With the Lisbon Lions ‘acting in concert’, as is often the case in Glasgow football circles these days, I hope Celtic plan to mark the 50th anniversary of another of their achievements this Saturday. The St Johnstone game marks 50 years to the day the Lions won Celtic’s very first treble.
A Bobby Lennox goal won the League Cup against Rangers on 29 October 1966, before two Willie Wallace goals took the Scottish Cup on 29 April 1967. The treble was completed at Ibrox, when Jimmy Johnstone scored twice to secure the point Celtic required.
Given the 50 years that we have enjoyed since that season, it is unimaginable to believe that this was the first occasion Celtic retained the league title for exactly 50 years. Last doing so with a win at Dumbarton on 7 April 1917.
It has been said here often before, but it cannot be overestimated what Jock Stein and the Lions did for Celtic. The European Cup and nine-in-a-row are merely the headlines. The titles are trophies you have enjoyed since are the substance. The story would more resemble that dark half century without retaining a league, without them. When the club and New Balance launch next season’s strips later today, they homage they will pay to the men of ’67 is fully merited.
Thank you to all who have sponsored me for the Celtic Foundation. I’m running the Stirling Marathon on 21 May. I know there are a million demands on you but all support is appreciated.
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The Green Man says SACK THE Board on 5th May 2017 11:32 am
Unfortunately a significant proportion of the electorate are, IMHO, either too stupid or too lazy (hence they called it indyref) to research and understand the implications of the political debate and the long-term outcome for major decisions like independence.
Apologies to anyone who feels that is too harsh an assessment but in the last independence referendum the SNP avoided all searching questions regarding currency and fiscal policy – simply because they hadn’t thought it through fully and didn’t have the answers!
Ernie Lynch is also right insofar as there would be a fiscal deficit (that would have been worse after the collapse in oil price if yes had won the referendum) and I don’t expect to see any honest answers form Wee Jimmy Krankie if there is a second referendum!
So a wee bit of honesty is required:
1. We will ditch the monarchy and become a republic
2. We will use our own currency
3. We will create and manage our own fiscal policies
4. We will raise taxation to cover the fiscal deficit (because that will be required)
5. We will honestly admit we don’t know if we can get EU membership
6. We won’t take it if it comes with the same austerity measure applied to countries like Greece (because we would be in the same boat probably)
Do you think the SNP will go into a referendum telling those truths? I don’t.
KTF
So the British psychological society have declared :-” Swearing really is good for you”
I could have told them that ages ago for f@ck all.
HH.
A few thoughts on this theme.
It strikes me that the parliamentary process is merely a manifestation of social control.
The state convinces the citizens/people that the electoral process is democracy in action, politicians determined to protect their state ‘perks’ reinforce this idea.
In reality….if you stop to think for a second, this is obviously a ridiculous notion.
The very idea, that political elites would encourage democracy, is nonsense.
Its a circus.
A small elite of sociopaths and psychopaths, control freaks, perverts, liars, convince you that an ‘election’ can change your life.
It wont.
HH
ASTORMHACHROI
That BBC Burke obviously knows how to touchtype.
How else could he manage such a long article wi his tongue rimming Murray?
Shameful and shameless hagiography
London or Brussels or anywhere else in fact,no matter who rules i’m sure the rich will get richer and the rest of us will bicker over the scraps and who the worst/best party is as the central banking system continues to keep us all indentured tax slaves.The whole thing’s a scam.
I’m with TGM’s guillotine idea.
This is an “extract” from Barry FegusHUNs writing in the DR..
Let’s be brutally honest, it’s been an excruciating experience being a Rangers fan over the past couple of weeks.
As if the pain of seeing your side surrender the Scottish Cup to your rivals was not bad enough, not to mention, six days later, suffering the sight of Celtic running riot at Ibrox.
If that 5-1 thrashing felt like a slap in the face to the 40-odd thousand fans inside their own stadium, then the monkey gestures of one or two knuckle-draggers in the stands have been a kick in the pants to each and every one of them.
As sickening as that was, it’s really important here the Rangers support is not all tarred by the same brush.
Two points Barry ….” How can you “Surrender” something that you DO NOT HAVE….The Scottish Cup ?
2nd…..How many of those thousands of decent Sevco fans that you profess visit Ipox….actually did anything about those racists…when they were actually doing it /
Er um NONE !
Barry ya FUD.
VFR800 is now a Monster 821 on 5th May 2017 11:47 am
Wow you mean like the brexit referendum?
We could potentially voting without all the t’s crossed and i’s dotted?
Has that ever happened before?
Tories gain in Shettleston and Ferguslie Park. Sad, sad day.
TIMMY7_NOTED on 5TH MAY 2017 11:50 AM
Do you mind me asking if you are a member of the SNP?
ernie lynch on 5th May 2017 11:36 am
Precisely; it’s between 2 parties.
You sell E Lynch and Co to The Green Man (unlikely, but let’s assume you do). You put conditions on the sale.
It goes bust.
I set up VFR Ltd and buy the basketful of assets from the Administrators.
You and TGM then come to me and say “a condition of sale to TGM was that you wear a blue frock every Thursday”. I tell you both to GTF (green I could comply with, but not blue).
How can you enforce that?
KTF
The Tories have won Shettleston in Glasgow and Paisley ( the MOST deprived area in Scotland) !!!!!!!!!
Labour have lost overall control of Glasgow Council after just 3 Wards votes counted.
Honestly, for any so called Scot far less Scots living in feckin Paisley and Shettleston to vote for the Tories is just HUNbelieviable !
HH
The Green Man says SACK THE Board on 5th May 2017 11:48 am
A few thoughts on this theme.
It strikes me that the parliamentary process is merely a manifestation of social control.
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No shit Sherlock! :>)
KTF
Labour,Liberal,Conservative, UKIP ,SNP….These are the symbols of control.
This is what they present as your identity.
The crumbling ruin that is parliament….is your BIG BROTHER.
The political ideology being served up on a daily basis in the media….is merely a mechanism to confuse, to separate, to create division.
In reality, the mass of the population are controlled by a tiny privileged elite…..that is a historical blueprint, that is now.
HH
VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 on 5TH MAY 2017 11:53 AM
It presupposes that The Green Man would in effect be the purchaser of the basket of assets.
It couldn’t apply in an arms length sale to a third party.
It was anticipating some kind of pre pack deal.
VFR
Dont scoff….millions believe it, thats how they rule.
Greenpinata on 5th May 2017 11:35 am
Spot on! Those who think and independent Scotland being in control of their own destiny and fiscal controls within the EU don’t understand how the EU works!
KTF
VFR800 believe it or not I am not political. I just think that Scotland can grow much more than food banks and depravation. I believe that we have the ability to govern ourselves, the will of the Scottish people. I will give you questions a go.
1. Keeping the British pound
Don’t care . Scotland will have lots to bargain with if it wants to keep the pound.
2. Signing over (part of) our fiscal policy/management to a foreign governments bank
Thus is what happens now so no change hear. We would have an opportunity to create our own national bank. Scotland has a vibrant and talented financial sector
3. Signing over (the other part of) our fiscal policy/management to Brussels
Independence does not necessarily mean being in the euro zone. Separate question to be voted on by the people of Scotland. Naw we don’t need to be beggars at England’s door. Scotland has substantial ( not oil) real economy.
4. Ceding a significant portion of our political control to a bigger union than the UK
Again you presume independence means being part of Europe. I personally think yes but it is not paramount. Independence will mean we choose our own destiny.
5. Paying to prop up the British Monarchy
I am anti monarchy though I admit to thinking the Queen has been good at her queen job. If an independent Scotland wanted to retain the monarchy as head of state that is a fairly cheap hos. Why NZ still has it . Not a treat reason but again not being independent means you pay anyway so no loss either way.
I think Scotland can make its own choices, look after its people better from Edinburgh. We would be very like Eire, Denmark, Norway , Sweden etc. our own brand of northern euro democracy. Or we could stay North Brits.
To be clear , This is not about England. I wish England well and they will likely always be our closest ally and economic partner in every way, except where we choose our own path.
Hail hail
Ha….Tories win one of the most deprived areas in Scotland.
If true, i rest my case.
HH
ernie lynch on 5th May 2017 11:53 am
No and no.
BIG JIMMY on 5TH MAY 2017 11:55 AM
‘Honestly, for any so called Scot far less Scots living in feckin Paisley and Shettleston to vote for the Tories is just HUNbelieviable !’
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I voted Tory yesterday.
And SNP, Green, Independent and Labour. Not necessarily in that order. I don’t think there was a Lib Dem standing, otherwise I would have voted for them as well.
timmy7_noted on 5th May 2017 11:50 am
Yep, the referendums on Scottish independence and leaving the EU were largely voted on by an electorate who didn’t understand the implications or political magnitude of either.
IMHO, both decisions were right, albeit by accident.
The socialist argument for leaving the EU was very compelling but not widely aired. Could any true socialist want to be part of a union that propped up restrictive trade agreements that made the rich richer and removed the rights from workers? Not in my book.
Too many people rely on the BBC and Daily Mail for their political information; therefore, IMHO, it is fundamentally flawed.
KTF
Scary stuff.. Ferguslie park tory..WTF!!!
TIMMY7_NOTED on 5TH MAY 2017 12:01 PM
Just wondered.
I was looking for a party member to answer a question I had.
It’s odd, but there don’t appear to be any on here.
VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 on 5TH MAY 2017 11:47 AM
You know I think points one to five are spot on. Strongly disagree that you think we are beggars at Westminsters doors. Why compare Scotland to Greece. Why not Ireland or Denmark.
Shettleston vote Tory….thats absolutely mental.
The Empire…is back:)
Barking mad.
I tell you…..Hun Scotland will be Hell
Scary.
HH
VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 on 5TH MAY 2017 12:03 PM
‘The socialist argument for leaving the EU was very compelling’
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Maybe in the 1970s. The world has moved on. Any socialist taking comfort in the decision is being deliberately obtuse. The vote was driven by xenophobia and nationalism and that will be the climate in which Brexit happens.
These Tory gains can ONLY be contributed to HUNS and their love of feckin BREXIT and Theresa May taking on board the UKIP vote across Britain, when she promised a “HARD BREXIT” which in turn meant that UKIP voters, voted for the Tories.
Her plan has worked. Give UKIP voters a “Hard Brexit” promise and they will become The Tories.
This country’s UKIP voters now have power within the Tories……..in my book that makes the Present Tory Party…feckin WORSE than Thatchers Government !
HH
Taurangabhoy on 5th May 2017 11:59 am
The British Government and bank of England stated unequivocally that Scotland would be keeping the Sterling pound, so that was never an option. The SNP were also very clear (and still are) that their independent Scotland would be within the EU.
We would be in the Euro Zone with no currency of our own and most likely a condition of entry would be a requirement to adopt the Euro.
There would be significant change in how we control our fiscal policy and it wouldn’t be for the better. Ask your average Greek!
KTF
Feegie Tory brilliant and bullshit. Do you have electronic voting now. Putins boys having a laff. I don’t know if people power is possible. How many turkeys can really vote for Christmas.
Taurangabhoy on 5th May 2017 12:05 pm
I am comparing Scotland to Greece because that is, IMHO, a very good reflection on where our post-independence in the EU economy will be.
Austerity for all that will make the Tories look like the good guys.
KTF
TIMMY7NOTED
A coupla weeks ago,one of my mates mentioned that he didn’t think the tories had any right to push a hard Brexit.
What like?,I asked.
Well,the single market,customs union. We are f’d without them.
Bear in mind this is a reasonably intelligent guy on £450 a day as an Oracle systems tester. Most of my friends erm aren’t!
I asked him WTF he thought he voted for last June.
His reply?
To take back control of our borders and laws.
Yes,he was correct. He hadn’t considered that the EU might want to protect theirs against us.
I have got used to being governed by a party I despise-including Blair Labour-but I’ll never get used to the stupidity of turkeys voting for Christmas.
Or Shettleston and Feegie Park voting tory.
new article posted.
BIG JIMMY on 5TH MAY 2017 12:08 PM
It’s because politic division in Scotland is no longer along class lines, it’s along constitutional lines.
That’s what nationalism does.
ernie lynch on 5th May 2017 12:07 pm
The socialist argument still holds today, unless of course you are comfortable with propping up globalized financial institutions and cabals who are working it for the rich and not the poor.
If that’s the case, you are part of Tony Blair’s Labour party and not the one I joined 40 years ago.
KTF
Lunch time –way down south .
Just been phoned by my 97 year old Glasgow residing father -( rarely phones on a Friday -but needs must )
Much doom and gloom . Much I’m glad I don’t have much time left . Bad enough to quoting Camus –
” Calamity has come to you ,and , my brethern, you deserved it .” .
Think that comes from -The Plague
VFR800 What do you mean never an option. An independent Scotland would be pointless unless it could exercise its own power to make choices, including whether or not to be part of the EU.
Answer my question, I answered yours. Why do you compare Scotland to Greece rather than Eire or Denmark.
VFR800 is now a Monster 821 on 5th May 2017 12:03 pm
I agree with your proposition regarding where people get their information, I’ve found it particularly distressing the move to the right of my own parents which I attribute to reading the Daily Mail and Express.
But if you really believe we will ever get answers to all of those questions prior to any independence vote you’ll die waiting.
Personally I’m willing to take almost any economic risk to get an independent Scotland where my voice will be heard.
VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 Ok thanks I see your answer. You think Scotland us Greece , I think it is Eire or Denmark. We disagree. I am visiting both Countries in July. I will let you know.