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Surprised we got two in yesterday, as Manchester City under-grad, Jason Denayer, signed for a year-long loan last night.  The 19-year-old has yet to play first team football so is likely to be considered as backup at Celtic, though reports are promising.

Not surprised that Legia Warsaw have lodged an appeal to Uefa to be re-instated into the Champions League, they have to try everything possible.  It has not been confirmed what ground Legia have appealed on, however, at the weekend, Polish FA chief exec, Zbigniew Boniek, suggested an appeal would be made on two grounds:

That only one member of the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body was at the hearing to made the decision, and

That Legia were not given the chance to make a submission to the Body.

There are 10 members of the Disciplinary Body and rules state that decisions require the attendance of at least three, unless the case is “urgent”, when a decision can be taken by one member.  To defend their process, Uefa need to insist that the circumstances were urgent, probably citing the Champions League play-off draw, which was due to take place two hours later.

While the Disciplinary Body allow submissions to be made prior to a hearing, Article 34 authorises the Body to undertake a hearing without submissions and “in the absence of one or all of the parties”.

In the unlikely event Legia won an appeal on procedural grounds, a subsequent hearing, perhaps with more Disciplinary Body members in attendance, would take place, and would inevitably reach the same conclusion.

Article 21, paragraph 2, of the Uefa Disciplinary Regulations state, “A match is declared forfeit if a player who has been suspended following a disciplinary decision participates in the match.”  There is no ambiguity or lateral for the Disciplinary Body to exercise a different reprimand.

Legia’s appeals can carry on all the way to the Court of Arbitration for Sport but Celtic will not be involved in any future issues.  NK Maribor represent a vastly, vastly, greater risk to their Champions League aspirations.

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  1. On our recruitment, I’d put it like this: our strategy is broadly correct but our recent tactics have been wrong.

     

     

    Strategy: We have to buy and sell players when they get too big for us. That’s where we are on the food chain – and frankly if VVD didn’t think we were a ticket to a PL team then he wouldn’t have come (in my opinion). We can’t change that alone. There is nothing wrong with the strategy that sold Forster, Wanyama, Ledley or even Hooper.

     

     

    Tactics: We have been too unwilling to pay a little bit more for a slightly better quality of striker/midfielder. I understand that wages is the big deal and may cause a contractual chain of rising wages throughout the squad. However we could probably do with a smaller squad to cope with that. As the recent tactic has just not worked.

     

     

    Our recruitment needs a tweak not an overhaul.. it’s just that we’ve hit a bit of a wall this past couple of months: “When sorrows come, they come not single spies. But in battalions”

  2. Folks I have 2 tickets for The Killers at Ballahouston Park next Tuesday for sale if anyone is interested.

     

     

    They’re £55 each.

     

     

    Post on here if you want them please.

  3. JD: “Celtic gave me an assurance to play and it’s a good chance for me.” (MH)

     

     

    From our new loanee….the Belgian wan…

  4. That’s us in trouble now. Legia have a twitter thing on the go #letfootballwin and the Huns are all over it like the stinky rash they are, they seem to think that UEFA are under pressure because of it, rules are rules play a suspended player you lose 3-0. End of HH

  5. Awe Naw

     

     

    or…..

     

     

    Ronny is putting a line across the names of some of those available to buy in favour of better quality but on loan ?

     

     

    Pragmatism csc

  6. James F…

     

     

    I always find myself having sympathy with your viewpoint although not always agreeing with your reasoning and/or conclusions.

     

     

    The overly conservative and unimaginative running of our club can be depressing and has resulted in a negative aura surrounding the club and the support.

     

     

    I hear a lot about our poor PR but I don’t think that is the substantive issue. The real problem is a lack of positive (tho still pragmatic) management. That we have huge challenges to meet in order just to try to mildly compete with the ‘Super Clubs’ is obvious but the club has a responsibility to bring us along with them for the battle.

     

     

    I agree with you we can play £3/4m for an established performer with a known pedigree AND some more £s for a good young player with potential and clever loan deals. It is only that type of strategy which can set a back stop to prevent decline of standards. Should standards be allowed to decline (as I think they have) then the £3/4m signing ain’t going be enough and a downward spiral begins.

     

     

    Its not that I think the decisions are easy ones and I accept mistakes will happen but the current strategy of buying at £1 and selling at £10 then replacing with another £1 player is NOT investing in the club. Surely if you sell at £10 then the next replacement can come from the £3 pool for example.

     

     

    It is almost always a subjective decision. You think paying £3m for Gauld was a bit of a no brainer. Not for me…personally I’d rather have bought the full back Robertson (?) and Armstrong for the mid field.

     

     

    I hope, not confidently, money has been set aside for a rolling improvement strategy which I’ve tried to describe and which Celtic claim wrongly to be following.

  7. There are three things that we can be sure of

     

     

    1) we’ll sign players – we do every summer

     

    2) the books will show us with a balance that’s either a little in the black or a little in the red

     

    3) we’ll only spend guaranteed income

     

     

    Maybe we could speculate more to get better returns. The downside is if we fail, it means a firesale or less spending the following year.

     

     

    What we don’t know…

     

     

    – Who we’re trying to sign

     

    – Who we’ve tried to sign

     

    – If we decided to delay spending to get a better calibre of player

     

    – Future outgoings

     

    – How flexible the banks are with Scottish clubs at the moment.

     

    – How much we’ve lost from

     

    from a sharp drop in season ticket revenue and other income steams

     

    steams

  8. Madmitch…… We have always been a selling club….

     

     

    Dalglish, Nicholas, di canio Pierre petrov wanayama Ledley

  9. James Forrest is praying for The Unconquerable Oscar Knox on

    Lol oh man oh man ….

     

     

    I’m giving up for the day. Probably for the week.

     

     

    It’s amazing that on a day when people continue to defend the strategy that has failed to deliver sustainable success and maintain the quality of the team on the park I’ve actually been sent an email highlighting similar thinking, on an even more perverse plain.

     

     

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-british-success-story/

     

     

    There’s your argument, right there.

     

     

    Our regression to the level of a mediocre scrapper, hovering on the fringes of European football, content just to “be there” is … a positive. Cause hey, at least we’re no deed, right?

     

     

    The world is flat. No, really.

  10. mullet and co 2 on

    I’m confused. We are not a champions league team yet qualified last season with the same personnel plus Joe Ledley and for this leg Fraser Forster?

  11. bournesouprecipe on

    MadMitch

     

     

    Most clubs are selling clubs and all the money goes to the top of the pyramid.

     

     

    A lot of big clubs have an identical strategy just a question of degrees or values in buys, then sales

     

     

    Porto as an example are a selling club (700m Euros) in ten years.

     

     

    Something wrong with them too?, – or maybe their incoming ST sales in a vastly superior TV money laden league, just doesn’t cut it.

     

     

    Do I lack ambition? – no, we hit a rock at the end of NFL’s tenure, just as we did when MON and WGS, got fed up.

     

     

    We sell to survive, in a bankrupt backwater league.

  12. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    For anyone just in – ThomtheThim’s post on the third page is worth a read.

     

     

    Speculation and opinion only but I suspect Ronny Deila has been shocked by the lack of quality and professionalism in the squad he has inherited.

     

     

    I love Lennie to bits and he could certainly fire up the team for the big matches.

     

     

    But he also bought Pukki, Borrigter, Balde & Bangura.

     

     

    Picking up on Malarkey’s post – this was £8 m of combined fees more or less wasted on 3 nearly men and 1 prospect.

     

     

    If we are short of quality up front its not Deila’s fault.

     

     

    He has my support. Hail Hail

  13. James Forrest is praying for The Unconquerable Oscar Knox on

    mullet and co 2:

     

     

    And Samaras.

     

     

    And we qualified by virtue of a last minute goal at Celtic Park, and were thoroughly and embarrassingly destroyed in the groups.

     

     

    Last post for the week. Adios amigos.

  14. derbyshirebhoy- we can’t spend any less than we have up til now,and that is us trying to get to the CL,we might get a few juniors in soon.

  15. Re Loans, Getting in a player with an option to buy does make sense, getting a young lad without an option to buy in a position where we have a few young lads of our own makes less sense. I hope all 3 perform well for us but Berget & Tonev couldn’t make it at Cardiff & Villa. I always regarded Celtic as a superior team to the likes of Cardiff & Villa but the penny is beginning to drop that we are not. Up to 2 years ago I would have argued with any EPL aficionado that Celtic would be easily a mid table team in the Premiership, couldn’t do it now.

  16. Our latest loanee must be better than our current young uns in the opinion of those who made the decision. Fine by me.

     

     

    Our young uns have show they can play football. But they’ve also shown, to me at least, that they lack pace. And pace at the back is a virtue.

     

     

    And while I’m here, those who come on and declare their withdrawal of support for Celtic due to perceived fiscal policy or team rubbishness, it’s your loss. I will keep attending home games. Because. I can. And I want to.

     

     

    I hate not winning. But I hate it even more when I’m not there to witness it with my own eyes. TV is a poor second best as you don’t get to see what is happening off the ball. Who is moving into space, who is not capable of seeing that move. Who is not capable at all.

     

     

    The amount of money in the bank. The players we sign or don’t. The person in charge of the team. The tactics employed. All relevant football discussions. But none of them relevant as to whether I attend or not.

     

     

    On the other hand, playing Sevco is another story. I won’t be attending any home games against them should that ever occur. Just a wee principle of mine. And I don’t have many.

  17. Just Another Tim on

    hun skelper

     

    14:06 on

     

    12 August, 2014

     

    That’s us in trouble now. Legia have a twitter thing on the go #letfootballwin and the Huns are all over it like the stinky rash they are, they seem to think that UEFA are under pressure because of it, rules are rules play a suspended player you lose 3-0. End of HH

     

    ____________________

     

     

    You should tweet them back with #letfootballruleswin

     

     

    HH

  18. the glorious balance sheet on

    Jungle Jim 1347

     

     

    Ladbrokes had Celtic at 8/13 to qualify against Legia before a ball was kicked the first leg.

     

     

    They had Legia at 5/1 to win in Edinburgh before the 2nd leg.

     

     

    So I wouldn’t set any store on the bookies odds for the Maribor game.

     

     

    I’m guided more by the evidence of my own eyes which tells me Celtic were all over the place v Legia last week.

     

     

    Also I don’t know of any Celtic fans who would ever bet against the team. I know of plenty who think the current team is not up to much but none would ever bet against us. It’s not the done thing.

  19. Snake Plissken on

    Raman Bhardwaj ‏@STVRaman 1m

     

    Deila says in the last month he’s ”looked at 500 players”. Defends concept of loan signings. More on STV outlets soon #Celtic

  20. Dontbrattbakkinanger on

    The killers?

     

     

    ‘Arthur Numan, or are we dancers’

     

     

    I think I’ll respectfully give it a miss.

     

     

    On the other hand the old postie has delivered ‘ Dim lights, thick smoke and hillbilly music (1967)’ feat. Wee Bob Mitchum singin’ ‘ Little ole ole wine drinker me’

  21. ItaliaBhoy

     

     

     

    Great post mate. In total agreement that the club is being badly managed at board level, not just buying and selling players. But everything. I think player sales is covering up a lot of errors in other parts of the business. So on the hwole it seem’s to be we only make money if we sell players. That can’t be right for a club or enitity like Celtic Football Club surely?

     

     

    KLV

  22. James, one page one of this article you stated the current strategy had cost us 3 league titles.

     

    I’d like to take issue with this. The current strategy had not been put in place then, and the fact Old Rangers were at the height of their cheating had as much, if not much more, to do with losing those leagues.

     

    Other than that, you have many good points.

     

    Hope you catch that before you leave for the week.

     

     

    Hope you’re doing well.

  23. Latchford.

     

     

    “I wouldn’t mind if Maribor won as I will be able to have my Saturdays free again”

     

     

    There are so many inaccuracies here, the sense of hate for Celtic shines though.

     

     

    The best bit you mention about Seville was your apartment? Lovely.

     

     

    Twice you’ve mentioned Peter’s wage. Please remember than unlike Sevconians, he’ll be paying Income tax and paying NI. At his level you can almost halve the figures you stated, he’ll receive.

     

     

    That’s how much CEO get, especially as different areas of the club grow and debt is reduced (or wiped) DURING an economic downturn, whilst REDUCING season ticket price cost..

     

     

    What would your strategy be as Chief executive, you clearly want the job and sound full of jealousy, Are we paying tax? Do we live within our means?

  24. Ronny on…

     

     

    Jason was one he looked for.

     

     

    Knew him because Ronny’s past club had a strong relationship with MC.

     

     

    So actually not a PL/JP signing…this time lol

  25. traditionalist88 on

    Jeg er Ronny Delia

     

     

    You are right apologies for the clown jibe:)

     

     

    I think Russell would have been a good signing and a potential long term replacement for Commons, who doesn’t have too long left I would guess.

     

     

    I know we routinely let players go who do not make minimum stats in terms of height for example and this is just plain wrong imo, particularly when they are 15! But no matter the age skill/technique/game intelligence should be the deciding factors. I recall Billy Stark mentioning how Xavi and Iniesta wouldn’t have made it in Scotland becuase of their height and professional clubs giving too much weight to other stats of lower importance whilst players are still at the development stage.

     

     

    It just seems that if there is a trap we will fall into it.

     

     

    Of course we are a million miles ahead of where we were in the early 90s but under the current regime we lost 4-0 to St Mirren a few years ago which resulted in a manager losing his job and didn’t feel a million miles removed from the barren years.

     

     

    Must we have these catastrophes every few years or can we avoid it?!

     

     

    HH

  26. Talking of Porto…….

     

     

     

    European Cup / UEFA Champions League

     

    Winners (2): 1986–87, 2003–04

     

    UEFA Cup / UEFA Europa League

     

    Winners (2): 2002–03, 2010–11

     

    European Cup Winners’ Cup

     

    Runners-up (1): 1983–84

     

    European Super Cup / UEFA Super Cup

     

    Winners (1): 1987

     

    Runners-up (3): 2003, 2004, 2011

     

    Intercontinental Cup

     

    Winners (2): 1987, 2004

     

     

    Mmmmmm………

  27. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    back to basics,

     

     

    Thanks for the comment.

     

    Unfortunately, you may have undone my cloak of invisibility on here.

     

     

    Not to worry, though, it will soon be restored!

  28. Back to basics,

     

     

    It is indeed a good read.

     

     

    Clean sheets and 100 pts should have been disregarded and replaced with young blood and different styles.

     

     

    And who’s to say the record wouldn’t be broken and 100pts not reached.

  29. bournesouprecipe on

    James Forrest

     

     

    It’s not going to be pretty on the evidence so far.

     

     

    Celtic might have had better grounds for appeal than Legia.

     

     

    But any ‘plan’ not to buy hasn’t been laid out, at least not until 31/08/14, there was never a chance of investment for the potential Maribor game.

     

     

    We’ll have to offload to have a chance to strengthen.

  30. Snake Plissken on

    Raman Bhardwaj ‏@STVRaman 1m

     

    Asked Deila if he expects Celtic to face Maribor. ”We are preparing for Maribor” #Celtic

  31. Snake Plissken on

    Daniel O’Connell ‏@DanielOConnel18 29s

     

    Were Legia fans screaming at everyone to #LetFootballWin when they were stripped of the Polish title for match-fixing in 1993? #Hypocrites

  32. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Big Wavy

     

     

    that would mean that Ronny has been given a level of authority on player acquisiton that was not afforded to WGS and NL

     

     

    I dont believe that you believe that.

     

     

    HH

  33. Mullet and co,

     

     

    samaras and brown played in last year ps CL qualifier too.

     

     

    The glorious balance sheet,

     

     

    The bookies will have factored Legia display into the odds. They still expect us to go through against Maribor.

     

     

    Not sure Ronny could recover from a double capitulation.

  34. Uefa would be in a much bigger pickle if they were to accept legia’s appeal, as I’m sure they’re aware. Celtic would have a very strong case for the CAS to claim compensation, citing uefa failure to apply its own rules of association, clearly and ynambivupusly stated.

  35. glendalystonsils on

    Glad to hear that RD has the team in for double training shifts. Any player who wants to be as good as he can be, needs to be as fit as he can be. Any player who wants to improve his skills must practice his skills.

     

    Any of our current players who don’t want to be as fit or as skilful as they could be can GTF.

  36. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    James

     

     

    yes its the flat earth society during the day and the society of S.V.D.P om steroids in the evenings.

     

     

    See you next week

     

     

    HH

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