Middlesbrough finished a point off the play-offs in the English Championship last season, which was not enough to save manager, Tony Pulis, from the sack. Pulis is an experienced hand with teams fighting relegation from the Premiership or looking for promotion to it, having worked at Stoke, Crystal Palace and West Brom.
A month after the sacking, Middlesbrough gave rookie, Jonathan Woodgate, the job, with former Celtic striker, Robbie Keane his assistant.
Football teams have a tendency to overcompensate for their last perceived mistakes when appointing a manager. Pulis was taken from a regular, if uninspiring, stock. They have not made that ‘mistake’ with Woodgate.
The former Real Madrid defender will bring colour and excitement to the Riverside, at least in the short-term, but his chances of out-performing Pulis next season are open to debate. Middlesbrough have the resources to attract managerial talent from most leagues in Europe or South America. While these territories have worked well for others seeking improvement in England, there are significant risks.
Like Sunderland, who appointed St Mirren manager, Jack Ross, a year ago, they could have looked to less-risky Scotland, but can you name an appropriate candidate who would be up for this one?
Appointing a rookie is a big roll of the dice, to be avoided if possible. But anyone who tells you appointing a sure-fire success is easy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. All you can hope to do is avoid sure-fire failures.
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The reality is that Brendan Rodgers was a draw for signing targets as a coach with a reputation for developing and improving players.
Players might sacrifice a bit of money for that, knowing the rewards would come later.
Maybe Turnbull will still come. Maybe he won’t. Maybe he’ll go somewhere he thinks he will get better coaching. Or more money. Or more games. Maybe he will stay where he is a bit longer. Big decision for a 19 year old. A bad decision could set him back a lot.
I like what I have seen of him. Definitely not our priority position though.
I’d really,really love it if Turdbull and his agent came back and apologised for a ‘misunderstanding ‘and Celtic told them to take a hike.
Nowheresville then pay Motherwell 1.5m and offer 75% of Celtic’s wages.
Danso_1888 !8:52
Those who found Paul`s article difficult to understand won`t have the same problem with your offering.
JJ
Turntablebullocks mare like
AME – REJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgBLAA7eCC0
Well maybe they will if they go to 18:52. I, of course, meant 8:52.
Mike in Toronto
Mike, there area number of versions of the 5 Way Agreement, 4-5 or so, of which I have seen two. Knowledge of and signing said agreement is of course two different things, tell you one that did sign the final version though, our new President of the SFA. Paul67 hinted the other day that the said agreement may prevent the SFA from proceeding re Resolution 12, and indeed may already have done so last summer, surprised he didn’t follow that up today, given that PhilMac addressed it yesterday, that one of our own, Auldheid, commented on it here and there. Paul thinks the impetus to take the issues raised by Res.12 to the CAS lies with the SFA, but I’m not convinced, I believe last year’s decisions re Res.12, mean that there is no vehicle for, and no route to Geneva from Glasgow. As in you cannot get there from here.
Re Mika’s situation, I like him a lot, but he has lost a bit of pace, (not that he had much to start with) and this would undoubtedly cost us, especially against better quality opposition. His situation, and support for him on here, and amongst the wider Celtic support reminds me of Kriss Commons’ situation a few years ago. Celtic, at the end of his contract, seemed to me to fold a bit in negotiations and offered him a new two year deal to placate the support. The outcome? A waste of two years high wages, as he never played for us again. He didn’t even make the bench in the last season. Would Mika be the same? Dunno, but it’s not my decision to make anyway.
PHILBHOY
How ye doin big yin? Keep missing you on here. I have not been posting much, but do lurk most days. Hope you and family are well. HH.
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Agents and players get greedy. The Celtic offer seems a good one, perhaps more than agent and client expected. Rather than settling for this, they’ve allowed their heads to be turned and now believe that if they can get this money north of the border, there must be untold riches waiting for the wunderkind down south.
He may be a decent player. I don’t know, but I do think that, regardless of objective evaluations of a player’s skills, the transfer market creates its own crazy momentum at this time of the year and sometimes “decent” becomes “stunning”, “brilliant”, “the next ….. (fill in superstar name)”.
Turnbull? Far far too ugly for us. There is a team over the river where his type are welcome though…. have you seen a handsome hun?…….. no-o, no-o ?
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Let me see if I’ve understood this correctly; a Motherwell youth player and his agent want us to sit on a £3 million deal and wait to see if they get a better offer from England? Well I have two little words for that ” … and don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out, alright?”
https://thecelticblog.com/2019/06/blogs/celtic-should-not-wait-another-minute-we-should-tear-up-turnbulls-offer-right-now/
Extrawelt – Soooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdl7PZmlGQI
The Argentine GK got the Marigolds on that penalty
JAMES FORREST
Couldn’t agree more. Nail, head, hammer.
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Unfortunately, David Turnbull and his agent misheard Michael Stewart’s assessment of Turnbull. MS actually said “ Turnbull reminded him of Michael’s Bollocks.”
Meanwhile in another part of the planet an Argentinian goalkeeper who was being slagged off as being useless by the commentators is giving a WOTM performance.
Johnmcginn lessons…worth a whole less
Hh
Night night
Twitter is the preferred communication vehicle for many organisations.
Celtic are absolutely spot on to voice their unambigious feelings
In the past we were condemned for lack of communication with the fans. I prefer it this way.
C’est la vie.
Nothing to worry about with this Turnbull stuff in my opinion.
Firstly, the the agent has obviously had an offer from elsewhere, otherwise he is not doing his job.
Secondly, the boy could be having second thoughts, if either of the above is true them we have missed out on nothing.
You dont miss what you never had.
JAMES FORREST – 9:05 PM
Indeed
GlasgowBhoy – if you have a car and you’ve got the time go south to Mantua (Mantova). It’s about half an hour from Lake Garda and it’s gorgeous.
LAFAN on 14TH JUNE 2019 6:29 PM
Celtic are the only team to agree a fee with Motherwell at the moment ,any other interested parties must match celtics bid,before talking terms.
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That’s the surprising thing about all this – his agent has turned down a significant pay rise for Turnbull in the hope that someone from England matches Celtic’s transfer offer to Motherwell. I would suggest that would have already happened had thir been real interest down in England.
As it is, Celtic need to withdraw the offer and look elsewhere immediately. We don’t want a summer long transfer saga over Turnbull. Learn the lessons of last summer and move on now, Celtic.
CORKCELT @ 8:42 PM,
Hope you enjoyed your walk. What a lovely part of the world you come from.
Yes, think Lenny said he’d had a word with Mikael without his representatives, maybe a misunderstanding. I’m also aware of the nature of contracts and obligations.
Yet do you have to rip the a$$ out of every deal?
Celtic should have done there business behind closed doors, made a decision and struck with it… tbe ghuy deserved that in my book. I didn’t read his Norwegian interview as a ghuy making a pitch, it seemed to me someone who was genuinely upset.
Why do we have sports psychologists doing their utmost to motivate our Athletes and while our suits crush them…
He thought he deserved better and so do I.
The tone of the CQN article on it epitomizes for me what our executive are about…
“…I am not sure when Celtic’s option expires, but If they get a satisfactory replacement, Mikael will be allowed to leave, if not, he will stay.
This is the football business. It is harsh…
…I really like Mikael and I know we need cover for every position, but even the good guys sometimes have to wait under the terms of their contract for a decision, and they all need to move on one day.”
We can see the same attitude here.
https://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/pay-4m-or-wait-171-days-for-mcginn-pre-contract/
Do you think Celtic PLC treat their business partners this way? Do you think they take this “harsh” attitude with the alcohol & gambling barons we deal with… of course not.
Why not just say thanks for your immense contribution Mik, we can’t extend the deal – good luck to you and your family.
Hail Hail
Why have I been deleted mod
How can you possibly have an argument/debate on here if somebody sits and decides that everything bsr,sftb,big wavy and any other board lover can have the floor but ,and it’s the new excuse ,anyone from another blog get scrubbed.Yet people here are accusing sentinel of being one dimensional ?
An dun @9.29
Agree , withdraw offer immediately and move on.
Turnbull has had his chance.
Celtic bid £3m for a 19yr old and offer wages of £8k to £10k a week, maybe slightly less, for 5 years, that’s £416,000 pa @19yrs old. He would be going to a club where, like many before him, his potential and ambitions could be realised and if DT or his agent look back they’d realise that if DT were to have an outstanding season for us then PL would be improving his deal pdq, as has happened before with players shining, then being rewarded with an improved contract. If he wanted to leave after 2 or 3 years then he’d certainly be getting a better gig than Barnsley to mull over.
CannyseethewoodforthetreesCSC
BADA-I had until Sunday to buy a driver of eBay,I had bid £55,they wanted £66!
We settled on £60?
I think Turnbulls agent will settle to ?
Some speculation that Derby will move for Gerrard when Lampard takes over at Chelsea. I think it would be a good move for Gerrard and the the Huns would take the money.
Fairhill Bhoy
I never saw what was deleted but the rule on here has always been that the Mods don’t explain their decisions.
You have to e-mail Paul to discuss it.
BTW- don’t know about the others you name but some of my posts HAVE been deleted. It’s a large club
A wee question for any legal Bhoys. What is the legal standing of the Five Way Agreement? Has it been challenged? Or could it be? Would such an Agreement have a time limit?
THE HANDS CANT HIT WHAT THE EYES CANT SEE on 14TH JUNE 2019 7:56 PM
@ !!BADA BING!! on 14TH JUNE 2019 7:51 PM
If Sevco made that statement we would be pissing ourselves.
Agents are notorious for this kind of behaviour. Their mandate is to get the best deal for their client (which presumably equates to “most money now”). We will be making statements weekly if we get pissed with an agent everytime he demands more money for his client
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This transfer has had leaks from beginning to end. Had Celtic not issued a statement, this forum would be in meltdown about penny pinching.
The transfer is obviously dead in the water and Celtic are handling the PR aspect of the breakdown and issuing a warning to other agents – the Club will not be bounced into breaking Daley structures.
It does make you wonder who the mods are on here,they surely don’t just sit and watch this place,cos it would be a long day most days.Its got to be someone who is on the blog and is a contributor?surely eh
*salary
Sftb-I can only take your word for that,because I’ve never seen anything deleted from you.
You and mahe were having a really good discussion the other day,I honestly could see both sides but then mahe tells us he had had posts deleted.Now come on,if you are having a beer in the pub with someone and you can’t hear everything that’s being said how can you form a proper argument
BSR
I am glad that Eurochamps is chilled and I can understand why people get needled by careless words and different viewpoints.
I just don’t think it’s healthy for either blog to get into a beef with each other, especially as we have a large group of people who will involve themselves with both.
My post to Eurochamps would have looked more balanced if I had done what I meant to do and get a comment in about the criticism you got for your internet bampots comment. I do think that each blog should police its own and some of the things said about GFTB on Sentinel Celts were twisted and wrong.
We can do without people carrying tales from one blog to the other – the jacket holders clamouring for a fight- which is why I pulled Big Packy up on this but I genuinely believe that Mahe and BMCUWP and others on there want to make their own way without it being an anti-CQN blog
And we need to do the same on here.
We’re all just different Celtic pubs. You’re allowed to have a favourite but you don’t have to hate all the rest.
Mahe/SFTB
Whilst looking for something else I came across this blog from 12 June 2018.
The comments to that blog are interesting too but it was the final sentence that got me thinking.
Is the delay in the JPDT investigating not very fortunate for Petrie and why have Celtic left pushing the SFA since 25th June 2018 to shareholders at considerable costs even when provided with evidence suggesting the licence was granted under false pretences?
Dots being joined some which are not evidenced backed some are but tell a plausible story.
Petrie survival and Gary Hughes 252
BY PAUL67 ON 5TH JUNE 2018 CQN BLOG & COMMENTS
Let’s be clear, the role of president of the SFA is one of the most sought-after in football. Alongside the FA, FA of Wales and Irish FA, the Scottish FA hold one of the four permanent members of the International Football Association Board – the body which controls the rules of the game and exerts soft influence on all structures below it, including Fifa.
Current SFA vice president, Rod Petrie, has his sights set on the job when current president, Alan McRae, retires. Rod has a problem, though. He was chair of the SFA Licensing Committee in March 2011, when Oldco Rangers were licenced to participate in Uefa competition the following season.
That decision is now under scrutiny, as High Court evidence forced the Association to examine what happened at the time. If Petrie is to survive in office long enough to assume the position of president, he needs allies who prepared to back him over what he did, or did not do, in March 2011.
How he is getting on with this I don’t know, but what we know for sure is that he backed Dave King’s call to have Gary Hughes removed from the SFA board over his “great unwashed” comment from years ago. Petrie is no friend of Newco, but there is co-dependency there. Gary Hughes was collateral damage.
Petrie should be recused from any work in connection with the awarding of a Uefa licence to Rangers in 2011. This award was made under his supervision yet he has remained active in how it is examined – a concerning governance failure. If the Licensing Committee is found to have failed to uphold its responsibilities, Petrie must go.
Was it not Motherwell who broke the story that the deal was agreed in the first place?
Against Celtic’s wishes i would assume if the deal wasnt actually signed and sealed
Celtic probably felt they had no choice but to get in front of the story before bloggers, social media and the msm put their spin on it.
Dont know the guy Turnbull but i cant see us signin him now and cant say i really care
The beer in that other pub is crap… :-)
A St Mirren fan in work last night asked if I was happy that the lad Turnbull was signing, he assumed that it was a done deal, I said it is not certain that he will.
Any game (possibly only 1 anyway) I have seen him, I have not noticed him but I normally only watch oot for Celtic players.
Celtic never announce things until they are sorted Transfer wise…. I know the announcement of Neil returning is unique howevaaaah…..so when Motherwell went public midweek I had my doubts big time about this transfer happening.
Ewan Henderson (I’d say he is valued more than the boy Turnbull in the ww fitba World) to me is the player that needs to be given the chance to get in the Team and stay there.
Leave the offer on the table for a week at most then remove it and spend the cashboolah elsewhere on the First Team.