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Middlesbrough finished a point off the play-offs in the English Championship last season, which was not enough to save manager, Tony Pulis, from the sack.  Pulis is an experienced hand with teams fighting relegation from the Premiership or looking for promotion to it, having worked at Stoke, Crystal Palace and West Brom.

A month after the sacking, Middlesbrough gave rookie, Jonathan Woodgate, the job, with former Celtic striker, Robbie Keane his assistant.

Football teams have a tendency to overcompensate for their last perceived mistakes when appointing a manager.  Pulis was taken from a regular, if uninspiring, stock.  They have not made that ‘mistake’ with Woodgate.

The former Real Madrid defender will bring colour and excitement to the Riverside, at least in the short-term, but his chances of out-performing Pulis next season are open to debate.  Middlesbrough have the resources to attract managerial talent from most leagues in Europe or South America.  While these territories have worked well for others seeking improvement in England, there are significant risks.

Like Sunderland, who appointed St Mirren manager, Jack Ross, a year ago, they could have looked to less-risky Scotland, but can you name an appropriate candidate who would be up for this one?

Appointing a rookie is a big roll of the dice, to be avoided if possible.  But anyone who tells you appointing a sure-fire success is easy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.  All you can hope to do is avoid sure-fire failures.

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  1. Turnbull allegedly turns down Celtic contract

     

     

    Feel good factor gone after a couple days…

     

     

    Daily Record reporting….

  2. Daily Rag saying Turnbull has rejected terms offered & his agent is trying to flog him to somewhere in England.

     

    Also saying that story about him returning for Medical were not true.

  3. If the Turnbull deal falls through… it won’t be Celtic’s fault.

     

     

    It will be the fault of the agent. Who will put the young lads long term career in jeopardy for the sake of securing £5k more per week. Sad state of affairs.

  4. RUGGYGMAN on 14TH JUNE 2019 5:00 PM

     

    If the Turnbull deal falls through… it won’t be Celtic’s fault.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    It will be the fault of the agent. Who will put the young lads long term career in jeopardy for the sake of securing £5k more per week. Sad state of affairs.

     

     

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    The implication isn’t even that Celtic shortchanged him.

     

     

    It describes the offer from Celtic as lucrative.

  5. This could be all posturing of course. Drive up his wages at Celtic.

     

     

    I doubt the lad dreams of playing for Barnsley or signing for Bournemouth to go out on loan.

     

     

    Football is a grubby business.

  6. I’ll speculate, hazard a guess on this…

     

     

    Being 19, and with still much to prove, Celtic have maybe proposed in the region of £6k – £8k per week.

     

     

    On the agents advice, they want £12k -£14k per week. With the agent stedfast that he can secure Turnbull £16k + from an English Championship club / move.

     

     

    I hope Celtic stand firm and don’t bow to their greed.

  7. Someone close to the lad… his family etc. should advice him to make a footballing move and not a money move. Or risk being the next David Goodwillie.

  8. Go tell the Spartim on

    If he doesn’t want to play for Celtic then ‘see ya’

     

     

    Wontlosesleepoverhim CSC

  9. If the deal falls through it won’t be Celtic’s fault but what odds that we will still have Posters blaming Pedro.

  10. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    Well that is a strange turn of events.

     

     

    Wasn’t there a story about Turnbull staying at Motherwell when Celtic/Sevco previously came calling as it was beneficial for his development?

     

     

    It would be strange to change tact now and go to England to a lesser team for the sake of money.

  11. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    @ CORKCELT on 14TH JUNE 2019 5:07 PM

     

     

    No one knows what the offer is save for Celtic saying it is a “significant offer in line with the club’s wage structure”.

     

     

    Is that in line with a wage for a 19 year old or a £3m player? Who knows.

     

     

    It would be very disappointing to fail to get this over the line.

  12. Official CFC

     

     

    Currently, we have been unable to come to an agreement with the player’s agent.

     

     

    Celtic FC is content that it has made a magnificent offer and it is now up to the agent and player to decide if the player wants to join Celtic.

     

     

    If not, we move on.

  13. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    @ HENRY JOY on 14TH JUNE 2019 5:14 PM

     

     

    Where is that coming from?

  14. !!Bada Bing!! on

    They will get their money from another Club, unusual to comment but we were quite right to defend our position

  15. Call_of_Juarez on

    David Turnbull is not a Tim. He may not wish to play for us.

     

     

    Get young Hendo in the gym. Put 20 lbs on him and get him in the team.

  16. THE HANDS CANT HIT WHAT THE EYES CANT SEE on 14TH JUNE 2019 5:09 PM

     

    @ CORKCELT on 14TH JUNE 2019 5:07 PM

     

     

     

    No one knows what the offer is save for Celtic saying it is a “significant offer in line with the club’s wage structure”.

     

     

     

    Is that in line with a wage for a 19 year old or a £3m player? Who knows.

     

     

     

    It would be very disappointing to fail to get this over the line.

     

     

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    Your not seriously dsuggesting that Celtic should ignore the fact that he is 19?

  17. Turnball ?

     

     

    Turncoat more like.

     

     

    We move on – to NIAR ya Lanarkshire Scheidt Hawks !

  18. We will get the blame Bourne but I can’t stee any way back for Turnbull after the Celtic Tweet, IMO the deal is dead, I hope we haven’t told Rakeem Harper to look elsewhere,

     

    I know it’s easy to say it now but I did feel uneasy with the initial Motherwell announcement. It did seem a bit premature. It alerted a host of other Clubs, all they had to do was ring Turnbull’s agent and promise to trump Celtic’s wage offer.

  19. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on 14th June 2019 5:18 pm

     

    Ex Hotspur player, agent, so he sez anyway

  20. Good on Celtic being clear and open with the support.

     

     

    Mind yer Bentley doesn’t get scratched in Barnsley…………………….

  21. bournesouprecipe

     

     

    “….the situation has developed not necessarily to Celtic’s advantage…”

  22. Nae offence to the wee dick… but hope he becomes a Lewis McLeod / John Fleck, non entity.

     

     

    Your welcome.

  23. RUGGYGMAN on 14TH JUNE 2019 5:30 PM

     

    Nae offence to the wee dick… but hope he becomes a Lewis McLeod / John Fleck, non entity.

     

     

     

    Your welcome.

     

     

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    McGinn and John Fleck are both EPL players.

     

     

    It’s you’re btw.

  24. Mahe

     

     

    Who misled me?

     

    Its who misled us and like answered before it was the two guys running this site and the boardroom.

     

    How did they misled us?

     

    By going a useless direction

     

    Was it deliberate?

     

    Aye, say so and many see it that way.

     

     

    They misled you by going in a different direction??? Yet, you were free to take your own path. Their direction, if they had one, compelled nothing in you.

     

    Were you always fooled by them? When did you see through it? Were you an earnest advocate of their path and are now a converted zealot? At which of these stages, were you responsible for your own actions and beliefs? Could it be that you are now being misled and are yet to discover this?

     

    “Many people see it that way” is neither evidence nor proof. Many people see Brexit as a good idea, many voted for Trump as president and many buy records by Justin Beiber.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Why didnt I do something?

     

     

    At the time it seemed I didnt need to as there were many people working on different directions that we were told would do damage. No need for me then.

     

     

    I now realise that we were failed by our leaders at the time I am determined never to let us trust the wrong people again.

     

     

    There were many people at the time who were critical of the approach. Tony Donnelly spoke for the “you’re all just a bunch of childish agitators who know nothing about running a football club” wing. And other posters were saying volubly from early on- not to involve the club/plc as they could not be trusted (Awe Naw and kitalba, I recall reaching that view very early on in proceedings). And the vast majority of the support were unaware, under-informed and not too bothered by the issue so there were a variety of paths and responses available to you. If it turns out that I was wrong in the path I took, as a supporter, I will take full responsibility for this. It will be no one’s fault but mine. I may occasionally act and talk like a child but I can fool no-one- I am an adult and I am responsible for my views.

     

     

     

    My pitchfork,,,Me and Micks website is my pitchfork and Im happy with how I wield it. Many are.

     

     

    It’s another blog, and good luck with it, but it’s really not a pitchfork and well you know it. Union Bears’ causes may be risible but they, at least, now the difference between a social media moan and an anti-social march.

     

     

     

    Evidence of misleading,,,well we arent where we set out to go . Seems misled to me.

     

     

    When I follow the Sat Nav instructions faithfully and end up in the wrong place, I can blame Sat Nav. When I read a Map and end up in the wrong because I was holding it upside down, the fault is mine. Being in the wrong place does not mean you were misled.

     

     

     

    “ The reason it comes close to an insult, is that it attributes pliability and inhibition to the misled, BY SOMEONE or SOME PEOPLE. “

     

     

    No messing Sherlock we got played full stop.

     

     

    I keep asking for the evidence, even Sherlock relies on evidence but you , again, give me none. “Full Stop” is not evidence or argument. You might just as well type – Fact!

     

     

     

     

    “ Any failures in this regard are all our own “ Never a truer word spoken. Over my dead body will we get played again in such a fashion.

     

     

    If my word is true, and you believe it, then blame yourself, not others, for taking the wrong path. If, indeed, you did take it.

     

     

     

    “ Why wait until September? “ Every other day or there abouts I try to sway more souls to the cause of standing up for ourselves and a better Glasgow Celtic. I aint sittin around twiddling thumbs bro.

     

     

    Everybody wants a better Celtic. There is no grouping amongst us who wishes for a poorer Celtic.

     

    I reckon it would be quite easy to organise a protest by Celtic Fans- FAC managed it and I was there and so was Kev J and many others, CQNrs and non-CQNrs, with widely different views on the running of Celtic.

     

     

    You would get more of a turn out for a Protest March on any of the following Top Ten suggestions than you would on Res. 12 and the Silence of the Board, at this point in time. Only a result from Auldheid’s perseverance is going to change that:-

     

     

    Let us have Pyro at CP!

     

    Buy us another £10m forward cos Eddy ain’t a CF!

     

    Build Almore’s Cafe!

     

    Stop the Council Traffic Restriction Proposals around CP!

     

    Improve the quality of Pies!

     

    Get us a foreign manager!

     

    Can we play Sevco more often!

     

    Enlarge the Standing Section!

     

    Play 2 men up front!

     

    Hang the Green Brigade and their Pyro!

     

     

    Obviously March 10 would have a different demographic from Marches 1 & 8.

     

     

     

    “ it is the absence of evidence for it that causes me the difficulty in joining you on the “enlightened” side. “

     

     

    Bro bracketing enlightened isnt nice. Im just calling it how I see and have never ever claimed nor would I to be smarter or better than anyone of the fine people that inhabit Celtic cyberspace.

     

     

    Yep, it’s as pointedly hurtful as presenting yourself as Woke and other people as, what was the phrase?- “having blind faith”. Words are dangerous and easily misused.

     

     

     

    As for evidence,, evidence of what? Us being misled? Can I prove that someone deliberately set out to stop us reaching a desired course of action?

     

     

    THe PLCs refusal to back res12 and the subsequent silence of whoever writes the leaders on here is all the evidence I and many need. Would it stand up in a court of law,,no idea.

     

     

    Oh! I think you do.

     

     

    It would not get by the junior’s desk on the Procurator Fiscal’s Office. It is, clearly, NOT evidence; it does not even share territory with the word. It lies in the same basket as “a lot of people think the same as me”.

     

     

     

    “ Well, CQN allowed support and views on the Res 12 debate- it did not censor, or shape any sheep-like mass into accepting anything, because there is no sheep-like mass amongst our support. “

     

     

    They could hardly disallow it. THe blog would have died. And allowing people to talk about a subject on here does not automatically mean support.

     

     

    Nope- but it is, yet again, not the tactic that would be used by someone shaping the debate and attempting to spin, mislead and deflect- which is the accusation you are making. If some Svengali was attempting to dupe the Celtic support into not believing the issues around Res. 12 they would have acted like James Traynor and his cohorts did. We know what spin against the Celtic support looks like and it looks nothing like CQN or Kerrydale Street or The Huddleboard or E-Tims or The Celtic Blog or Sentinel Celts.

     

     

    The blog never died when we have so many topics to talk about: dugs, lists, Christina Hendricks, puns, transfer rumours, laughing at the Huns, slagging the pretensions of the EPL, bemoaning the gerrymandering of FIFA and UEFA, toasted/roasted cheese, quizzes, and songs (Please come back Babasonicos- I have not heard a new band since you left CQN)

     

     

     

    “ CQN did allow the platform for fans to inform each other about such things as crc’s fundraising efforts, the Res 12 debate and the efforts of FAC and the Celtic Trust, amongst others. It did not insist anyone take part and it never sought to prevent anyone taking part. If anyone believes they were misled, then as a grown sentient adult, you should accept that you allowed yourself to be misled or even, misled yourself. It is juvenile thinking to say, I went along with it because nobody on CQN showed me an alternative way.”

     

     

    No it did not insist and never should any blog insist its posters do something as we dont take orders but as the biggest Celtic blog on the internet the people operating the site in my opinion had a moral responsibility to try to the best for the fans and Glasgow Celtic.

     

     

    Paul67 has no greater Moral Responsibility than you or I. And an inanimate blog like CQN has even less. We are not acolytes waiting to be told. In fact, the common reaction, even today, is to question why a Blog article or theme is even considered important when it is on something as unimportant to us, as Middlesborough (especially when you mistake Middlesborough as the Theme in Paul’s article). So much for his influence and ability to dictate.

     

     

    If anyone reading this thinks that responsibility was met please explain to me how.

     

     

    The biggest Celtic site ended up doing jack.

     

     

    It ended up doing what most blogs do- giving a platform to its readership. If I am not taken with Paul’s leader, I just merrily post what I wanted to say anyway, disregarding his preferred topic. I don’t need to call him out because he did not think of the same thing as me and I don’t feel any need to apologise to him for ignoring his topic.

     

     

    That to me is failure,,of all of us and I am determined to never let it happen again by making sure there are totally independent Celtic fans site who’s patrons will follow their hearts and do what they feel is best for the fans and Club, not what others wish them to do.

     

     

     

    “ It was only due to the lack of enthusiasm for pitchfork action. “

     

     

    Nope,,people thought they were helping and tried. If told we must hit the streets they would have,,I dont doubt that one bit. If I did doubt that I would stop writing articles encouraging people to stand up for themselves and their beliefs.

     

     

    Genuinely. Good luck with that resolution! tell the people on Sentinel Celts to hit the streets- you have the same platform to do so as Paul has. If the reason for hitting the streets is compelling, I will join you. But- a word of warning- getting more than two Celts to agree to the same thing can be problematic. It can be like herding cats. We can split more rapidly and frequently than the Judean People’s Front. But, give us an identifiable Common Enemy and evidence of what they have done and there will be a response.

     

     

    I recall a very strong lead article years ago that told us plans were being discussed to gateshare and this was the ultimate chop Celtic down at the knees ploy.

     

     

    Paul blogged if they do this we are hitting the streets and this blog unified behind that sentiment.

     

     

    Back in the day the sway and pull was there I reckon.

     

     

    I should have put that one in my Top Ten- but, unfortunately, it was a threat that was quickly dropped and never put to the test.

     

     

    The pen is much mightier than the sword and I realised that at a very young age when regularly we would be handed leaflets or stop and listen to a fella explaining that the Sassenach would never ever crush our spirit and that every dead son’s body they give us is another nail in their coffin and just makes us fight and yearn for freedom that bit harder.

     

     

    I read words that would make you cry bro. And steel you heart.

     

     

    The correct words were unsaid. Thats why we didnt hit the streets.

     

     

    Words and songs were powerful tools in the Irish Struggle (though, unfortunately, we cannot limit the evil visited upon Ireland, solely to Sassenachs- Scotland and Wales provided some of the rogues too).

     

     

    But, even powerful leaflets took second place to the Rising and the armed resistance during “The Troubles”, and the final aim remains unfulfilled.

     

     

    Words alone will not do it.

     

     

     

    “ Any failures in this regard are all our own”

     

     

    Yeah true but we all must recognise that we have been failed by those who were considered our leaders and we thought would surely stand up and do whats right.

     

     

    I cannot state this any more clearly.

     

     

    Paul 67 is not my leader- he just writes lead articles on CQN.

     

     

    He is not yours either.

     

     

    There are many people I respect and admire. There’s even a small bunch I would lay down my life for. But there’s no-one I will blindly follow.

     

     

    If you do anything blindly, you will bump into things and hurt yourself. It’s not a good look.

  25. Celtic can’t break the wage structure for Turnbull. We’ve a squad full of treble winners that won’t take kindly to Turnbull coming in and getting more than them.

     

     

    The deal is dead. Celtic have made clear they’re not making an improved offer.

     

     

    I don’t blame Turnbull. If the lad can earn a lot more in England then that’s what he’ll do. We move on.

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