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Martin O’Neill takes us to school again

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I caught parts of Ireland’s win over Bosnia last night, then read the odd truculent comment about their style. Bosnia are a decent team. They reached the last World Cup and would have reached France, if Ireland didn’t put on a classic Martin O’Neill performance.

Football is a game of systems and Martin’s defensive system is perhaps one of the most effective in Europe. Good enough to get the better of Germany over two games and eliminate Bosnia. The goal Shaun Maloney scored against Ireland at Celtic Park was exceptional, while Scotland’s goal in Dublin was a deflection, any defence is susceptible to exceptional and deflected efforts.

If Ireland had attempted to play the ranging 30 yard passes which Bosnia used to put the home team under pressure, they would have lost the game last night. It’s hard to escape comparisons with our own European performances this season. Robust in Amsterdam, but expansive and vulnerable elsewhere.

The first job of any team is to make itself hard to beat. Martin’s been in the game a long time, and managed this from the off at Celtic, at home, anyway. His systems in the road in Europe failed. Apart from Amsterdam, of course.

The Winds of Change, Managing Celtic 1991 – 2005, published by CQN, is out TODAY, available on the relaunched CQN Bookstore! Alex Gordon, who wrote the prequel, Caesar & the Assassin, covering Billy McNeill and Davie Hay’s time as Celtic manager, leads us from Liam Brady’s time to the end of Martin’s era in 2005.

Celtic transformed beyond recognition during this period. Liam Brady, then ‘Luigi’ Macari managed Celtic through perhaps our most turbulent periods, before everything changed. Fergus McCann arrived, be brought in Tommy Burns and together we built a stadium.

The ultimate prize (as winning the league was then regarded) had to wait until 1998, during Wim Jansen’s short but historic time in charge. Fergus left us with Dr Jo, a man he wished he’d met earlier in his tenure, before the magnificent (cough) John Barnes era, and King Kenny’s League Cup.

Then Martin O’Neill came and took us all to school. We learned things about football that we didn’t know before.

Alex Gordon was a working journalist through this period and gained excellent access and insight into the club and our managers. Forewords by Billy McNeill and Davie Hay.

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  1. Jungle Jim Hot Smoked on

    Andrew Kerins

     

    Some are saying it was not as simple as booing. Here is one comment:

     

    ” In any event, after PKK terrorists kill someone in Turkey, people chant this. Below is a proof from one Turkish Premier League match:

     

     

    Same slogan “Şehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”.

     

     

    And also, they booed the terrorist, not the victims. Any victims of terrorism are accepted as martyrs in Turkish culture. There is no disrespect to them, there has not been, there will not be.”

     

     

    The slogan, according to the author , is in support of the victims.

     

     

    Anyway, this topic is not for me. I simply Googled to see what you were referring to and came across the above. Hypocricy of the West was also mentioned ie many other cultures have suffered but no minute`s silence for `their` victims.

     

     

    JJ

  2. Jungle Jim Hot Smoked on

    Bognorbhoy

     

     

     

    “sorry ……. the shields gazette ….”

     

     

    Ah ! That makes a difference ! 0:-))

     

     

    JJ

  3. Jungle Jim Hot Smoked on

    Parkheadcumsalford:

     

    “£10 million for Nir Bitton is a joke.”

     

     

    It may well be a joke so I would wait until a more reliable source ie Celtic FC , says something about it.

     

     

    JJ

  4. TONYDONNELLY67 on 18TH NOVEMBER 2015 9:59 AM

     

    Or you can download the app for ….CELTIC NEWS NOW…it’s a good site, updates all day, gets you…James Forrest, Phil, Paul67, The Clumpany, and lots of others, good site as I said.

     

     

    I follow them on facebook ………..as you say updates all day .

     

     

    R.I.P. Jonah lomu so young , so sad

     

     

    HH

  5. Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma on

    CANAMALAR on 18TH NOVEMBER 2015 5:24 AM

     

    BRTH,

     

     

     

     

    As usual, apologies for my drivel, stupidity and bad manners.

     

     

     

     

    And thank you for everything you are doing and have done for Res 12.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    And this is, if I understand what it says is dynamite

     

     

     

     

     

     

    “Interestingly, in the very same articles, certain provisions make direct reference to the legal status of a “shareholder” of a member club and specify that such shareholders carry obligations to the association and have rights whereby they can seek redress in the event of the articles being breached.”

     

     

     

     

     

     

    This looks to be the BOOM we have been looking for ?

     

     

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    Canamalar

     

     

    The difficulty with all of this is hat the whole conundrum is a mixture of law and politics.

     

     

    Nothing new or unique in that, but in many respects the law, and the spirit of those laws, can only be applied if the politics dictates that enough people want to apply the law.

     

     

    At the current time you have to wade through the politics before you can get to the meaning of the legals — and by the way I am not an advocate of the legals being the be all and end all.

     

     

    The law is always the court of last resort. It is where you go to enforce a position rather than simply agree one. It is for that reason, legal statutes, precedent cases, rules, regulations, articles and so on are meant to produce a position in law that is finite and clear.

     

     

    Alas, that is sometimes never the case because lawyers, by training, by practice, by force of habit after years and years tend to complicate things in an attempt to cover every base and every eventuality.

     

     

    If you like, they seek to find a counter to every possible squirrel as opposed to simply laying down the principles which set out who you should deal with any old squirrel in the event that they pop up.

     

     

    TSFN is an interesting forum with some good contributors. However, like CQN at times, I have been away from it for a prolonged period simply due to my wish to do other things and spend time elsewhere on things which have nothing to do with football.

     

     

    With legal cases, one of the best reasons a solicitor can bring in a counsel on behalf of the client is because a counsel comes to the case fresh with no pre conceived views of this or that.

     

     

    Clients and even lawyers of all sorts can live with a case for so long that each and every day they start out on the same route and view as a matter of habit and out of sheer belief that is the way to go.

     

     

    I have been there and worn that T sirt before.

     

     

    Where I stand now is that I am much more of a Trotskyist in that you start each day completely challenging your own position. Start somewhere else — not just from the opposition point of view — but fom a completely different position than that held by anyone previously.

     

     

    The SFA articles are not clear as day, nor are they as clear as mud.

     

     

    They were written in 1994 and then changed after the Rangers debacle but they do set out some basic rules and principles and have the force of law. They are contractual. They are not based on fair play, sporting advantage, or what might be considered by some to be mere “rules of the game”.

     

     

    They are the articles of a company, limited by guarantee, written down and recorded, and accepted and adopted by each and every party who holds a share in that company.

     

     

    They are the keystones setting out what is expected and demanded of each shareholder.

     

     

    Within their compass, there are articles that recognise that each member club may well have shareholders and, for example, it prohibits a person from holding a significant shareholding or interest in more than one club.

     

     

    That means that the SFA as a company, recognise that someone with a shareholding in a member club has a special status as a result of that individual’s shareholding. To me, that is interesting because if the SFA can examine the status of a club’s shareholders, then the reverse must be true and that a club shareholder can examine the activities and attitude of the SFA board and its governance.

     

     

    Similarly, the same articles clearly give each club, and those with an interest in those clubs, a right of redress against another club, or indeed the SFA themselves, breaching the rules or articles and so causing that club to suffer consequential loss or damage.

     

     

    LNS never considered any of that and, as you say, introduced the concept of “sporting advantage” arisung from technically correct or technically incorrect registration of players.

     

     

    It is a perfectly valid legal argument, but by God it is not the only one and it is not even the fundamental basis from which all football rules start — as they are contained within the SFA articles which, if I recall correctly, are paramount and are to be preferred over any SPL pr SPFL regulations.

     

     

    What is clear in all of this is that the Football Authorities have fudged the Rangers issue for all sorts of reasons from the start.

     

     

    That is not the fault of Rangers fans — and indeed they have every right to be angry as had the SFA been brutally honest, their club, under whatever guise, would be in a far better position than it is today.

     

     

    I have only had a couple of looks at the SFA articles but when doing so I have reached the conclusion that any lawyer looking at the applicable laws would and should start from there to get at what should have happened, what didn’t happen, and what has to or should happen as a result.

     

     

    Regrettably, I have reached one of those situations where my own time is about to be taken up with other things and so I won’t have the time to devote to looking at all of this in any great detail and so you and others will have to take it forward.

     

     

    I genuinely think that the whole thing needs to be examined time and time again from a detatched, almost cold, perspective with no entrenched pre conclusions and posititions.

     

     

    Only that way can anyone see a reasonable, persuasive and logical way through.

     

     

    Of course, in these circumstances, the only thing that is certain is that whatever way through is ultimately adopted, loads of people will not like it one iota.

     

     

    That is the way with the law and its rules — otherwise each and every court case would simply be decided on the popular vote.

     

     

    Cheers

     

     

    BRTH

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    Celtic linked with Trencin midfielder Matus Bero; Hoops reportedly stick £10m price tag on Nir Bitton and Dundee United hand trial to ex-Liverpool striker Florent Sinama Pongolle

     

     

    Hoops keen on Matus Bero

     

     

     

    CELTIC are reportedly keen on Trencin midfielder Matus Bero, with the Hoops having had the Slovakian 20-year-old watched on a handful of occasions.

     

     

     

    The midfielder, who has appeared for the Slovakia U17, U18, U19 and U21 sides, is believed to be a target for Ronny Deila – but Celtic could face competition from the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and AC Milan. (Scottish Sun)

     

     

    Johansen faces up to poor form

     

     

    STEFAN Johansen has conceded that he ‘hasn’t been playing to the standard required’ following criticism of his performances for Celtic.

     

     

    Despite suffering a back injury earlier this season, Johansen said: “I can’t blame injuries alone for my poor form this season.

     

     

    “I’m not the type of guy who would use that as an excuse. But I’ll be honest and say I haven’t been playing to the standard that is required.’ (Daily Record)

     

     

     

    Celtic ‘want £10m for Bitton’

     

     

    CELTIC have reportedly slapped a £10m price tag on Sunderland target Nir Bitton, in a bid to put off the Black Cats.

     

     

    The English Premier League outfit were linked with a move for the Israeli midfielder, who signed a new five-year deal with the Hoops at the start of this month.

     

     

    It is understood that Bitton’s camp is yet to receive any contact over a potential move to Wearside. (Shields Gazette)

     

     

     

    United take Pongolle on trial

     

     

    DUNDEE United have taken former Liverpool and Atletico Madrid striker Florent Sinama Pongolle on trial.

     

     

    The 31-year-old, from Reunion, trained with United yesterday and has had spells with Le Havre, Blackburn Rovers, Recreativo, Sporting CP, Zaragoza, Saint-Etienne, Rostov and MLS side Chicago Fire.

     

     

    He made one senior appearance for France, but scored 11 goals in 37 matches for the Under-21s.

     

     

    He was most recently with Swiss outfit Lausanne-Sport. (Daily Record)

     

     

     

    Bodul free to leave Tannadice

     

     

    MEANWHILE Dundee United have told striker Darko Bodul he is free to leave Tannadice.

     

     

    The ex-Ajax striker has failed to score in 11 appearances and hasn’t been seen since the 5-0 reversal at Celtic Park last month. (Daily Record)

     

     

    Hibs close gap on Rangers

     

     

    TWO goals from striker James Keatings helped Hibs to a 2-1 win over a resilient Livingston side at a rain-soaked Easter Road.

     

     

    A late goal from sub Jordyn Sheerin ensured a nervy end for Alan Stubbs’ men, who held on to close the gap on Rangers to two points.

     

     

    And Mark Burchill’s side face the Gers on Saturday, while Hibs travel to Alloa. (The Scotsman)

     

     

    Defiance the winner as England beat France

     

     

    DELE Alli enjoyed a stunning full debut as England beat France on a night of tears, compassion and defiance.

     

     

    The 19-year-old Tottenham midfielder found the top corner with a stunning 24-yard strike and played a key role in Wayne Rooney’s second-half volley.

     

     

    But the real winner at Wembley was football. Just four days after 129 people died in the Paris terror attacks, the France team and their English counterparts, as well as the home and away fans inside this famous stadium, stood shoulder to shoulder to send a defiant message to the terrorists who wreaked havoc in the French capital. (The Scotsman)

     

     

    Kenny Miller agrees one-year extension

     

     

    KENNY Miller has signed a new one-year deal at Ibrox, prolonging his senior career to 19 years.

     

     

    The former Hibs and Celtic striker, who turns 36 in the next few weeks, is currently injured but has netted five goals in 13 appearances for the Gers. (The Scotsman)

     

     

     

     

    Read more: http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/rumour-mill-celtic-eye-matus-bero-10m-for-bitton-united-take-pongolle-on-trial-1-3951304#ixzz3rq349MRm

     

    Follow us: @TheScotsman on Twitter | TheScotsmanNewspaper on Facebook

  7. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    James Forrest. A terrific read fellow well done for all your hard work it is a great pity so few will read it. I think it should be available to all in the MSM and all at the SFA and SPL. also every MP should have a copy to show the extent of the cheating and tax evasion. Instead of this constantly being swept under the carpet it should be shouted fom the roof tops we the tax payers are being shafted and the crooks who have been involved in this scandal at Ibrokes need to be called to account. We must not be misled by the MSM and Ibrokes supporters who are calling for us to forget it and move on this is the biggest tax scandal in UK football aided and abetted in my opinion by the Scottish football authorities it is amazing that the Scottish Parliament are saying nothing.H.H.

  8. The New Lubo?

     

     

    Celtic have this morning been linked with a move for highly rated Slovakian youngster Matus Bero.

     

     

    The 20-year-old midfielder currently plays for AS Trencin in his native Slovakia but is reportedly attracting interest from across Europe, with clubs including Arsenal, Liverpool and AC Milan also showing an interest.

     

     

    The Slovakia Under-21 international recently signed a three-year contract with Trencin but reports in Slovakia suggest Parkhead scouts had him watched against Spartak Myjava last month.

     

     

    Despite his importance to Trencin, the Sun report that the Slovakian champions would not block a January move if their star man wanted to leave.

     

     

     

    Bero can play across the midfield and has scored nine goals in 15 games this season.

  9. Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma on

    Sorry – ususal typos on that hurriedly typed last diatribe – but hopefully you get what I mean.

     

     

    Off out to a meeting.

  10. Pogmathonyahun aka Laird of the Smiles on

    “Of all the unimportant things, Football is the most important” – attributed to many people including Pope JP II

     

     

    It is important to many people in Scotland as well as all over the world. That’s why the cheats should never be allowed to win – Strip the Titles!!

  11. 67Heaven .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I am wee Oscar...... Ipox belongs to the creditors on

    RIP, JONAH LOMU ….. A SPORTING COLLOSUS

  12. BT, Jamesgang and the incomparable Dena many thanks.

     

    Paul67

     

    Any chance of forwarding Melbourne Micks email addy so as I can get him my details. It’s like Crimbo. Cannot wait to don my Aussie Tic polo.

     

    On Adam Matthews, much like Izzy @Sheepsville, he was never the same after his injury. Difference being that with Adam it was intentional from that thug Lasley. Seem to recall not even a foul was called. That’s why these scumbags need to be put to the sword through Res 12, their cheating in constructing the terms of reference for LNS to suit their own ends or whatever. Hopefully heading towards a level playing field, literally, with the same rules applied to all.

     

    HH Tims everywhere.

  13. CARLTON Cole enjoyed his first run-out in the Hoops last week when he played in a bounce game against Livingston at Celtic’s Lennoxtown Training Centre.

     

    And while the striker didn’t get on the scoresheet in the 4-1 victory, he enjoyed his hour on the pitch and is now aiming to push on to first-team action.

     

    He hopes to be in contention for the Kilmarnock game this weekend and although his immediate competition is the in-form Leigh Griffiths, the Englishman plans to be ready to take that striker’s spot whenever the chance is afforded him.

     

    “I needed that game last week because it has been so long since I’ve played,” Cole told this week’s Celtic View. “Just being out there among the lads was great. It didn’t go the way I dreamed about it but it was a start.

     

    “When it’s a start you’ve just got to take what you can. I worked hard, tried to influence it as much as I could, and that’ll come with more match-sharpness and games.

     

    “I was supposed to only play 45 minutes but with the person I am, if I feel like I can do a bit more, I’ll do it. I asked the manager if I could do an extra 15 and they all know where I’m at but I’ve got to control that to make sure I don’t get injured again. It’s a fine line.”

     

    The 32-year-old has a wealth of English Premier League experience behind him, and he’s hoping that will not only benefit the Celtic first-team but also some of the younger players coming through the ranks at the club.

     

    Having the ear of similarly-experienced players when Cole was younger was vital to the striker’s progression as a professional footballer.

     

    Players like Gianfranco Zola at Chelsea, Lucas Neil at West Ham and Paolo Di Canio at Charlton were crucial to moulding the forward’s outlook on the game growing up and taught him when to lead with his words and when to lead with his actions.

     

    “I can use my experience to help those guys and try to implement that into my game when I’m playing for Celtic,” he explained. “It’s a different responsibility for me. Now I know that I’ve actually grown up because I’m the one who can impart advice.

     

    “We have a good captain as well. Scott’s brilliant and he keeps the players on their toes. We get along really well and I’m thankfully the type of guy who can walk into any changing room and just get along with people.

     

    “That’s because I don’t want to let those players down so I’ve got to work my hardest then all the glory and the glamour can come after that.

     

    “As long as the dressing room’s tight and we’re winning games, that’s all that matters.”

     

    Read the full and exclusive interview with Carlton Cole ONLY in this week’s Celtic View

  14. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    ‘A high-class club’

     

     

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/celtic-praised-belgian-minnows-royal-6853347

     

     

    Sadly the same paper has an article telling the world that the huns cheated,but that they’ve suffered enough.

     

     

    I’m off to read James Forrest’s latest instead. Part One was a belter!

     

     

    http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/a-very-scottish-scandal-how-rangers-almost-wrecked-scottish-football-part-two/

  15. From ETIMS, couple of wee sweary words, mild but still sweary.

     

     

    For all the talk of a team full of internationals, and indications that things at Celtic Park are going in the right direction overall, it’s a sobering thought that Mikael Lustig will probably be the only Celt on display at next years European championship finals.

     

     

    And he’ll probably hurt himself getting off the bus.

     

     

    Thats a damning statistic, but as most of Celtic’s players are Scots now, then maybe its not surprising. since the Dutch fellow -I cannot remember for the life of me his name, Wollte or something, left the Scottish set up, results and performances have , well, gone bad.

     

     

    Maybe the policy of picking second rate players based in England isn’t the way forward. I gave up when Leigh Griffiths wasn’t brought on against Germany, and although thats maybe just the green tinted glasses, the likes of Griffiths and others in the Scottish set up should be first picks, and until they are, they will be forcedto head south to get recognition.

     

     

    Anyhoo, its nearly christmas, which means its nearly transfer window time, and if Ronny Deila isn’t aware of the deficiencies in the team by now, and Peter Lawwell hasn’t handed him the debit card, then we could be in trouble.

     

     

    As usual, a number of names have been bandied around, and the latest is slovakian Matus Bero, who is a midfielder with AS Trencin.

     

     

    Back in October , Bero scored the third in an U21 Euro qualifier against the dutch in a 3-1 win in Nijmegan, so its no surprise that he’s been attracting atention from Celtic and oither clubs.

     

     

    His dream is to play in the English league, where he claims;

     

     

    “They play a style that I love — players don’t stop for 90 minutes and there is a lot of emotion.”

     

     

    Maybe he really does mean emotion, and not money. still, if thats his dream, let him have it.

     

     

    We’ll end up with Martin Odegaard on loan, with a view to a permanent signing, and hopefully a decent centre half.

     

     

    Rumours of Marco motta won’t go away, which is a shame;

     

     

    Billy Hawkins, on HTS sport offers us his opinion on the Italians time at Watford.

     

     

    He often looked out of position and possessed little composure, and although clearly a talented player with the ball at his feet, he was never given the time due to the intensely physical game of the Championship.

     

     

    This physicality is shared in Scottish football, and Motta never looked good when under pressure.

     

     

    Most incredibly, his biggest impact with Watford came in the 2-2 draw with Derby County, when the Italian full-back managed to get himself sent off in the first-half after giving away a penalty.

     

     

    After that game he started just two of the remaining five fixtures, and was left on the bench for important victories over Birmingham and Brighton which sealed promotion.

     

     

    Defenders we need, comfortable on the ball we need, but no good under pressure, I think we’re quite well off for that particular quality.

     

     

    Theres no shortage of midfielders at the club, and anyway, it looks like the manager has a new favourite in Tom Rogic;

     

     

    “Tom improves all the time. I am really happy with him. He works very hard in training and you can see that being transferred into games.

     

     

    “But he still needs to last a game, a whole 90 minutes

     

     

    “There have been too many times when he gets tired. It has been difficult for Tom to feel as good late on in game as he does at the start.

     

     

    “He has missed a lot of football, which we can’t forget. So he needs more games.

     

     

    “And once this fitness comes, he will be an ever better player and he is at the top level right now.”

     

     

    “Tom has a lot of things he can give to the team.

     

     

    “He has a good touch, has scored some important goals for us and he has a lot more still to give.”

     

     

    Nir Biton has, according to some reports, had a price tag of £10m slapped on him, which is little more than mischief making, as the Israeli has made it clear he’s happy where he is.

     

     

    Biton, like Samaras and Boyata has seen life in England, with Manchester City, and appears to be in no hurry to sample it again.

     

     

    If anything in January, I’d expect to see a few “fringe “players move on.

     

     

    If Anthony Stokes still harbours ambitions of playing in France next year, he’ll need to move on to get games under his belt.

     

     

    Don’t be surprised to see a few familiar names move on, especially among the senior players who may also be aware their time at Celtic is coming to an end.

     

     

    The next six months should see the last survivors of the Neil Lennon side make way for the youngsters and new signings that Deila has brought in, and then we should start to see a team gelling, and an understanding between the players that will make us ready for the next round of qualifiers in the champions League, assuming of course we don’t win the Europa.

     

     

    Which is probably a fair assumption at this stage.

     

     

    One who may move on is Efe Ambrose, ho was outstanding for nigeria yesterday as they beat Swaziland 2-0. The big defender also finished off a cross to score a rare goal, which actually was a finish anyone would have been proud of.

     

     

    Mind you, there was a bit of a bonus in it for him;

     

     

    The duo of Moses Simon and Efe Ambrose have won $20,000 each for entering the scorers sheet in the Super Eagles 2 – 0 triumph over Swaziland.

     

     

    Moses first put Nigeria front with a well-curled free-kick in the second half while Efe Ambrose doubled the scoreline three minutes before full time.

     

     

    According to Super Eagles official twitter handle, the incentive was announced during the Governor’s visit to the Super Eagles training camp.

     

     

    “Rivers State Government pledges $20k per goal against Swaziland. #SoarSuperEagles,” the handle tweeted.

     

     

    I wanted to stay away from the current campaign to exonerate old Rangers from their years of cheating, but an article in the Record has made me unable to.

     

     

    Its by a chap called Alex Mooney, who is a freelance, which is a journalist who cant get a full time job.

     

     

    he argues that its time to move on, and forget all about it. Which is par for the course in the MSM these days,

     

     

    But he is the first to use the sectarian angle as a reason for the title stripping demands to stop.

     

     

    And a somewhat unique interpretation of financial doping;

     

     

    Nor can cash saved from the taxman be called financial doping. Immoral as the EBT scheme may have been, and it was, it was not illegal and its use was clearly set out in Rangers’ annual accounts. Title-stripping is therefore something that should not happen.

     

     

    So let’s cut through the conspiracy theories on this and find a logical conclusion – Rangers used an EBT scheme to avoid paying tax which was shameful but its use only gave them the same advantage on the field that all big clubs have.

     

     

    I think most dispassionate and objective observers will accept this and use it as a fair agreement on which we can all move on.

     

     

    Of course, this will infuriate the self-proclaimed, proud ‘bampots’ on social media toiling away 24/7 in pursuit of justice for Scottish football.

     

     

    Their irreversibly entrenched view will always be that ‘the Protestant establishment club cheated on an industrial scale and the corrupt SFA and mainstream media were in cahoots in a whitewash’.

     

     

    Well, thats what happened?

     

     

    To them I ask this – what is it you want? Rangers have been ravaged in a way no one could have imagined five years ago. Whether you view their troubles as a self-inflicted consequence or a punishment is not important.

     

     

    What do we want?

     

     

    Honesty would be a start. An admission of guilt, an apology, and less of the nonsense about new clubs and no crime committed would also be a start.

     

     

    Mind you, the author did hit the nail on the head with this;

     

     

    They ( Second Rangers ) have been badly wounded and who, other than a baying mob, would wish them and their fans to suffer more? Only Rangers being shut down and Ibrox demolished will satisfy those who want nothing less than to dance on the club’s grave.

     

     

    Well, the old Rangers was shut down, and the new one is merely a collection of spivs fleecing the fanes while a compliant media prestends nothing happened.

     

     

    Take this , for instance, from the same article;

     

     

    That, though, won’t happen so I urge the SFA and all its member clubs to get round the table now and end this sorry episode. Strong leadership is needed to find a way forward and common sense must triumph over those who revel in agendas.

     

     

    Celtic’s Peter Lawwell and Rangers’ Dave King could lead by example. In fact, would it be so outrageous for them to go out for dinner and mend fences over a decent bottle of red?

     

     

    Each could show a lot of class by putting out a joint statement that accepts the clubs are big rivals but acknowledges sectarian hate has no part in that relationship. King could also apologise for the EBT years and Lawwell graciously accept it in his twin roles with Celtic and the SFA.

     

     

    Sectarian hate ?

     

     

    So, all else having failed they are now playing the sectarian card.

     

     

    This has nothing to do with anything else other than a club which spent above their means, dodged the tax and liquidated, and then had the cheek to try to bully its way on, in another guise, pretending that it was all just an administrative mistake.

     

     

    We are talking about multi million pound tax fraud by big business.

     

     

    Sectarian ?

     

     

    Really ?

     

     

    Fucking idiot.

     

     

    Mooney the Looney.

     

     

    He continues…

     

     

    Is that really so difficult? Or too much to ask? Some might even say the custodians of these two massive clubs have a duty to start the healing process.

     

     

    As a shareholder in Celtic, along with many. many others, I would be abhorred to see our CEO consider any kind of dealings with the convicted tax criminal Dave King.

     

     

    And how do Celtic have a duty here ? Its the Ibrox entities that made the place smell so bad .

     

     

    Again, the idea of two sides of one coin is desperately wheeled into view.

     

     

    We don’t need them.

     

     

    They really need us.

     

     

    But we should cut the cord.

     

     

    Karma is a sexy beast sometimes….

     

     

     

     

    You can read the full article onlne, or in the paper itself. I wouldn’t if I were you.

     

     

    It made my eyes vomit.

     

     

    I haven’t included the bit where he concludes that Rangers having more money due to not paying taxes is exactly the same as any big club having more money than a small club anywhere in the world, because i honestly felt you’d think i was making it up.

     

     

     

     

    Weathers been a bit rough of late, hasn’t it ?

     

     

    I found myself stranded in a bar during last nights storm.

  16. James Forrest

     

    You need to get this stuff to a wider audience , the smell from this is getting worse and as the two jounos you mentioned uncovered more, how much more is there still to come,those who knew and distorted things to suit the issues at Ibrox cannot survive this and will hopefully face a court. Well done great account

  17. Clear blue sky and 22 degrees way down south .

     

     

    Matus Bero ? .

     

     

    For what it’s worth- Italian fly a kite rumor mongers have been linking him with AC Milan / Napoli and Fiorentina since July . . No quotes , no Official sources etc . .Those rumors usually predicted that Italian Clubs would lose out to the big wage EPL.

  18. If Ronnie and the 2 John’s ever did move on – and I’m not saying thats what i want – but if they did – what a management dream team Martin and Roy would make at Celtic Park. Can you imagine the fun that would be. But hey ho back to reality, c’mon Ronnie, Ajax and Fernebache, turn them over and you’ll be bullet proof.

  19. PEAT OF ISLAY on 18TH NOVEMBER 2015 8:40 AM

     

    Eamon Dunphy on RTE… I don’t like Martin O’Neil’s long ball game.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Dunphy, still an idiot after all these years. Priceless.

     

     

     

     

    Totally agree.MON

  20. PEAT OF ISLAY on 18TH NOVEMBER 2015 8:40 AM

     

    Eamon Dunphy on RTE… I don’t like Martin O’Neil’s long ball game.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Dunphy, still an idiot after all these years. Priceless.

     

     

     

    Totally agree.MON plays to his strengths.He has always favored the ball up to the forwards as quick as possible.This has brought him great success,because he has it down to a fine art.The Irish team,at the moment are custom made for this style.Not the greatest technically,but battlers.

     

    To try and run down his achievement of getting this team to the Euros,is ridiculous.His style of play will upset a few teams next summer.

  21. The Rectum once again wheeling out some escapee from Carstairs to have his say on how we should all”Move on”.Alex Mooney ?????????????.This article has to be up there beside the favorites for the dross awards,to be handed out at the end of the season.This trumpet,is now telling us,that this is a “Sectarian”witch hunt against the dead team.

     

    This is now reaching heights of lunacy that even we,who thought we had seen and heard it all,throughout our years of supporting Celtic,could not imagine.

     

    Should just make us all stronger to keep getting the message out loud and clear.

     

    Still shaking my head after reading this drivel.

  22. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    TURKEYBHOY

     

     

    I mentioned it on the previous page,a genuine WTF? article that would see his job description torn up along with his union card anywhere but here.

     

     

    Congrats on the arras btw…

  23. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    PHILBHOY

     

     

    We might find out by August 31.

     

     

    Hope you and yours are fine and dandy after your trip to The Wild West(Paisley!)

  24. Turkeybhoy on 18th November 2015 12:06 pm

     

     

    A quick google search on Alex Mooney shows him as a contributor to The Rangers Standard who wrote about The Witch-Hunt That Shamed Scotland.

     

    Hardly an impartial contributor to the DR but he fits well with their editorial stance on cheating.

  25. CanalaMar

     

     

    Just to put you straight.

     

     

    As I think you know I never got involved in that discussion around LNS because the points being made about why no other conclusion could be reached on the basis of evidence presented was one I could not find fault with. If I remember correctly many argued Bryson should have been challenged by SPL lawyer but wasn’t.

     

     

    I saw little point trying to argue that LNS should be revisited because there were too many making the point that he had it right and it was too late to tackle Bryson. I did not like that but practically I saw no point in arguing the toss so I embarked on my LNS project as you call it.

     

     

    The journo guy is not a friend. He is a contact who desperately wanted to undo Bryson (he has no love of RFC) but realised that unpalatable as it was, points deduction was not an automatic consequence of misregistration and had examples in support.

     

     

    His point was not to get caught in thinking invalidity of registration was a basis for ineligibility and not to put too much emphasis on it. Not to dismiss it.

     

    He may have been wrong but he had gone down that road himself and could see why an association would want to protect itself from consequences of retrospective action, so would not bind itself to automatic points deduction. His genuine fear is that it becomes the focus of an argument that can be challenged instead of one’s that cannot.

     

     

    As I stated we have two good reasons to carry out an investigation and one of them came from my decision to use SFM as the vehicle because the compromising of LNS had to be something supporters of all clubs would buy into. Two days of debate on CQN and that issue would have gone.

     

     

    A letter from a Celtic only blog re the compromising of LNS to SPL would have got binned. One from across the support base to their lawyers stood a chance of being answered so events have shown that judgement to be right No?

     

     

    On your point re Bryson and eligibility I suggested involving FIFA on the eligibility issue if an investigation happens as I always thought from my days of running an amateur team that misregistration meant a game overturned. I’d like clarity on that.

     

     

    Getting that investigation first is what matters then what rules apply after it can be settled.

  26. I really like this ……………………………………………………………

     

     

     

    Lower league Belgian team Royal Liege have described Celtic as a “high class” club after they made a development fee payment for current backup goalkeeper Logan Bailly.

     

     

    The Belgian goalie joined the Scottish Premiership champions in the summer from OH Leuven for an undisclosed fee.

     

     

    And it turns out Royal Liege were due a payment from the Hoops as part of his early development as a player at the club.

     

     

    As Liege told it, Celtic got in touch with them to organise the payment and then followed up with the cash three days later.

     

     

    A Royal Liege statement said: “At a time when the world of football often resembles a jungle where the end justifies the means, we would like to acknowledge the exemplary behaviour of this venerable Scottish club.

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