There is no outrage louder than moral outrage, so I ignored this week’s stupidity by Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston, adding volume seemed moot, but if you look below the bonnet of this decision you’re likely to find the real story. Kilmarnock FC is in a critical condition.
They need your money this week, probably even more than they need the goodwill of their own fans. Mr Johnston’s most damaging folly has not been to offer Celtic fans a better deal than his own club’s supporters, it has been the failure to address the club’s financial imperative over a long number of years. Like another club I can think of, getting cash in the door is the only game in town, as a failure to do so would bring enormous consequences.
It is the Killie fans who suffer as “Speaking as a solicitor” Johnston clings to what passes for power at a busted flush. Don’t apologise for this week’s self-harming insult, instead be contrite about the actions which brought about the problem.
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dontbrattbakkinanger
13:55 on 26 September, 2013
The view from TBBs front parlour
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Any houses for sale??
SOAL
I tried to join a Jewish ballet company but the tights gave me away.
Kingho
Do you happen to have any noticeable, identifiable features I could use to spot you from my seat in the Chadwick? :-)
Can I just point out that not all Ayrshire residents are members of the Largs mafia or Ayrshire Huns..
pheersy
@sensitivesoulcsc (largs branch)
HT,
I’ll be standing eating a pie and bovril bought with the six quid I saved. Other than that I don’t really stick out!!
Bhoys need some info. going to Florida for the first time on Saturday and staying at the Emerald Isle complex in Kissamme. where nearby do they the Celtic games? Appreciate any help given.
Pat
setting free the bears supports Celtic’s best fighter- Wee Oscar Knox
14:20 on
26 September, 2013
Emerald Bee
I can concur with that observation of Rangers Youth in the 90s. I saw a game at Carfin between the under 15s of both clubs. The Rangers guys were all 6 foot and strong runners (Alan Hutton clones) whilst Celtic had 9 McGarvey clones with the exception of the Centre forward who was a 6 foot Harry Handsome fair-haired lad. I don’t recall anyone of that build ever make it into Celtic under -21 level either.
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I went inti education instead.
TBB
“when the big move was made by the peripheral nations of Europe to create an Atlantic League, when it was mooted that Celtic would be playing in the EPL within 5 years”
To be fair, “mooted” is not the same as “planned”. The Atlantic League, which exists in a modified format for Norwegian and Swedish clubs, was a likely dead end if everyone else in Europe remained unchanged. It would have created a market equivalent to the existing Dutch league and not any of the big 5.
Even going to the English League, which was a close run thing at Championship level until someone ran interference, would only be a partial solution that created as many problems as it solved.
I wanted a CL model of year long league, administered in Regions, by UEFA, where we might participate in a Western Europe Division 1,2 or 3 with teams from England France, Belgium, The Netherlands and Scandinavia.
The fall of communism and the freeing of the footballer from tied contracts were also the subject of parlour talk for many years with no sign of actually happening. When both did occur, they were sudden and most participants were caught out by the new landscape in which they found themselves. Anybody predicting we are stuck in Scotland for sure or that we are just about to be offered a place in another league is almost certain to be uninformed of the true state of play and level of expectations.
I want Celtic to have a strategy for making the best of where we are stuck now. I also want an actively pursued strategy, for entering a more elite league, even at the risk that we may be a middling or poor participant in such a league, coming in as a new franchise.
Where, I differ from you, is in expecting the club to make any kind of purse out of the sow’s ear of competing with near bankrupt clubs in a peripheral and unimportant league.
I have to leave now and will catch replies later this evening.
DBBIA
There’s a big pile of tops for the goals. Makes it kinda difficult to pull the jersey too.
HT
Like it
Kingoh
Hope it chokes ye :-)
patsean
going to Florida for the first time on Saturday and staying at the Emerald Isle complex in Kissamme. where nearby do they the Celtic games? Appreciate any help given.
Pat
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Hamiltontim 2.36.
Retort of the week.
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I haven’t been to a Kilmarnock v Celtic game since I left Scotland over 14 years ago but the last one I went to my mate got tickets as the guest of a local publican, so we were in with the Killie fans. You get fed up listening to “get intae that Fenian B*****d” after about 5 minutes.
nosympathyherecsc
frankly speaking
let them all go down the tube
the huns, the mini huns and the killie huns and all these clubs that are basically running on the proceeds of a social club puggy machine
they cant get crowds, even when celtic come to town. They dont deserve any better
when we were down and on our knees, they made us close celtic park
they charged us to rent hampdump
they all cheered wildly when raith beat us
i dont give a damn for any of them
Weeminger
I’m not sure that I’d agree with your assertion that Celtic’s package deal is quite the same thing and never having purchased tickets for an event in London’s West End, I’ll have to take your word for that (which I do).
I just think it’s grossly unfair that Celtic supporters who paid £26 for tickets for Rugby Park are now in the position where they’re paying 6 quid more for a comparable ticket and all because of the short sightedness and greed of Kilmarnock’s chairman.
steviebhoy66
Thanks a lot for the info
Hail Hail
Pat
the moon bhoys-agree totally.
Kingoh @ 14.26 – cheers mate, pretty sure we’re not alone in that regard…
Monkeys will surely be taking legal action….
…. Too many clubs in Scotland……
Amalgamation required…… Saturday 1500 ko
Fife Farters v Highland Teuchters
http://www.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/home/latest-news/view/smite-blog/2013/06/20/hun-batz-emerges-as-the-new-monkey-king-
BMCUWP
Several ex-Celts, notably Malky McDonald, Willie Fernie and Tommy Burns have played for and managed Kilmarnock. However, they do have a lumpen hun element among their support. They are Ayrshire ffs.
Many teams in Scotland have “fans” who would prefer to be at ipox but can’t for one reason or another. Junior teams in Ayrshire especially.
I would exempt Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and Hibs fans from that comment.
HT,
Sftb laid it on a plate for ye but it still had to be put in the net. Very funny :)
I take it your gripe is the rip off reduction and not the fact killie are punting them on to our fans?
pogmathonyahun aka laird of the smiles
14:42 on 26 September, 2013
I haven’t been to a Kilmarnock v Celtic game since I left Scotland over 14 years ago but the last one I went to my mate got tickets as the guest of a local publican, so we were in with the Killie fans. You get fed up listening to “get intae that Fenian B*****d” after about 5 minutes.nosympathyherecsc
I was at a Killi Celtic game about seven years ago, main stand. Where a guy seated along from me shouted get into these Fenian B’s. I was my self but approached him and challenged him on it, he replied I didn’t shout that… I said ye did pal. He then had the audacity to state, a couple of my pals here are Catholic and I wouldn’t shout that.
Ok ye did… leave it at that, I ain’t no liar…
I didn’t have colours on, but I think he got the message.
HH
Hamiltontim is praying for Oscar
14:46 on
26 September, 2013
I think your opinion is fair enough, given that we haven’t really seen it done before.
If it was a regular occurrence people would know it and be in a position to take an informed risk on whether to get tickets straight away, or hold off to see if more cheaper one’s become available.
I wasn’t trying to say that you shouldn’t be upset. Just suggesting that it is done elsewhere and it could become the norm for football too – on the proviso that people are made aware at that it’s a possibility in advance.
…wouldn’t she a tear for the Killie killie boyos……….
Never really liked Killie as my Auld Man wax a born and bred Ayr Utd supporter so followed them getting lifted over the turnstile in my very young youth.
Johnston has ruined the club, I have a few genuine Killie supporting friends who hate him.
Micktt,
I’m willing to bet some of these troglodytes will shout about orange bar stewards the next week if they were playing ‘them’.
Killie are on a boycott of all home matches trying to force their chairman out. I work with a couple who are very active in whatever their movement is called. They are very nice guys with no love for us but no love for the hillbillies either. Meh.
Back from the beach . 32 degrees at 1pm . Nice .
Sicilian radio pundit peddling this rumor .—–
Pirlo is still mightily miffed about being subbed v Verona .
Pirlo doesn’t get on with Conte . Finds him way too stressing ..
Pirlo wants oot in the next window..
Real Madrid / Chelsea and Manchester Utd are sniffing .
Anybody else ?.
Off oot for some sardines .,way down south.
SFTB
This is an extensive topic, and it is unlikely we’ll cover off all of the main elements in early course, but a couple of observations:
Of the 12 clubs in the top division in Scotland, 10 are solvent and cash positive. Of all the countries in UEFA, Scottish top flight football has most embraced financial prudence, and done so considerably earlier, albeit the imperative to do so was born of individual necessity rather than collective virtue. The clubs are not bankrupt as you put it. They are (relatively) skint. There’s a world of difference.
Related to the above, Scotland is a marginal consumer market, and as such, does not have the critical media mass to matter to the buyers of content. If you want to be number one in the UK media market, you need to be number one in England, and therefore the English game is the battleground for rights. Scotland is no more relevant to media rights buyers than the East Midlands, indeed, less so.
The logical step for Scotland is to acquire scale – media mass – by joining up with those nations similarly marginalised. I have written about it at quite some length previously and won’t bore you with a repeat, but a counter-balance to the media weight and thus the football gravity of the big leagues in Europe is long overdue. However, as with earlier ideas such as the Atlantic League, new ones such as the Balkans federating, Russia and Ukraine merging, the Czechs and Slovaks similarly, there remains deep resistance within the game at large and no progress.
On the matter of youth development, again related to the above, all top clubs in Scotland now have fairly extensive and effective talent development programmes. All of these clubs, with the exception of Celtic, find that their investment in these programmes makes little discernible difference to either their business or their football team because they cannot afford to keep the kids they develop beyond their 2nd season as a professional. The financial return from selling a Fyvie or a Fraser aged 20 barely pays for the structure that developed them, while the team never gets the impact of their talent as it matures through the early 20s into football performance.
Something that is within the gift of the clubs and supporters of the game in Scotland can be done to address this. That something needn’t require seismic change in the wider playing environment or media market to effect meaningful and positive change.
We are a little too apt sometimes to view matters solely through the lens of our own club. Perhaps, if we reground ourselves as Football Supporters rather than Celtic Fans, we might find that what’s good for the Game in Scotland is pretty good for us too.
TBB
“mooted” is not the same as “planned”.
Not the ole CQN moot/planned debate.
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Modern deep resistance within the game at large and no progress is rubbish.
Hibs and Hearts drawn together in the league cup.
Motherwell vs Aberdeen
Morton vs St Johnstone
ICT vs Dundee United
Cracking draws if we’re honest.
Hopefully Hibs and Dundee United get through as well as Aberdeen.
The old mooted/planned debate is moot.
paulsatim-Good luck to Willie,a really good guy.
Some senior clubs in Scottish football could do worse than take a look at the GAA in Ireland for a few tips on how to market the product and arouse the interest in the paying public. This article is interesting and shows at last some effort is being made:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24055866
HH