Atletico Madrid, happy for them? Not an easy one. I remember listening to the radio commentary the night we lost to them in the European Cup semi-final of 1974. They, and Rapid Vienna a decade later, represented very unworthy competitors in European competition.
Both teams returned to Celtic Park in recent seasons. Rapid picked up pretty much where we left them, an odious lot, but Atletico and their fans didn’t seem to bother about the past, they came and left wanting to play football.
As a boy I remember chastising old soldiers who fought the Germans during the war for their persistent aversion to modern Germans and Germany. “They are a new people, nothing to do with the 30s and 40s”, I said.
It feels a bit ridiculous holding a grudge against Atletico. Their achievement last night, and this season so far, has been fantastic. Against the most powerful foes, they might just win the hardest league in the world and the Champions League. This late in the season, that is a stunning prospect to still be on the table. They should be an inspiration to us all.
I see the media is (responsibly) alerting Celtic shareholders to the threat of a share scam apparently being perpetrated against unsuspecting fans by spivs and criminals. Where were they in December 2012?
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RE: Morrissey the 23rd @ 17:19
– I really should take time re-reading posts before hitting enter. I need an edit function on CQN. ;)
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If you are unsure of how you will vote. I urge you to do research, so when polling day comes, you are clear on why you should vote and *what way is best to vote.
BMCW – Feel free to call me at any hour of the day. ;)
Turkeybhoy
To be honest I didn;t want to discuss it too much on here but it crops up quite a bit and you feel you must have a say. I have said my piece over the last few days and probably won’t say much more on it.
We should never be in fear of the Hun though. They should be pitied and laughed at but not feared.
We will make what we will as an inpependent nation. I’m still not convinced it will get voted through anyway.
We will then have the fall out everytime something goes wrong in this country going forward. You see this wouldn;t have happened if we had voted for independence.
It’s all part of life. People will always wnat to blame something for what they have done wrong or what they have failed to do. In the last 5 years I have looked at myself. It is nobodies fault or credit that I am where I am today. I done it all myself. That is one of the reasons I look at this nation and think what can we do on our own? If it doesn;t work out it will be our fault. We have to work at it like anything in life. If we fail we will not be able to blame England or London or the Tories or anyone else. It will be our own doing and in my experience Scotsman and Scotswoman are too proud to fail.
Maybe we might be able to make Scotland better. Who knows? Voting yes is the only way to find out. It is a gamble but that is another component of life. I certainly doubt I will get the chance to vote on this again in my lifetime.
It’s something that I think many people at work and even in bars and public places are not comfortable speaking about. I think that’s why it keeps cropping up on the forum much to other peoples frustration.
Last word on it from me.
LB
Watched the Athletico Madrid – Barcelona game last night and they actually played quite well and seemed a good outside bet at the start of the Champions League at 33/1.
However I also saw them kick Barcelona around the park in the first game in the Camp Nou with their foul-a-minute tactics and it was a miracle that they finished with eleven players on the pitch. I’m afraid I have to disagree with Paul they are still fond of the rough-house tactics.
May not have been quite as bad as the thuggery at Celtic Park in ’74. Do they still have a sizeable Argentenian contingent in the squad?
Thanks for the replies about the Dynamo Kiev game in 67/68.
I can’t see us making the last 8 as things stand. There is quite a gulf between the top 8 or so teams and the next 8. There have been some humpings handed out in the round of 16.
Rioskorrie
14:27 on
Any info on these 2 players – Argentinian Angel Correa of San Lorenzo and Ecuadorian Junior Sornoza of Independiente del Valle, I’ve heard both are great prospects. With our capture of Izzy from the central American market I thought Junior Sornoza may be in our price range out of the 2 players.
thecelt45
£35-£40 with GTL.
HH
bournesouprecipe
17:23 on
10 April, 2014
Thursday……….LG still on front page.
Well,it has been a slow news week.Zybzsek summed it all up perfectly.Not one word about it in any Czech newspaper.Not even sure if it got any column inches in England.
I will say this,if this went to court there would be not the slightest chance of LG being found guilty of “Racism”.The evidence is 99%non existent.How could anyone be remotely convinced LG sang anything,on the evidence of those pictures.
LiviBhoy – God bless wee Oscar
17:24 on
10 April, 2014
Your right stinks to high heaven.
Regarding LG thats about right,however we should not bag him as I believe he was stupid rather than malicious,plus why should Celtic conform to MSM dictates, irrespective how unpalatable the circumstances are.
With apologies to anyone fatigued by yon referendum.
BRTH at 1300
You’re a romantic really.
Asking people of any country if they believe their country “should be independent” is like asking someone if they’d like another birthday. We all want another birthday and countries “should” be independent. (unless you live in Crimea)
But your rhetorical inversion of that proposition is no argument, but then I think you know that.
In an effort to dumb down the debate and to engineer the desired response the question proposed in the referendum is in my opinion, fatuous.
With no context, no qualification, no reflection of the real cost that anyone who thinks their country “should” be independent is prepared to pay then it is not real and simply a romantic, academic exercise. The result, whatever it is, will haunt us for years. Bandwagons are being overhauled and wheels oiled as we speak.
Those who think of voting No are not fearties, nor are those who think of voting Yes some form of Braveheart. Sadly, that is how polarized the rhetoric has become.
The regime in Edinburgh has proved to be as incompetent as the one at Westminster, but they are to be trusted with setting up an independent Scottish Economy? Really?
Since I voted Yes to Devolution in the 1979 referendum, we have two additional levels of representation in Scotland, MSPs and MEPs – is this the sort of greater and more immediate democracy that you have in mind?
Canada’s membership of Nato is a red herring, as is the number of people that some of its weapons can kill in one strike. Billy Connolly’s joke about being comforted in the knowledge that you had been killed by “nice wee conventional weapons” springs to mind.
As for Edinburgh Airport…you must have enjoyed that joke.
As a cautionary tale though, Margaret Thatcher is relevant.
I voted for Yes in 1979 but since only 63% of those who voted said yes to a devolved form of government for Scotland, the 40% of the electorate minimum requirement was not met and the 1978 Scotland Act was repealed. This led to the vote of no confidence in Callaghan’s Labour Government when SNP, Ulster Unionists and Liberals voted with the Conservatives. The subsequent General Election swept Margaret Thatcher to power.
That caution should have ensured that any move towards a Scotland less dependent on its part in the UK, should be informed, valid and free from jingoistic emotion.
The referendum is not important to poor people, to sick people, to hungry people, to homeless people, to unemployed people and many others, because for them nothing will change. Any suggestion that their lot will improve one way or the other after the referendum is sales talk and nothing more.
An uniformed and irrational debate of a fatuously posed, emotionally charged question can only end in tears. Afterwards it will be time for finger pointing and recriminations.
In my opinion of course.
HH
Whit wiz a thinkin aboot , pre-match nerves , a wish she widda talked me ooty this idea :((
RWE
I don`t want any more birthdays……I`ve had enough already 0:-)
JJ
Sorry to but in on IQN, but Sandy Lyle is -3 after 4 holes at Augusta.
HH
JJ
:o)
Own up time.
I stole the line from a Crowded House/Finn Brothers song called Edible Flowers.
HH
thecelt45
17:28 on 10 April, 2014
BT,Bada, Iki, Richie,
Thanks for the heads up!!
Would love to join y’all for a wee dram or three at the Blane, but have some previous arrangements in ML4.
Maybe next time I am across for a visit,
HHS
TC45
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thecelt45
16:41 on 10 April, 2014
Calling all CQN Taxi Tims!
Traveling back to Glasgow tomorrow for the first time in 12+ years and need to get an idea of the average taxi fare from Glasgow Airport to Strathclyde Park. Any info appreciated.
Phone 0141 812 7755, Renfrew Cabs, a lot cheaper than airport bandits
Pete The Beat @16 52
Celtic 1 -Dynamo Kiev 2.
I was there . Kiev were a very good team . Celtic were poor. A mistake by JImmy Johnstone gave them an early goal. Their second goal stemmed from a bad mistake by Big Caesar .
Real rub was that Celtic should have had a bye but an Albanian team withdrew from the competition —
Thecelt45
17:28 on 10 April, 2014
call +441416411234 for a taxi fare quote
Desert Island Tims Revue Part 2:
http://billynowell.com/2014/04/10/desert-island-tims-revue-part-2/
Finn Brothers singing Edible Flowers from the “Everyone is Here” album dedicated to their Mum, Mary Finn.
Album title sounds like the BMCUP soiree on May 10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGhlI_gAvn8
HH
RWE 17.38
Asking people of any country if they believe their country “should be independent” is like asking someone if they’d like another birthday. We all want another birthday
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I beg to differ…….I turned a `fairly good` age last week, I don`t want anymore birthdays!
Turkeybhoy @ 7.09 hrs
Greenpinta.Not possible to name one country that has broken from Britain,and then wished it had not.Never
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With respect I can very quickly name three :-
Afghanistan
Cyprus
Zimbabie ( Rhodesia )
Drat this work is an interference
HH.
Independence from what ?
Wee Betty Windsor and thae English basturts ?
Any monetary union will result in a fiscal union which will result in a banking union .c.
A Yes Vote will see a significant section of the Scottish electorate voting Centre Right.-that will ensure that the Brigadoon milk and honey myth will be nothing but plastic cheese.
Turkeybhoy
Are you a member or supporter of the SNP?
An Tearmann
16:24 on
9 April, 2014
NegAnon2
15:46 on
9 April, 2014
BB05 what makes you think an independent Scotland will tackle Scotland’s shame? All the signs are that it will quite the reverse and the majority will ensure that the minority’s position is undermined at every turn.
Next thing the will hide or lose all the statistics that show attacks on Catholics…….oh wait…..
lets stick then with the considered certainty of the 300 year old layered and institututional bigotry that is the mountainous pile of kack you shout from.
my faith has been in this country for some 1500 years and will be here at the day of calling
that i have no problem in and have total confidence in.
better to be active within than shouting what you think from the outside Neg.
HH.
sorry if this post annoyed you my friend,in non intellectual language,what i am trying to say is the bigotry and the sectarianism are here,always will be and no Y/N referendum will stop nutters like that.It grew in its stinted and hacket way within a social,economic and political system that operated for 300 years.
It is diminishing thankfully,but work is always needed,but it is interesting that myself as a Catholic should pigeonhole the last few years of devolved government and be fearful of that but delete from my memory how your fears and panics historically evolved.
‘better to be active within than shouting what you think from the outside Neg.’
I have read on here your own admission you are a ‘lapsed’ catholic,your choice my friend,everyman free to choose there path of their own free will.
Me,I am a simple practicing Catholic,fused with all the human errors that entails,but if you forgive me for asking in the context of my faith what ‘lapsed’ means?To me your using my faith to augment the victim addict which reeks thro your posts re catholics and how they are treated(oh and please do not think for one second i am negating anyone who like myself has been subjected to it.i am not)
I prefer to step out from that victim mindset and partake in the dynamic and all encompassing faith that has advanced our society,advanced our people(all of them) in shaping Scotland for its betterment at all levels.and it will continue to do so regardless of your fears.
I look forward to having a pint with you sometime where i might pull you up for calling me a Nat,never voted for them in me puff,lab,lib,tory either,but my vote is always used.
ThedoorisalwaysopenCsC
An T
It’s bin a Loatta Fun.. Chums…
Whit hiz?
This Futile…. Go Daddy..
Whit’s That?
A Go Daddy?
Ah thought everybuddy knew THAT!
Anywey… This Argument aboot Which wey wan should Vote ,This September..
HIs Bin…… like Ah Said..
A Loatta Fun.
Howeveahhhhhhhhh..
The Verdict is in..
There Wull be
NAE INDEPENDENCE… fur Scotland.
Ah checked … n .. Double Checked ..
Wi.. Ma Gal Pal..
Alyss le Fey.
You Know her, of course?
N She ..
Intoned.. Alyss, likes tae Intone, ye Know..
She Intoned..
“No Independence For the Scots. N… The Tea Leaves,never Lie.”
Don’t believe her?
Well. Ah dae.
You’ll See!.. Jist You Wait.
Kojo
Still,Laughin
It has already discussed how much money poor wee UEFA lost out on, when Porto, an “unglamourous” club by their standards in media hype, won the cup.
One suspects that they have learned their lesson. Would Athletico be allowed the same travesty?
RWE @ 17.38.
IMO, probably the most informative, balanced and reasonable post today on this subject.
HH to you.
I look forward to having a pint with you sometime where i might pull you up for calling me a Nat,never voted for them in me puff,lab,lib,tory either,but my vote is always used.
:-))))) meant smileys as am nae good at that fighting lark lol
Yeah!! I feature on Desert Island Tims Revue Part 2. My brother and.. sister who post in here both get a mention too. I’m listening to the show just now. My girlfriend is criticising my nervousness and asked who is that singing and playing guitar? I told her it is John Lennon and she replied, ‘Really! It sounds like Awe Naw’. He’ll like that.
Would everyone stop upsetting Ernie Lynch on the #indyref issue please???
Dontcha know he coined the phrase “better together”? :-)
Seem to spend a lot of time scrolling by Independence arguments.
Fair play to you all but doubt you will change anyone’s opinion one way or the other.
I do not have a vote but if I did it would be Yes.
I at the first game against Dynamo Kiev . It was the 66 european cupwinners quarter-final and we had a great victory with 3 storming goals from Murdoch and Gemmell -I think.
Drew the away game and then semi against Liverpool where we was robbed.
The final was in Glasgow with the scouse v Dortmond. I was at that one too with Liverpool getting mugged by the Germans.
Generally lurk every few days but looks like I’m giving that up until October.
This referendum is doin my effin heid in!!!!
Lord Rothschild has been consulted and consequently decreed there shall be no Republic of Scotland. It would create too much administration problems to set up another Central Bank.
So no need to get in a lather Ernie.
Is this the gist of your cryptic message above Kojo?
BobbyRussell
Jungle Jim made the same comment and there have been times ( hanging over a toilet pan in my youth) when I did not want one either. :o)
YNWA
Just read the article but none of the input, I do remember juan carl Lorenz, no capitals on purpose,at one point in the gam he was out of his dugout running up and down the touchline trying to antagonise the Celtic support into re-acting in an adverse way, they had a striker long black curly hair, his name evades me but quite brilliant though not under the tutorship of lorenso.
As you state Paul, A.Madrid have moved on and moved on well and I feel they deserve all the praise they get, in fact looking at the other three teams I would like AM to get to the final.
Bravo AM
HH
I’m giving in, as I have an empty(wife no kids), ssb on and am no disappointed, Guidi BFDJ and delahunt now forensic accountants.
FeckinhilariousCSC
I was at that game in 1974. I think my Da must have taken me because I was way up the back of the Rangers End close to the Main stand, sitting up on a barrier to try see over the crowd. I remember Tommy Callaghan going close in the second half. For all the young Bhoys out there who never saw Jinky, this is a must watch. Talk about heart of a lion. They tried everything to force him out of the game but he kept coming back for more. I think there was a photo of him in the Record a day or two after, and he was black and blue from head to toe. What a man.