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Surprised we got two in yesterday, as Manchester City under-grad, Jason Denayer, signed for a year-long loan last night.  The 19-year-old has yet to play first team football so is likely to be considered as backup at Celtic, though reports are promising.

Not surprised that Legia Warsaw have lodged an appeal to Uefa to be re-instated into the Champions League, they have to try everything possible.  It has not been confirmed what ground Legia have appealed on, however, at the weekend, Polish FA chief exec, Zbigniew Boniek, suggested an appeal would be made on two grounds:

That only one member of the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body was at the hearing to made the decision, and

That Legia were not given the chance to make a submission to the Body.

There are 10 members of the Disciplinary Body and rules state that decisions require the attendance of at least three, unless the case is “urgent”, when a decision can be taken by one member.  To defend their process, Uefa need to insist that the circumstances were urgent, probably citing the Champions League play-off draw, which was due to take place two hours later.

While the Disciplinary Body allow submissions to be made prior to a hearing, Article 34 authorises the Body to undertake a hearing without submissions and “in the absence of one or all of the parties”.

In the unlikely event Legia won an appeal on procedural grounds, a subsequent hearing, perhaps with more Disciplinary Body members in attendance, would take place, and would inevitably reach the same conclusion.

Article 21, paragraph 2, of the Uefa Disciplinary Regulations state, “A match is declared forfeit if a player who has been suspended following a disciplinary decision participates in the match.”  There is no ambiguity or lateral for the Disciplinary Body to exercise a different reprimand.

Legia’s appeals can carry on all the way to the Court of Arbitration for Sport but Celtic will not be involved in any future issues.  NK Maribor represent a vastly, vastly, greater risk to their Champions League aspirations.

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  1. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    James Forrest. You have told us why you are unhappy with Celtic and why you dont attend Parkhead.Now unless I have missed it you have not posted what you would do to change it for the better.It is easy I find to be critical but much harder to come up with positive improvements. H.H.

  2. Absolutely nothing wrong with the try before u buy strategy….

     

    Allows you to avoid laying out fortunes on diddys such as efrain Suarez…..

     

     

    Try em first … And buy them atvtge pre agreed price.

     

     

    It certainly worked well with Fraser foster

  3. If we play brilliantly tomorrow night, pass the ball like Barca and win by 4 or 5 will it be all changed on here. OK there will be a few “One swallow doth not make a summer” posts but I would expect a euphoric blog. Despair & Euphoria, CQN the bi-polar blog.

  4. Big Joe

     

     

    I’m not so sure Pukki’s a bad signing, Balde in hindsight is and Derk is! Pukki isn’t ever going to score bags of goals, he creates the space, he moves well off the ball and he can play. Im not sure about all the negativity surrounding him and what people expect. 7 goals in 13 starts and i think nearly as many as sub isnt a bad return.

     

     

    Loans are an affordable way forward, we will continue to purchase players as well.

  5. James

     

     

    Get the sentiment you talk about with regards to the Celtic Way but the world is changing mate. That era of lifelong heroes is gone forever just like the modern workplace. That saddens me as much as it does you but I’m more interested in how the club moves forward so there is something for my kids and grandkids to watch in awe.

     

     

    We need to embrace change or whither and die…

  6. Who signs all the cheques for all the bad players wasting the Celtic fans money?

     

    Peter Lawwell?

     

    Or, Hugh Keevins?

     

    I’d say that makes it clear that Lawwell has the agenda!

     

    Why do you think he would keep making the same financial mistakes with

     

    ‘your’ money – year in, year out?

     

    I’d say that, Lawwell is the one with the agenda!

     

    Smell the coffee – afore it’s too late. Thanks.

  7. glendalystonsils on

    I wish more of our signings in recent years had been loans. That way we could have packed them back off to their clubs.

  8. • KevJungle is a Celtic fan…not a supporter.

     

    13:17 on 12 August, 2014

     

    Can’t understand this wholesale slating of

     

    Balde, Derk and Pukki?

     

    Ah mean – what are they being judged on?

     

    How many chances they miss?

     

    If so, could you consider that, hardly any chances come their way.imho

     

    Balde – the last 5 mins most weeks under Neil?

     

    Nae wonder he’s still not got a job.

     

    Maybe, just maybe, this what Ronny is trying to get across – no chances

     

    being made?

     

     

     

    Not slating mate………………………….

     

     

    Just saying loan deal would have been more beneficial……………

     

     

    To the Champions and to the players………………

     

     

    Bigjoethinksweneed2mixitUP

  9. James Forrest is praying for The Unconquerable Oscar Knox on

    Joe Filippis Haircut:

     

     

    The reddest of red herrings. “You provide the strategy then …”

     

     

    In case it had slipped past you and the others who post this nonsense, let me refresh your memory a wee bit.

     

     

    We have a guy who’s paid an Ally McCoist size salary to create strategy. Give me his money, and his resources, and I’ll tell you what, you can have my 120 Day Review.

  10. Do people not also think that possibly the Club look at some of the money wasted on recent signings could have been better placed and that by getting a few loans in will keep that money in the bank for the right permanent signing?

  11. Celtic Champs Elect on

    the old yins are the best yins

     

     

    james forrest awe naw and neganon all went to espanya on holiday at 7.30pm they got asked to leave the bar by the manager WHY they asked and the manager replied because the happy hour is starting.

  12. Jeg er Ronny Delia on

    traditionalist88 – I see that now, thanks (sorry, I did miss it first time round, but still no need for the name calling)

     

     

    My thoughts on your strategy:

     

     

    1. Sign the best young players in the SPFL and don’t haggle over a couple of hundred grand which caused us to miss out on McCarthy and Russell.

     

    I agree we could do more of this but if anything it is a handful of players – McCarthy, maybe Gauld (though he was priced way out of our range). Neither of us knows what went on with McCarthy, what we bid and if he would have come to us over the bright lights of the EPL, but I agree we should try to get guys like him. However, I struggle to name more than one or two others -maybe Fletcher. Not Russell for me, sorry.

     

     

    2. Fewer ‘projects’ – Amido Balde was clearly a project but he wasn’t 15 years old. There was only so much more developing he was capable of and it was never going to be enough.

     

    Ok.I don’t think there have been that many anyway. I think the idea with Balde is that he had physical attributes and might be refined into a decent footballer. I agree it seems not to have been a success – but the £2m figure that is often babdied about is not, as I understand it, anything like what we paid.

     

     

    3. No loans without an option to buy unless it is a proven star.

     

    Not really practical I’m afraid – we are just not shopping in the “proven star” bracket anymore because we can’t pay the wages (or even I expect the part of the wages we might be asked to pay on a loaner). We disagree on this, but I have no problem taking promising young talent for a year if it let’s us improve our squad – let’s see how it works out.

     

     

    4. Punt the duds off the wage bill even if it costs us a settlement fee. It’ll save us in the long run and won’t drag everyone else down with them when they inevitably get game time for whatever reason.

     

    Agree, as long as the settlement is cheaper than keeping them on the wage bill and maybe getting a few quid for them. Anyway, we do this – eg D Murphy, Bangura, Juarez.

     

     

    5. Don’t let youngsters go for being too small(Robertson) particularly when they are about 15 years old and have huge potential.

     

    Not our proudest moment, but it happens. Player development is difficult and no-one gets it right all the time.

     

     

    Do all of this and we may avoid hitting rock bottom every 3/4 years and have a solid base to work from when there is a change of manager.

     

    I wasn’t happy being pumped by Legia, and that is a real problem, but I remember the 90s and Macari and Biggins and finishing mid-table – this is so not rock bottom!

  13. • Robert88

     

    13:21 on 12 August, 2014

     

    Big Joe

     

    I’m not so sure Pukki’s a bad signing, Balde in hindsight is and Derk is! Pukki isn’t ever going to score bags of goals, he creates the space, he moves well off the ball and he can play. Im not sure about all the negativity surrounding him and what people expect. 7 goals in 13 starts and i think nearly as many as sub isnt a bad return.

     

    Loans are an affordable way forward, we will continue to purchase players as well.

     

     

     

    I agree, that why a said, possibly Pukki, as I think he has something………..

     

     

    However………………………….

     

     

    Apparently he is homesick and suffers from lack of confidante.

     

     

    Mix and match, is what I say…………………..

     

     

    Just think Big Peter feels he got his hands burnt last year

     

     

    SodifferentapproachthisYear

  14. Afternoon all, we’ve had a difficult time recently but i’ve some thoughts to share. I’ve every moral/sportsmanship sympathy with Legia, and if we were “just a club” (which I think Legia are) as opposed to also being a PLC then I might have hoped long term reputation might come before long term gain. Heres the thing UEFA/FIFA happen to rather like PLC’s (or complanies) and I’d say a fair few of the main ECL competitors ie those with not just a domestic market will be PLC’s/shareholder ran , so Legia better get used to it.

     

     

    The besy way forward – My initial thoughts went along the if we switch to some sort of summer league like the scandanvians – though I’m guessing we’d have to be

     

    more March to december rather than november (when norway ends it season) to keep christmas holiday markets and european group stage readiness – would that be effectively telling the support that we are sacrificing another seville or taking the round 16 match in ECL seriously as that would be our pre-season time?

     

     

    I havent heard the term atlantic league in a while but I believe a lot of people in “Scandinavia” are having the same discussions about the best way forward for their leagues – they point out about the amount of Scandinavians in canada/usa who are bring their hockey style enthusiasm to “Soccer” and point too the tv markets it could open – surely we could contribute to that? I’m sure we could create a Belfast Celtic, Dublin Royal Rangers,Kerry United and Derry City to add to it

     

    (similar things were discussed in the wake of the good friday agreement)….

     

     

    If that doesnt happen, I atleast think Manger/mgt team contracts should run form december and not june, especially if domestic competition is not likely to be that tight for the next few years or so

     

     

    I also think we should restrict our scouting to players/countries who are compatible with our schedule if we are not prepared to have suitable backups/competition, in blunt terms no more african/south american players – efe has not been ready for our champions league qualifiers and he

     

    is clearly far more comfortable at full back and is certainly not a aerial commanding position-ally sound centre back. We knew Iza was going to the world cup – both our “centre backs” could have been- where was the cover????????? Squad players fine, money potential fine, but key players in key positions that they havent been playing at all or in position for a month or 2..no no no no no

     

     

    For all the creative forward success of the youth scheme over the last years if we cant produce a solid SPL/Polish/norwegian league level back four and defensive midfielder – who are not 5’6″ – seriously how hard is it to produce a 6 foot plus 15 stone centre back – he doesnt need to be John kennedy – or david luiz/vvd incarnate – I want him to get a nose bleed if he goes past the half way line outside of set pieces

     

     

    Think we’ll ever learn?

  15. I wish I could be as confident as Paul67 about Legia’s appeal. Platini is big mates with Boniek. And I don’t think Platini has any more integrity than the SFA.

  16. Big Joe

     

     

    13:23 on 12 August, 2014

     

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    Would they not have been better ‘buying’ Johnny Russell

     

    and, Stevie May, rather than loans?

     

     

    Tell you what, why do you think that almost ‘all’ of celtic’s recruits must come via

     

    a foreign agent?

     

     

    What’s going on?

     

     

    Where’s the hound of the bampots – over at ibrox?

  17. South Of Tunis on

    Awe Naw @ 13 11 .

     

     

    Profit is an accounting measure .

     

     

    Accountants like guaranteed income .

     

     

    If the support stops buying Seasons tickets/ if there is no European lolly , the Club will be reliant on cash flow and at that point some of the issues relating to cost will have to be addressed

  18. Talking of coffee……………………..

     

     

    Sipping a pot of Develish Coffee’s finest…………..

     

     

    Chocolate, hazelnut and cappuchino flavour..

     

     

     

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  19. Interesting signing of the young MC player,it could mean that DVD will be away after next game against Maribor and he will be his replacement,but I would suggest that will be the scenario if we slip into the EL,if we qualify for CL proper I think we will then sign a more experience centre back..

     

    Our wildcard signing should be a striker with movement,against the Poles the movement up front was a disgrace,I lost count of the number of times the player on the ball could not move it forward because of our lazy frontmen,I tell you something now,if we had Kenny Miller upfront it would be a different story. Whatever some may think of him he works his butt off.

     

    Qualify for CL then we have plenty of time to sign new player.

     

    Back Ronny to get rid of the lazy players,two sessions a day.? Lucky beggars .

  20. James Forrest is praying for The Unconquerable Oscar Knox on

    See this “Gauld was priced out of our range” stuff … give me a break.

     

     

    You’re saying we didn’t have £3 million?

     

     

    If the purpose here was to, you know, BUILD A TEAM he would have been worth every penny. Every single penny. He would have been the creative force in our squad for years to come.

     

     

    But the notion of selling on players for a profit is the over-riding intent. We’re not building a team any longer. The strategy locks us into a permanent state of transition.

     

     

    And please, before people start saying this is how football works, it’s a nonsense.

     

     

    The successful clubs build teams. They evolve. They don’t regress. Every major club side of the last 30 years has done it by keeping a core group of players. Sure, there are some who come and go. But a core group remains.

     

     

    How the Hell are we ever going to return to those days when we have the likes of Wanyama sold after 18 months? Virgil being touted after little more than a year. Fraser Forster was being lauded for staying for THREE SEASONS …

     

     

    Gauld would have been a steal at £3 million, and that was affordable.

     

     

    But it would have meant building something, which we have no intention of even trying to do.

  21. Just Another Tim on

    With these 3 loan signings could the club possibly be in the process of listening to the support and changing our transfer policy?

     

     

    3 loan signings in, not projects, loans, that if don’t work out can be returned to their parent club, saving us millions in contract wages & transfer expenditure. If successful can be purchased for a pre agreed price.

     

     

    Is it possible that the board now see the flaws in their policy? Are they now researching permanent acquisitions more carefully?

  22. 79caps

     

     

    All we can do is judge this with a straight bat. The rules are clear and there is no ground to throw Legia a lifeline.

     

     

    To do so would be corrupt. Not beyond them but I don’t think they are that openly corrupt.

     

     

    We’re going through the motions I suspect.

     

     

    And I suspect Legia know that too but shifting the ‘blame’ from Celtic to UEFA to Celtic is a pretty effective one from keeping it away from their own administrators.

  23. Johnny Russell and Stevie may…..are no better than stokes

     

     

    End of

     

     

    Sorry….. Which big club dud they go to again ….

     

     

    Oh yeah…..

     

     

    Diddy teams

  24. Our primary purpose every year is to win the SPFL. Then we have a chance at qualifying for the CL. To what purpose do we try and qualify, even with great players we sometimes failed to make it, and even if we do then, generally, it’s out before christmas and no european football to look forward to beyond that time. What are our expectations as a support, to me they seem like pie in the sky, me included, we are a selling club, always have been, apart from the MON years, but even then we ended up with a team depleted and not fit for purpose of a new incoming manager. So tell us what your strategy is? We know there are COE’s there who are paid handsomely, but so are the players and the rest of the football department, but I don’t see that hindering any opinions on who should be signed and let go and how we set up and the tactics employed. The “strategy” is maybe being tested to the extreme, but at least, as a football club and as a business we have one! por cierto

  25. Jeg er Ronny Delia on

    James, no offence taken. I agree it is a sorry place we are in now, but we just have to make the most of it – win in Scotland, give an honest account of ourselves abroad, and play decent football. and yes, in time we may have to face another club raising the SPFL trophy (though I am confident there are several obstacles still in the way of the Deidclub!) – that’s football, and frankly, that’s how it should be.

     

     

    unlike you, I don’t blame the current custodians though. I don’t always agree with them, and I might do things differently (see my response to traditionalist88 where I actually agree with a lot of his points), but ultimately we are under constraints that means we can only tinker at the edges of the strategy (eg sell FF now, or in 2 weeks). we do not have the levers to pull that would take our club back to the heights we wish it inhabited.

  26. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    James Forrest. Sorry fella I usually enjoy what you write but your recent posts moaning that things are so bad you dont attend Parkhead now is for me not your usual high standard.In fact it is Lazy posting at its best.If things in your opinion are so bad a clever poster like yourself will have thought what you would do to change it for the better.Saying to others you provide the strategy is a nonsense. I currently am not unhappy with what Celtic are doing I think with a little patience Rony and Celtic will be just fine so if you are not happy instead of moaning let us know how you would improve the current situation and if you cant your not the poster I thought you were but just another whinger.No offence intended. H.H.

  27. What is the Stars on

    Corkcelt

     

    If we play brilliantly tomorrow night, pass the ball like Barca and win by 4 or 5 will it be all changed on here. OK there will be a few “One swallow doth not make a summer” posts but I would expect a euphoric blog. Despair & Euphoria, CQN the bi-polar blog.

     

     

    Fair enough,

     

    But the more likely scenario is defeat to St.Johnstone followed by much wailing and gnashing of teeth

     

    Followed by defeat on Saturday (though because we are at home we may scrape a draw)

     

    At what stage will people wake up and accept that Rony Delusional is not up to it

  28. big wavy

     

    Hope you are right, pal. I just have a bad feeling about it. I should be more of an opTIMist.

  29. • KevJungle is a Celtic fan…not a supporter.

     

    13:29 on 12 August, 2014

     

    Big Joe

     

    13:23 on 12 August, 2014

     

    _____________________

     

    Would they not have been better ‘buying’ Johnny Russell

     

    and, Stevie May, rather than loans?

     

    Tell you what, why do you think that almost ‘all’ of celtic’s recruits must come via

     

    a foreign agent?

     

    What’s going on?

     

    Where’s the hound of the bampots – over at ibrox?

     

     

    Good point………………………….

     

     

    However on closer inspection of your theory…………

     

     

    Lee Griiffis, blows it out the water.

     

     

    Life’s full of IFF’s and BUT’s mate…………….

     

     

    I for one want Celtic to buy promising Scottish youngsters………………………….

     

     

    Youdon’talwaysgetwhatYOUwant

  30. Jeg er Ronny Delia on

    James, yes, I think £3m is a lot for us to pay for Gauld – the kid has talent but is still a bit of a punt. I have heard NL say he was not sure Gauld was ready for the first team, and I trust his judgement on that. How would you have felt about £3m fr a young “project”, not ready for the first team?

  31. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    auldheid

     

     

    13:20 on 12 August, 2014

     

     

    I think we will qualify for the CL …… at a full Celtic Park

  32. KevJungle is a Celtic fan…not a supporter.

     

     

     

    13:36 on 12 August, 2014

     

     

     

    To hell wi Lawwell, Park, the ‘bored’ and their carefully

     

    planted sleakit clique who are driving Celtic towards a

     

    slow carcrash. imho

     

    Bed timezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

     

     

     

    goo ide mate………………………………..

  33. big wavy

     

     

    All celtic have to reply is if Legia didn’t have bottlers taking penalties that would have sent them through, without an admin error! I can’t see why people feel sorry for Legia. Their argument is flawed and nonsense.

     

     

    Agreed we were bad, but still rules are rules, we don’t have to enter into talks, meetings any old bollocks like that.

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