five days, my brain hurts a lot
Five days, that’s all They´ve got
They´ve got five days, what a surprise
Five days, stuck on my eyes
They´ve got five days, my brain hurts a lot
Five days, that’s all They´ve got
They´ve got five days, stuck on my eyes
Five days, what a surprise
They´ve got five days, my brain hurts a lot
Five days, that’s all They´ve got
They´ve got five days, what a surprise
They´ve got five days, stuck on my eyes
They´ve got five days, my brain hurts a lot
Five days, that’s all They´ve got
Five days
Five days
Five days
Five days
ToneLoc
I’ll join that CSC!!!
As long as Conor is the Chairman!!!!
Keep the Faith buddy
merseycelt lmfao as the big house door slams shut on 23 May, 2012 at 10:34 said:
I would say that even if my route into football supporting had come via eg Davie Copper, I wouldn’t have lasted as a Rangers supporter and I’d have eitehr found someone else to follow, or jsut forgotten about it altogether.
I say that on the basis that I’ve always been brought up to be tolerant of other people, and the while ethos of the majority of Rangers supporters wouldn’t have sat well with me.
thoughts on Norwich match…
CFC fans were immense !!! and fair play to NCFC fans for joinin in the fun
what were the achy braky lyrics ?
Tony Watt did well, Andre Blackman decent in attack, Rabiu Ibrahim ok but needs to sharpen up a little, move the ball a little more quickly
the rest o the lads, not much of a chance, not much time to impress, really
Stuart Findlay was ok at CB but still very young
i know some of the u19 lads were in Hong Kong but was surprised Neil didn’t give more time the last few weeks to more of the lads….
esp Jackson, Callum, Joe, Darnell – shame Paul George is injured too, unfortunate timing
Norwich were ok
i recognised Pacheco, he has come over from Liverpool
maybe he failed to impress there
decent Spanish midfielder takes free-kicks too
Tony Watt needs bit more work on his LHS
couple of terrific strikes even tho played out on the wing
and a good one with his left too but a couple more with the left high wide n handsome
Andre Blackman needs more practice on his RHS also, some fine attacking moves, lookin for end-product
practice, practice
maybe my opinion but i felt that the senior players were very relaxed and can’t really blame them –
long season, no need injury in somewhat meaningless game
forgot Dylan
was played out of position
still a young lad but could do with
a wee bit of a shake, gently, for one so talented
guy should be in centre dictatin the play
been off the pace v St J and Norwich
still young tho, as i say
and super talented
laffed when he did yon mazy run…
sensed the EPL lads sayin
“this izny st mirren yer playin noo, wee man !”
dunno even if filip got a game
sound was no good on my computer
decent run out tho, esp with only our
2nd or mibbe even 3rd team
all in all, a good workout
Paradise Lost? http://t.co/YYP95la1
Does anyone know what words were being sung to Achy Breaky Heart?
I think it’s a bit harsh to criticise the performance last night.
It was a shadow team, in a friendly match, and we had a 19 year old winger at right back. We also played without a recognised first team midlfielder.
And they were playing a decent side who would finish comfortably at least third in the SPL.
No need to stress about it at all.
new article posted.
Someone should get onto the blower and ask
Mark “I am not er um an expert on um er employment er um law BUT” Hately
and ask if next seasons title is tainted because Rangers have been denied
Cuellar Ian Black and Gattusso so far….(well until they get the appeal appealled).
PS
They thought about Big Didier from Chelski on a free but his disgraceful antics after scoring on Sat ruled him out.
Billy Ray Cyrus ?
” Country music is dying ——- look at that fraud who’s Hannah Montana’s Dad -he’s as country as Bon Jovi ”
George Frayne.
” There is something truly pathetic about Billy Ray Cyrus . ”
Joe Ely..
Have You Ever Seen Dallas From The Back Of A DC 9 At Night ? CSC
greenjedi on 23 May, 2012 at 10:38 said:
‘crushed nuts?’ ‘Naw, Layringitis!’ on 23 May, 2012 at 10:20 said:
Cheers.
The tidal wave of BS , misinformation and downright lies surrounding this just gets worse and worse.
So long as the right and proper outcome comes about is the important thing. The sooner the better.
weeminger on 23 May, 2012 at 10:56
And your reasons for being a Celtic supporter are shared by many and help to explain why the Celtic support is so magnificent!
We celebrate difference and welcome all.
We are joyous; they are bitter.
We look for the good in people; they hate
We regard others as equals; they believe they are inferior (despite what they say)
We hug; they fight
etc!
HH and thanks for sharing that!
Best Wishes Tone
Never had to go to Crumlin (although my brother lives in it’s shadow) only Temple Street with my two and the staff there are great too.
Good luck Conor.
dont sell McCourt
Paddy McCourt
I just dont think you understand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtdrSaoZCHI
Some Killie fans reaction to their loyal loyal Chairman’s recent crass statements:
Posted 22 May 2012 11:08
FAO Michael Johnson
Dear Kilmarnock Supporters and fellow football supporters, If you have a way please pass this on to your chairman, Tell him Scottish football WILL recover from any financial short-fall,What it will NOT recover from is condoning cheating and wrong doing. If this is not challenged in the proper way Scottish football will die of shame.
re: FAO Michael Johnson
Already made my views clear.As far as I am concerned M.J.must be made aware that to change his mind and put money before integrety would be a betrayal to all decent Killie fans.No matter what it costs Scottish football,cheating and fraud must not be allowed to go free.I think Killie will lose a lot more money by decent fans staying away,than they will if O.F.fans stay away.
Posted 05 May 2012 18:07
MJ a disgrace
Johnson selling out to Rangers for a short term few pence.
Shocking!
Posted 05 May 2012 19:59
re: MJ a disgrace
agreed … as from now i am finished with football … i have lost my passion for the game today was my last ever game …
This is the best:
I missed MJ’s comments as well but going by replies on here – they must have been completely unacceptable and a true embarrassment to our club. If he made the sort of comments that I think he made, then from that therefore I reckon that he does not have the ba’s to stand up for the fans!
In addition this will also give both sides of the Glasgow footballing arse to call us those certian names they loved calling us. I never went to a Huns game at RP or at Ibrox and will never do so in the future. Who’s side is MJ on exactly as from the link below, it’s certainly not ours!
Hold on – are these the comments folks are referring to?
MJ with those comments you broke the hearts of passionate Kilmarnock fans from around Scotland today! You can also forget about getting more seats into our stands, because what you said has hurt the Kilmarnock FC family and attendances willl start to dwindle downwards.