It was quite a fascinating weekend in the Scottish Premiership. Celtic started the action by labouring before taking the lead and moving into cruise control against Ross County. St Mirren bookended the action by scoring a 95th minute winner at Easter Road. Motherwell rode their luck to earn a point at Dundee, St Johnstone continued to concern their fans by going down 0-2 to Hearts, while Aberdeen failed to make a single attempt on target in a 0-0 at Livingston. Oh, and Kilmarnock failed to read the script by beating Newco.
The excitement Kyogo generated two years ago, on his first league start for Celtic, against Dundee, was palpable. He scored a hattrick, causing us all to hope we had signed the real deal. Two years on and the evidence is overwhelming. His performance on Saturday was just as impressive.
Twice he dropped deep to create a chasm of space behind that he filled with two inch-perfect passes. David Turnbull should have scored with the first, Matt O’Riley made no mistake with the second. His goal was not an easy strike; placing a bouncing ball from 12 yards with enough control to keep it on target, but still managing to beat the keeper. Turnbull’s head-flick and Liel Abada’s early cross both contributed to an excellent move. He is without doubt in the top two Celtic players of this century.
Maik Nawrocki showed enough to indicate why we spent so much money bringing him to Glasgow. His first involvement was a choice to concede a corner within 15 seconds of the start. It’s what we would expect in a Champions League encounter, less so against County, but the player was right to take no chances.
For two years I have lamented the infrequency our central defenders break the lines and carry the ball forward – as Kris Ajer did. Maik took one opportunity to do this, hopefully we’ll see it again.
We are a few weeks shy of two years since Carl Starfelt and Cameron Carter-Vickers teamed up in central defence. In that time, they have not lost a single game over 90 minutes to Scottish opposition. Carl took the more difficult left-sided role, despite being right footed. If, as likely, he moves on this week, he leaves a big jersey to fill.
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MODERATOR1888 on 7TH AUGUST 2023 6:17 PM
Up to you but I didn`t think any rules were being broken ( or even stretched).
Cheerio for now.
Oh well, good while it lasted.
MODERATOR1888
I did not post any reservations. I asked Stivs if he could explain what he meant. He said NO.
That was an end to it as far as I was concerned, until you butted in.
Cheerio for now.
Tom
We both know exactly what you meant by asking that
And until you pointed that out
I never really thought of it in that way mate
Thats why it got binned
Stivs
It was never about that
And I never thought the post was
But when Tom pointed it out
By asking his question
It infered something far from the original post
Thats why it got binned….
WTF…is this a mindreaders anonymous site….cause am confused. Clunks you need to keep a tight reign on yer alter egos ;-))
TLT
I could be doing with out it too mate
anyways i will give any contributions a miss for a while, will come back match day. enjoy the sterile environment all
and i wont change my stance, i enjoy england losing at anything. regardless of who represents them.
Mod1888…that was a criticism of you for not letting the conversation evolve before getting involved….
Stivs…don’t u dare flounce…temper tantrum…you’re better than that, was gonna say bigger but I heard you sleep in a dolls house ;-))
H.H.
Saint Stivs – Re Tillman, I read somewhere that Rangers had an option to buy him as part of the loan deal, but his club reneged on this deal and offered them a 10% sell-on bonus instead if/when they sold him.
Good evening all from Paddy Neesons. It’s a hard life.
Reporting Scotland only mentioned the Hibs result. No mention of Celtic and certainly not the huns, swoosh it didn’t happen 🤫
It is not a flounce, those were big long post supporting why i feel the way i feel about england getting beat, laying out I am half english myself, with many family threads to the place.
They took some considerable time to type up.
I canny be bothered typing out stuff, that then gets deleted, because the topic might go in the wrong direction according to some. I did not think anything i said was crossing a line in any way,
I spent a lot of time in Streatham and Brixton as a bhoy in the 70s and 80s. My own father did not like me playing football or mixing with the black kids, really didnt like me playing reggae (ironic given his love of the other product), and in the other irony, his scottish and irish pals mixed well with all sorts in the horse and groom.
So, it is a why bother offering up a comment or opinion, or indeed facts or experiences.
Censorship. that is what it comes down too.
PB- correct, even the trick cyclists got a mention, hurting huns….
I am a wee fella, aye, but to wide to fit in a dolls house. classically wee barra physique. ha.
right i am out,
Sometimes the written word, is different to the spoken word,can be seen in a different context
MNCelt…or alternatively, the rankers offered a pitiful payment plan to buy and were rebuffed, cried foul and made up sh*t that the papers regurgitated to appease the hordes…just sayin ;-))
H.H.
Stivs not at all
I mentioned a few times that I thought nothing of it
Till Tom pointed it out??
As soon as it was pointed out its all everyone can see
Just like if I called Tom a Chanty Wrassler (which I definately am not)
And I pointed out a chanty was a pot used to pee in
And a chanty wrassler was someone employed to
Take out the chanty (pot)
Up until then, no one thought it
Now
Everyone thinks it
“Why keep a name that’s not yours?”
It was jazz trumpeter Dizzy Gillespie who inspired research into the Gaelic speaking black slaves of 18th Century America who spoke in the tongue of their Highland masters.
Gillespie had long shared with his friends stories of slaves who spoke Gaelic, as told to him by his own parents. The musician led Willie Ruff, retired music professor at Yale University, who played with greats such as Duke Ellington and Miles Davies, to investigate further.
Ruff, a bassist and French horn player, had always been mystified by the line singing of hymns he first heard as a child in the Baptist churches of the American south.
Long struggling to pinpoint its origins, Ruff was led to Presbyterian churches in his home state of Alabama and then, ultimately, to the Wee Free churches of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides in search of the roots of this emotional, stripped back form of worship.
It has been widely held in the United States that the method of praise, where the congregation repeats back a line of a song to those leading the sermon, originated in Africa and then taken to the plantations by slaves.
But Ruff, following his research, believes that the music originated in the Hebrides and Highlands before being transported to the American colonies along with Scots emigrants, some who became slave owners.
Ruff earlier said: “I have been to Africa many times in search of my cultural identity, but it was in the Highlands that I found the cultural roots of black America.
“We as black Americans have lived under a misconception. Our cultural roots are more Afro-Gaelic than Afro-American. Just look at the Harlem phone book, it’s more like the book for North Uist.
“We got our names from the slave masters, we got our religion from the slave masters and we got our blood from the slave masters.”
Although their exact numbers are unknown, records show that vast numbers of Highland Scots migrated to North Carolina during the colonial period.
Among them was Flora MacDonald, the Jacobite heroine, who settled in Cheek’s Creek with her husband Allan, who fought in British loyalist forces during the American revolutionary war.
Scots had been drawn to North Carolina from 1739 when royal governor Gabriel Johnston, a former professor at St Andrews University, encouraged 360 Highland Scots to settle in the state with a ten-year tax exemption later offered as an incentive.
More followed after Culloden, some as convicts later sold as indentured servants, with poverty and Clearances sending new waves of settlers thereafter.
The 1790 Census of North Carolina lists 150 inhabitants of the Upper Cape Fear Valley who named Scotland as their birthplace – with the record listing how many slaves they owned.
By then, James Campbell, of Campbeltown, Argyll, had set up three Presybyterian churches in the area and was preaching in Gaelic with fellow ministers, John Bethune and John MacLeod, later arriving to lead worship in the settlements of Scots.
Historian James Hunter, in his book a Dance Called America, which looks at the emigrant experience of Highlanders in the United States and America, details how Highland settlers in Cape Fear embraced slave ownership.
Hunter wrote: “A census of 1790 found several hundred Afro-Americans in the neighbourhood of Fayetteville, most of them belonging to men with Scottish Highland names.
“Farquhard Campbell, John MacLean, Archibald MacKay, Archibald MacNeil and Alexander MacAlister had 180 slaves between them.
“And many of those slaves, it was noted as a curiosity by travellers to the Cape Fear River region, were distinguished from other North American blacks by the fact that they spoke Gaelic – this being, of course, the everyday language both of their white owners and of practically everyone else in the vicinity.”
Historian David Alston, who has led vast research into the Highlander connections with slavery, said the
Gaelic language would have been used as a form of control by the slave owners.
He added: “The slave trade reduced people to commodities and slaves were traded without regard to family or cultural ties.
“The Africans who were enslaved were from many cultures and language groups – and on any plantation owners would feel safer if there was no common African language through which enslaved people could form bonds.
“Imposing another language was initially a means of controlling people, whether that language was Dutch, English – or Gaelic.”
Gaelic speaking in North Carolina declined after the Civil War and virtually disappeared as a spoken language by the mid-twentieth century.
Scottish surnames, however, have remained common in the state. Bain, Black, Campbell, Clark, Darrach, Gilchrist, McDonald, McDougald, McKay, McLean, McLeod, McNeill, McPhearson, McAllister, Morrison, Patterson, Ross, and Stewart are still prevalent, according to the North Carolina History Project.
To some, the influence of Highlanders on slaves, their language and culture during the 18th Century has left a deep legacy.
Kai Erikson, professor of sociology at Yale University, said in 2013: “It often happens that the most marginalised people in one part of the world bring their customs to the most marginalised people in another part of the world. These customs become a form of defence.”
He said that if the connection between precenting the line in Hebridean churches and line singing in America congregations could be proved, the history of African American music as a whole could be revised.
And…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzxRuSh4bXo
Stivs….I wish you’d reconsider, you are respected,& insightful and dare I say a part of the fabric of this wonderful site
H.H.
Not really wanting to get involved in this but it’s a point I’ve made several times during the years on CQN.
For fholk who seem to have a bugbear about
Anti Catholic bigotry
Anti Irish prejudice
Certain Racism
They certainly can have an open day on people of different Ethnic, Religious, and cultural characteristics.
The MODERATOR1888 is doing us all a favour.
Hail Hail
Womens Worls Cup
Very sad state of affiairs that the headline news on ITV was the england teams win. FFS, the world is going to hell in a handcart,yet that is the headline
What the kcuf is going on in this pathetic world of ours
I give up, really do
KINGLuBO
Chairbhoy…are you making a badly made point….are anti bigots, anti racists & anti sectarians guilty of becoming those that they hate?
WBC….that is a facinating post, bookmarked
WeeBobbyCollins 7.06
Great and informative essay,thanks,and welcome back to these pages 👍
I don’t know if it’s still on the BBC iplayer but there was a documentary series in 7 parts on The History of Country Music.fascinating stuff,a lot of its origins lay in the Scottish and Irish diaspora.
As a related aside,the island now called Matinique was known ‘the Irish isle’ due to the amount of Irish slaves deported there by the english,the next generation went onto become the indentured workforce of their masters.
Ps Aquarella was worth the watch :-)
HH
St Stives Horse and Groom now that’s a memory lane one. In the late eighties when I lived in Streatham, I was working on the hod with my brickie mates saving up for the Australia visa. Pub was full of NI boys from both sides of the divide, some cracker stories. They helped each other get Tradie work. Some characters in there alright.
THELURKINTIM @ 7:27 PM,
Well not sure, you’ll have to let me know if the points are badly made.
Let me explain what I actually meant by some example
As someone who lives in a multi-ethnic town in England with black friends, associates, family, I can tell you that telling them they can’t identify as English is grossly offensive and racist.
Hail Hail
On a lighter note:
Wonder how long it will be before I hear a lovely Glaswegian mammy shouting …………..Daizen….come in ..yur teas ready .
Empire Imperialism & Ireland Prof Jane Ohlemeyer
https://m.soundcloud.com/irishtimes-politics/empire-imperialism-and-ireland-with-prof-jane-ohlmeyer
HH
TAURANGABHOY
Used to drink in the Greyhound in my time living in West Norwood.great pub
HH
AN TEARMANN on 7TH AUGUST 2023 7:34 PM
WeeBobbyCollins 7.06
Great and informative essay,thanks,and welcome back to these pages 👍
I don’t know if it’s still on the BBC iplayer but there was a documentary series in 7 parts on The History of Country Music.fascinating stuff,a lot of its origins lay in the Scottish and Irish diaspora.
*By Ken Burns, the theme tune was written by my oul hero Bob Dylan
TAURANGABHOY on 7TH AUGUST 2023 7:40 PM
St Stives Horse and Groom now that’s a memory lane one. In the late eighties when I lived in Streatham, I was working on the hod with my brickie mates
back from exhile.
my dad was billy higgins.
his briclie squad oncluded peter from fife, and my twin broethers.
I see the Engerland women’s team player who stamped on the Nigerian players back today prior to being sent off is now a victim. Her team see fit bit to criticize her abhorrent thug like behaviour but instead they are comforting her as according to one ‘she was a bit disappointed’ in what she had done.
Meantime ITV via leading national news item are praising the Engerland teams heroics having beaten 3 teams outside the top 10, indeed 2 outside the top 40 in the way to the quarters.
If they do win, which they may, I had hoped that they might set an example by properly dealing with the most blatant thuggery in an appropriate manner. Instead we are seeing justification and support for the poor aggressor.
Good example to all those kids out there as to what acceptable behaviour is on a football park.
Chairbhoy….Malcom X was an anti white black supremacist before he went on the Hadji…racism is not black n white….excuse the pun
Follow Follow really is a fun place this week. Honestly it really does feel they are a couple of reverses away from a full scale crisis again.
Not sure if anyone saw the Rangers TV version of Saturday but at half time they interviewed the new lad from Ecuador Ciufentes. What a lovely lad. Praising the lord for allowing him his rangers opportunity. Thanking Michael and the lovely fans for their welcoming messages. Hoping to repay their blessed greetings. A lovely lad who will be hopelessly out of his depth. Totally in the wrong place. He will hopefully know that by 10pm Wednesday night.
BURNLEY78
Here’s what they say about Wednesday’s opposition:
“We are also playing against a team that, being blunt, are nothing better than Hearts, though their style is a little bit different.”
What could possibly go wrong 🙄