Surprised we got two in yesterday, as Manchester City under-grad, Jason Denayer, signed for a year-long loan last night. The 19-year-old has yet to play first team football so is likely to be considered as backup at Celtic, though reports are promising.
Not surprised that Legia Warsaw have lodged an appeal to Uefa to be re-instated into the Champions League, they have to try everything possible. It has not been confirmed what ground Legia have appealed on, however, at the weekend, Polish FA chief exec, Zbigniew Boniek, suggested an appeal would be made on two grounds:
That only one member of the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body was at the hearing to made the decision, and
That Legia were not given the chance to make a submission to the Body.
There are 10 members of the Disciplinary Body and rules state that decisions require the attendance of at least three, unless the case is “urgent”, when a decision can be taken by one member. To defend their process, Uefa need to insist that the circumstances were urgent, probably citing the Champions League play-off draw, which was due to take place two hours later.
While the Disciplinary Body allow submissions to be made prior to a hearing, Article 34 authorises the Body to undertake a hearing without submissions and “in the absence of one or all of the parties”.
In the unlikely event Legia won an appeal on procedural grounds, a subsequent hearing, perhaps with more Disciplinary Body members in attendance, would take place, and would inevitably reach the same conclusion.
Article 21, paragraph 2, of the Uefa Disciplinary Regulations state, “A match is declared forfeit if a player who has been suspended following a disciplinary decision participates in the match.” There is no ambiguity or lateral for the Disciplinary Body to exercise a different reprimand.
Legia’s appeals can carry on all the way to the Court of Arbitration for Sport but Celtic will not be involved in any future issues. NK Maribor represent a vastly, vastly, greater risk to their Champions League aspirations.
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Personally I’d prefer every new signing be the result of try before buy every time and I’ve always advocated that on here.
It’s simply the best and safest deal, if a club refuse this for a target then I’d be suspicious.
But that’s just me.
On the manager, like every other manager and player we sign I advocate at least one season and must admit I was very disappointed the Tony Mowbery never got that chance, there are a few on here telling us to give the Ronny a year but were screaming for TM’s head after only a few months.
Big Joe
13:36 on 12 August, 2014
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Now, there’s the prime example LG.
Play him in the box and he’ll score most weeks. imho
What does RD do….plays him as a winger FMM.
Anyway…bed noo….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Por Cierto:
We have a strategy as a business. Agreed. The business is being funded by the football department, a case of the tail wagging the dog if ever I saw one, but okay. As long as we can post profits then “it works” I guess.
You tell me what our football strategy is though. Team building? Squad development? Growing into a proper force on the pitch?
No, because the football club’s success or failure is a secondary consideration when the club itself exists to support the business. As long as we can find one good player, one saleable asset, in ten we can “survive” the bad years when we get pumped out of Europe in the first round by teams from Eastern Europe.
Those years when we’re not even the biggest club in our country?
Oh, that’s the “cyclic nature of football”. Get over it.
We play in a one team league at the moment. When it was a two team league we lost three of the last five titles, and we won one of the other two on the final day and our rivals dropped a 15 point league lead in the other.
And I write this, for the umpteenth time, and I feel like banging my head against a brick wall as I do it because I know some will read it and dismiss it as if I made it up.
Ronny Deila has taken on the job that should have started at least two years ago.
That is to create the bridge between the development squad and the first team.
Winning the league by a huge points margin did not serve us well.
In the absence of the hun,our challenge was to promote those of our young players who could make the step up.
Neil Lennon chose not to.
Instead, he concentrated on building his own CV.
How much more impressive would it be if he had built a reputation for building a young, energetic team, who played attractive football.
Instead of being headhunted by an ambitious club, he is passing his time in Punditland, advertising his availability.
Personally, I hope the Celtic board back the manager and see where we are at the end of the season.
I don’t think a lot of our “support”will be prepared to give him that chance.
If he does nothing else, I hope he changes the part time training culture and gets rid of anyone who he considers a negative influence in the dressing room.
Two days training with Jim Mc.Guinness would have most of our team in Intensive Care.
Back to work for this ol’ fella.
Scotzine @scotzine 2m
Brighton launching a bid for Rangers full back Lee Wallace.
Hun media has fans writing to graham wallace asking for the removal of super sally ha ha
Demot Desmond/PLC demand profit maximisation every year so John Parks selects the raw material………Peter Lawell determines the financial viability…….the coaching staff work with what they are given (much like a bricklayer doesn’t pick the bricks kind of thing)
Its called MONEYBALL………..Fergus called it “player trading” in his time.
I personally believe the PLC are saving the money to compensate/allow for the inevitable fall in attendances of the clubs traditional core supporters while they attempt to reposition “Brand Celtic” within the market place.
This works on the assumption that Celtic will not escape Scotland anytime soon, that there are more than enough football supporters to support one very big club and the orcs will not be a CL alternative any time soon.
All thats required is to ‘vanilla’ the product to appeal to as many as possible and you do that by removing the less appealing parts…..SFA antagonism’s (like the Farry, Dallas et al debacles)Green Brigade, Political Statement Banners, assisting FOCUS etc.
Refocus Celtic as Scottish brand, diminish the Irishness, Tri-Colour to eventually disappear etc etc.
I would think we are approximately 4 years into a 15 year Strategic Business & Marketing plan at the moment (it will take a generation of people passing and another one coming of age)……..towards green coloured, vanilla flavoured ice-cream……and inclusive CL football for all in Scotland.
Team Celtic indeed…….just another franchise IMO.
Just an opinion of course……
Well im off to do some work thanks for you opinions Bhoys your banter is always entertaining.H.H.
A majority of posters on CQN now share the same view of Celtic as does the MSSM.Very sad.
Cheerio,
JJ
ernie was a 12th giggle that’s all, I’m more excited about pandabriand and have began bidding on the new sweet black and tan
Oops. Forgot to mention. William Hill has Celtic at 1/2 to qualify and Maribor at 6/4.
Those who are so convinced all about Celtic is rubbish can make themselves a fair bit of money.
moneywhereyourmouthisCSC
The football is the business James! What does else the club do? Some charity and community stuff (which we all support), ok, but I really can’t think of much else. The majority of revenues come from football-related activities (including merchandise) and the majority of revenues are spent on football-related activities (players, stadium). We need to have profits, or else we have losses, which no-one wants. We do not pay big dividends, etc. to shareholders. There are things you can legitimately dislike, or disagree with, on the business side (e.g. level of compensation for our CEO, the amount of cash the business retains as a buffer against losses or expenses, the mount of debt it takes on to finance investment) and which are the proper subject of debate – however, the club does not exist without the business, and the football club IS the business, like it or not!
pauloantony
13:33 on 12 August, 2014
It’s just the usual mate every player we don’t get becomes 10 times better in people’s head. Happens every time HH
Jungle Jim:
Hahahaha. Love it.
So let’s see if I understand this correctly … we’re supposed to leave our common sense and basic intelligence aside and deal with Celtic purely on an emotional level because – God forbid – we might otherwise sound like Hugh Keevins?
The media lacerates us for EVERYTHING we do. Everything. On those occasions when they “get it right” and gleefully report how we’re rotting from the inside believe me, I do not rush out and buy the rags because they “support my view.”
They hate us. This is not news. I will not make their hate an excuse for ignorance.
If we ignore reality we are as bad as the other lot, watching our club rot. From a different disease, yes, and far more slowly, but with the same result.
The media hasn’t “informed” a single opinion of mine for over fifteen years. I’m not about to let what they write influence my thinking now.
Gillians weather fronts were very prominent today!!!!
Auldheid @ 13.20
Agree, entirely and posted similarly this morning.
The only thing unclear is whether ‘loan signings’ is a stop gap measure, given that the window is still open ,or a sea change on how Celtic prevent signing expensive underachievers.
My guess is that it’s temporary as will still dine if not gorge on sales, when we find VW’s and FF’s.
I don’t have any difficulty at all with the buy cheap, sell at profit strategy, because the revenue from ST’s is still only half of the wages we pay.
The disaffected and those that preach the ‘you are all mugs ‘ gospel are out in force, and still watching Celtic from behind the couch.
Auld … @ 13.20
You say the team is not at a CL level.
Basic question for me — What is a CL level?
The next question then has to be asked — why are we not at a CL level?
Who will take responsibility for us not being at a CL level?
For me the CL level you talk about is getting to the CL.
That would have meant putting out teams of the calibre of LW and Maribor.
Are you saying that is and was beyond us?
Are you saying it was beyond us last season or the season before?
If you are saying that this inability is a new phase of the team / squads capabilities then I have to ask why? Would it be a case that the team has been gutted over the past 2 years to support PL’s bonus?
You then finish on the positive note that we might be CL quality next season.
I have to ask why — the squad is being run-down, quality is being sold.
No matter RD’s abilities as a coach the higher the quality of the raw material the easier task.
Then there is the reputational risk, the revenue risk, the recruiting risk of writing one CL season off — how does it affect the support and the potential support?
The death spiral awaits.
Lower quality football means less revenue and brand degradation.
Lower revenues means tighter budgets and a lower quality squad.
Lower quality squad means less chance of making the CL in 2015.
As I have said before we are into Moneyball Part 4.
PL is working very hard at revenue discovery — just how low can we go?
Just where is the floor where is the floor regarding the club’s revenue.
I think he is gambling it will never go below £30mill.
Interesting to see if Nike agree with him.
Robin Williams R.I.P
James Forrest,
The voices of discontent are all over the internet about Lawwells approach.
Firstly we should dispense with the idea it’s board policy. Lawwell runs Celtic from top to bottom. Bankier the chairman is his poodle compared to guys like John Reid who forced thru the spending to give strachan 3 in a row.
Failure against Maribor will see a huge element of the support just drift away in apathy. How can the club expect the fans to continue to invest when their policy is to downsize.
I will go to the Dundee Utd home game to pay my thanks to Fergus. Depending on Maribor outcome , my 2 season tickets may not be used again. There is no way I am going to support a CEO whose strategy is resulting in failure. The SPL is dross and only the CL made the season exciting.
Like many Celtic supporters I have had enough. My first game was Clyde at Shawfield. My first Old Firm game was a 1 nil win with a bobby Lennox goal. I remember great nites like Sporting Lisbon or 10 men won the league. I enjoyed Seville having a few days there in a beautiful apartment. I remember the hampden cup finals in 85 and 88 or driving to love street saying we had no chance….but you never know.
I am absolutely sickened by what Lawwell is doing to our Club. In a strange way I wouldn’t mind if Maribor won as I will be able to have my Saturdays free again. I am only in the country at the weekend.
Lawwell was compensated to the tune of £906k last year excluding stock options. Since 2003 he has taken almost 10mil out of the club. We will be at the weakest this season than at any time during his tenure. That is some legacy from the biggest earner in Celtics history.
The one ray of hope is that many Celtic fans have sussed out Lawwells gameplan. The verbals he took at Murrayfield will be nothing compared to failure against Maribor.
Lawwell must be sacked.
james forrest is praying for the unconquerable oscar knox
13:41 on 12 August, 2014
Yes, but they got those titles employing corruption , and you know it …… and it contributed towards their demise, since they were found out big time in Europe……
We need to concentrate on doing the best we can domestically, and in Europe, until we get out of this corrupt / bigoted ‘environment’ …HH
Jungle Jim
Maribor at 6/4 is not very tempting
But St Johnstone tomorrow at 6/1 is the bet of the year
I have never bet against Celtic and probably never will (came close with Legia 2nd leg but couldn’t)
However for anyone not emotionally attached to the club (like say Mr Lawell and Mr Desmond) this would represent a great bet
Also Dundee United are 15/2 to win on Saturday .I would suggest backing them now for after St Johnstone turn us over those odds will tumble
Ronny Out
I see some are using last seasons failed player recruitment strategy to support this year loan strategy.
I presume Ajax and Schalke were not in favour of try before you buy and that we were more confident in our scouting back then. As for Balde, scouting him, identifying him as a target and then paying 1.4m is a complete failure in anyone’s book. There are umpteen baldes plying their trade in European football some of whom turn out for the likes of Hearts, st Johnnstone and ict from time to time.
If we had paid for Berget I wouldn’t be overly worried as long as his transfer fee was appropriate. Same goes for Tonev. The lad from Man City is a stop gap and must be there to make up numbers this season so I’m not overly worried about him.
Surely with all the emphasis on this magnificent scouting network we have we could identify someone playing first team football in a reasonable league who would immediately come in and improve the team.
Folk are obviously conditioned into thinking that a pre fergus type spend in the transfer market is acceptable.
Seriously we really don’t need to spend a lot. Loans come with their risks and I hope we have no more as we need to lay down the foundations of a team.
How much would a striker from a mid table Dutch side cost, how much for a striker from Mainz? A centre half from The Danish league? Are there no bosmans any more?
BSR @ 13.50
So we are now a selling club — is that what you are saying?
Are you happy with this — is ambition a dirty word now?
You suggest we are now back in the days of the old board.
You know when you had to sell BA to pay for the floodlights.
latchford
13:51 on 12 August, 2014
With supporters like you, we will be fine…
James Forrest
Thanks for the reply.
Yes agreed it is a business, first and foremost. Not to my liking but thats the way it has been for over 100 years.
It’s not just a case of buying good players as pleasing as that makes you feel when we do.
We were put out in the first round of the European Cup, the season after we won it!
That is what football is all about, no guarantees of success!
We did not lose any games in turning round that 15 point gap, we put them under the pressure and they buckled!
They won those other “Titles” due to lots of “honest mistakes”.
I think the strategy is to have a team capable of winning the SPFL first and foremost, everything else after that is a bonus. The soundbites of being a top european club are just that soundbites! If you believe the hype then you leave yourself open to disappointment, every board in the last 100 years have used various “soundbites” to keep us all onside por cierto.
Latchford – some of that is pure fantasy stuff. The chairman of the board did not “force through” spending on Strachan’s watch! Say what you like about Lawell (and you have done…) but keep it sane please.
bournesouprecipe:
Watching from behind the couch is going to be become the standard if this squad manages to get past Maribor and has to take on serious teams.
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10:56 on 12 August, 2014
So the Celtic Support go to Murrayfield twice and the Panda’s pregnant? Hmmmmm!
MWD says AYE
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For a long time I’d describe myself as a supporter of PL and the board, who have a really tough job to do.
I think Celtic are completely screwed by the structures of European football. We are far too big for Scotland, yet are not allowed to move to play against similar sized clubs. We have a massive fanbase, but no way to maximise TV revenue from them.
This leaves us stuck in a no-man’s land between CL-level aspiration, and SPFL-level reality. Meanwhile, tiny clubs in the EPL and Championship are showered with tens of millions of pounds every season before a ball is even kicked.
Our strategy of eschewing the EPL and looking to buy cheap prospects in other markets, with a view to profiting in a couple of seasons, is, in many ways a creative and intelligent solution to our problem.
However, whilst that strategy may not itself be wrong, it seems blindingly obvious that we are not implementing it properly. It also seems obvious that our management of the “football operation” is ship-shod bordering on the negligent.
We have forgotten- in amongst all the buying and selling- that we are required to put a decent team on the park. One that people will be excited about and feel is capable of writing a new chapter in Celtic’s history.
We buy a decent player, then immediately look to sell him. We forget the bit in the middle about building a successful team. As James Forrest points out, the way we act ensures we are in a permanent state of transition.
Even worse, given how important European football is to the club and its strategy, our management of pre-seasons is utterly risible. Seriously, who thought our schedule this year was a good idea? No-one who actually works with the players I’ll bet.
The result is a club which is very badly managed, by a board who have become fixated purely on trading players for profit and who do not seem engaged at all with the much more tricky task of building a decent team with the supporters’ money…
…But the board is insulated against failure by the weakness of the SPFL, and the fact that the fans have remained (more or less) faithful.
That, however, will not last forever. At some point PL and the rest need to ask themselves what they are at Celtic for. Because at the moment I genuinely fear their aims and those of the fans are diametrically opposed to one another.
weeron
13:06 on 12 August, 2014
We are in the world of miracles. All of you who are angry and express hatred towards our CEO…. You are angry because they deliver miracles but only on an occasional basis.
Hi Weeron,
Your comment above is the best bit of (not so) common sense I have read on here in a long time!
Great stuff and keep it lit mate.
Yours in Celtic,
TB&F.
• KevJungle is a Celtic fan…not a supporter.
13:39 on 12 August, 2014
Big Joe
13:36 on 12 August, 2014
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Now, there’s the prime example LG.
Play him in the box and he’ll score most weeks. imho
What does RD do….plays him as a winger FMM.
Anyway…bed noo….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
You should have applied for the Celtic job mate………..
iwouldbackYoumate
I’m away for a wee swim ……. becoming overwhelmed / emotional with all the positivity on here…… I woke up this morning in a really good mood…….!!!! …..hahahahahahaha
what is the stars
13:52 on 12 August, 2014
YAWN…….
why dont we just have a full squad of loan players ?
is that the cunning plan.
keep who turns out, ok-ish
and hand back the duds.
truth_beauty_and_freedom
13:56 on 12 August, 2014
weeron
13:06 on 12 August, 2014
We are in the world of miracles. All of you who are angry and express hatred towards our CEO…. You are angry because they deliver miracles but only on an occasional basis.
Hi Weeron,
Your comment above is the best bit of (not so) common sense I have read on here in a long time!
Great stuff and keep it lit mate.
Yours in Celtic,
TB&F.
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The new loan strategy is clearly a loss in faith with the scouting team.
The spend promises from PL before the CL qualifiers at the end of March clearly depended on Neil remaining in situ and that is why those lies were told.
The board choosing Ronny is all about player development, therefore I do not expect to see a signing over 2m at Celtic park under his tenure.
HH