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Martin O’Neill trained as a lawyer before going into to football and then football management.  That legal training tells in some very precise word choices.  So on Sunday, when he was asked on Sky TV whether Roy Keane would be a suitable Celtic manager, his response was sure to lead to speculation.

Martin (of course) dodged the question.  Instead, he endorsing his former assistant’s ability as a manager, indicating his surprise so many clubs were missing out on Keane.

After a mercurial two years manager of Sunderland (summer, then winter) and two years with Ipswich in the lower reaches of the Championship, Keane has not been a manager in his own right for 10 years and 2 months.

Half of this time Roy was Martin’s assistant at Ireland.  For six months during that period, he was also assistant to Paul Lambert at Aston Villa, before a short spell, again with Martin, as assistant at Nottingham Forest.

We have been here before with media reports of Roy taking the Celtic job, before Ronny Deila’s appointment seven years ago.  Celtic were still shopping around then, as they are now, so it would be folly to make assumptions.

Anyway, back to Martin’s legal brain.  With all them smarts, our former manager surely knows it is Roy Keane’s intensity that has led to a reluctance of chief executives to give him the keys of the kingdom.  There are surely easier gigs than managing Roy Keane, although Martin achieved this part-time for five years.

Intensity: euphemism.

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  1. “We have been here before with media reports of Roy taking the Celtic job….”

     

     

    Not quite as strongly but I get your point and I hope it’s a massive red-herring.

  2. Martin O’Neil never trained as a lawyer, he was given a place in Queens to study law but either didn’t complete the course or didn’t take the place, just saying…. football took over

  3. Can anyone recall when Keane came in as a player if he caused any problems or, on the contrary, was someone the team looked up to? who motivated the players to be more professional? To train harder etc.? Looking for the potential positives here . . .

     

     

    He’d certainly put a few huns in the media back in their box . . .

     

     

    Two other points:

     

    1. Could his potential appt be the reason Brown in poised to leave? To allow Keane to take over the dressing room without any other leaders in it.

     

    2. On the orgnzl structure changes, would Keane be able to work below a DOF? Who coould be a younger guy with very different opinions on football development, transfers etc.

  4. squire danaher on

    This will likely not happen and even if it does it will not last long.

     

     

    Roy Keane will not tolerate the ‘back of the bus’ mentality which this club has re-adopted after the McCann years.

     

     

    Roy Keane will not tolerate this Keeping The Business Partner Alive garbage which has been our PLC mindset since 2011.

     

     

    If he is appointed he will soon tell Desmond where to ram it.

  5. The question marks over Keane’s temperament are a cliche for me. I’m more worried about his tactical abilities – I haven’t seen much evidence of these. There’s also the issue of backroom staff and coaches so if Keane can get a top team together then I’ve no doubt he’d raise the bar.

     

     

    Overall, I’d want someone more experienced but if it’s the choice between a Man City under 23 coach with no managerial experience and Keane, I’m leaning towards Keane.

  6. PeterLatchfordsBelly on

    Still shopping around.

     

     

    I wonder if the plan – such as it is – is to wait to see if the huns make the ECL or not, in the hope the get liquidated again.

     

     

    We’re great at waiting.

  7. If Roy Keane really really wants the job, then I am of the opinion that DD, a long-time admirer, will be inclined to offer it to him…..but does he really really want it.

     

     

    RK is no doubt a strong character – maybe we need that. He is respected, maybe not always liked, throughout the football world – maybe we need that.

     

     

    We all change & mature over time, perhaps now is the right time for him to re-enter management. Perceived wisdom says, if you are of the right calibre, you may learn more from defeat than victory.

     

     

    Cetic also needs to learn lessons – our standing in Europe is at it’s lowest ebb probably due to repeated ‘pyrric’ victories domestically in the last nine years.

     

     

    Finally, RK would probably not take the Celtic job without certain guarantees, principal among them money to spend – he would be totally motivated to succeed – let’s face it, if he failed at Celtic then surely his football management aspirations would be dead. So maybe we would get him at the ‘right’ time.

     

     

    If he really really wants to be Celtic manager, I’ll welcome him with open arms.

  8. Thing is, P67, us fans are looking for a pure football appointment; a progressive-mibby-proven guru who can turn sow’s ears into silk purses (or water into wine, whatever metaphor you fancy) to right the TEAM’s woes.

     

    Yet, the club as a business is likely thinking of box office to shift season tix and merch after a year’s worth of downbeat income and player trading. Roy +1 seems to be a prime candidate for the latter.

     

    Roy and Enzo. Roy and Shaun. Roy and Damien. Roy and Gavin…?

     

    Guy clearly knows heaps about playing football but that’s not only what a truly great team manager needs.

     

    BTW, I notice on CFC’s Facebook posts, plenty fans are Keane on Roy; and defo much more than on here!

     

     

    ECHOCHAMBER CSC

  9. Would Roy Keane unite a disillusioned Celtic support?…..☝️ I don’t think so…

  10. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    Summer and winter – liked that one, Paul, although I think you probably meant to say seasons.

     

    If Keane is even an option then we are clearly going about this the wrong way.

     

    1. Set out where we want to be (in 5, 10 years, whatever).

     

    2. What do we need to do to get there?

     

    3. What skills does it need to achieve these things?

     

    4. Who has those skills?

     

    Identity four or five candidates who fit the profile, speak to them and pick the best one.

     

    We have an opportunity to develop something new, get more young players coming through, play an exciting style of football. Complete blank sheet. Get in a good coach who can do these things. Not a tired old name who ‘knows the club’ or a big name who doesn’t play young players and parks the bus.

     

    Come on Celtic – get this right for once!

  11. MCPHAIL BHOY on 25TH MARCH 2021 12:12 PM

     

     

    He started his law degree but left at the end of his first year I think to join Forrest. Clough reckoned he was thick (at least in footballing terms).

  12. Roy is a yes from me with

     

     

    a top class respected coach or coaches

     

     

    as part of the package .

  13. This has been the common assumption on all the blogs and forums for ages now, that we are going to adopt a new structure, with a Director of Football.

     

    Has the club, at anytime, actually stated this?

     

    I’d (I think) like a trendy new super coach/manager, as much as the anyone. However, if we appointed what we now perceive to be an old dinosaur type of manager e.g. Martin O’Neill, would I be confident of being successful again? Yes I would.

  14. DENIABHOY

     

     

    I’m not sure but didn’t we lose to Clyde on his debut?

     

     

    Also, people are confusing no-nonsense with man-management. Getting in people’s faces doesn’t guarantee respect and if his time at Sunderland and Ipswich are anything to go by, then I’d say the opposite is true.

     

     

    Would the appointment of Keane (and Lennon before it) suggest the board is working tirelessly to scour the globe and push the boat out for the best possible appointment?

     

     

    If Lennon was an unambitious appointment, then we’ve seen nothing yet.

  15. On the basis that the huns success has more to do with Beale than with Gerrard, are we maybe focussing too much attention on the manager?

     

     

    Should we not be asking what back up staff any prospective candidates would be bringing?

     

     

    Or is it too much to hope for that unlike the last appointment the manager will be allowed to bring his own staff?

  16. SPIRITOF67

     

     

    What is it about Keane’s CV (ten years ago) makes you feel he’d be a good manager for us?

  17. GEEBEE1978 on 25TH MARCH 2021 12:44 PM

     

    DENIABHOY

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I’m not sure but didn’t we lose to Clyde on his debut?

     

     

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    Yep.

     

     

    I remember the look on his face when a back pass to him from Du Wei bobbled off course on the Broadwood turf. He seemed to be wondering what he’d let himself in for.

  18. Roy Keane is a grenade .

     

    Left sitting in the dressing room.

     

    It is only a matter time before someone pulls his pin.

     

     

    Nothing good would come from his appointment.

     

    It would just be a matter of waiting for the inevitable explosion ,and the carnage that follows.

     

     

    TT

  19. GB1978

     

     

    I think he has mellowed and learnt

     

     

    from past experiences and as i said he’d

     

     

    need top class coaches with him to

     

     

    be a success . He would be a figure

     

     

    head for our club known throughout

     

     

    Europe and i think would command

     

     

    respect , imo slackers beware .

  20. Paul 67 et al,

     

     

    Roy Keane came to us when he was past his best. He played 10 games for us. Similar to quite a few Players from England who used us a a form of romanticism or as a retirement pot.

     

     

    He has not managed a club side for over 10 years and his managerial CV is not good enough to take a massive gamble on.

     

     

    So the question I have is :-

     

     

    Apart from where he was born, what qualifies Roy Keane to manage Celtic ?

     

     

    If I was not emotionally attached to our club, it is this form of nepotism that would drive me to giving up my ST.

     

     

    Hopefully it is just unfounded scaremongering.

     

     

    HH.

  21. SPIRITOF67

     

     

    He may well have mellowed – I couldn’t possibly say. However, I’d like that experiment to be run at another club – not Celtic.

     

     

    His last two jobs were a disaster and they were a decade ago. Let another club find out if he’d mellowed. We need someone with actual credentials.

  22. Whoever gets the manager gig , inherits a shambles.

     

    How do the suits measure the funds available for whoever the new manager is ?

     

    Who do we sell . What price ?

     

    How many season book holders can afford to re new .

     

    Given we’re told to suffer in silence at the nonsense of 55 , how many fans actually have an appetite to buy into a game that it’s in denial .

     

     

    Remember our major shareholder thinks the Rainjurz are a great club with a magnificent history .

     

    The new CEO & manager , certainly have their work cut out .

     

    LNS , Res 12 , Secret 5 way agreements.

     

    You couldn’t make up this shit .

     

    All in the interest of the company , not in the interest of the support.

     

     

    Does Santa really come down the chimney ?

     

     

    That’s the thought process, we’re being asked to buy into.

     

    Faithful through and through ?

  23. Maybe we should appoint Vinnie Jones with Gordon Ramsey as DoF.

     

     

    They are no nonsense and say it how it is? Credentials as a football manager? Doesn’t seem to matter if the Keane rumours have substance.

  24. Denia………

     

     

    I hear what you are saying……….but disagree, Roy would not put any huns back in their boxes…………..

     

     

    He’d try to, the meeja pack would just wait and pick him off bit by horrible bit.

     

     

    Martin, imo, put the huns back in their boxes by not engaging, by being clever – using words judiciously, while he talked to the media he told them very little and they knew he probaly had the angles covered – for the most part.

  25. SQUIRE DANAHER on 25TH MARCH 2021 10:54 AM

     

    Well documented suspicion regarding Keane is that, based on his MU career, and difficulties within other lesser settings, including his national team, that he “doesn’t suffer fools”.

     

     

    His management style is regarded as a bit “bull in a China shop”.

     

     

    You would like to think that our PLC/DD would question;

     

     

     

    1) How will our pampered pooches cope with such an approach,

     

     

    2) How RK would cope with their distinct ‘back of the bus’ tendencies and

     

     

    3) How RK will deal with the snideyness of the SMSM

     

     

    ——-

     

    From the previous thread……

     

     

    ‘Pampered pooches’ … are you referring to the Board or the players????

     

    If it’s the latter, my own view is that our players are pretty typical of young professional footballers. And that RK isn’t particularly well suited to nurturing and developing them. No one wants a hairdryer these days…..

     

     

    ‘Back of the bus……’ our board’s actions have effectively block booked the back of the bus.

     

     

    His reaction to our MSM snidely-ness? Some occasional witty quips a la WGS, but a total meltdown sooner or later.

     

    I think they’d hound him off the pitch as well as in football terms.

     

    ‘Holy Cow – Keane fails to purchase Irish butter in Govan Asda shame show’ etc etc

     

     

    P67 – MON is a diplomat. He’s simply following the first rule of punditry….don’t shat on your counterparts for no reason.

     

     

    HH jg

  26. The managerial announcement should hit home with the huns with the effect of an unexpected 4 nil gubbing.

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  28. Being lazy and not knowing anything about fitba’ business management I’d tended to give Dermot an easy pass on everything – not going forward. Having listened to those who do know on This Dear Green Place……the pleasure of being a Tim has been diluted and the mixture now needs strengthened.

  29. Geebee

     

     

    Yes, probably just as delighted as when Neil was announced last time.

     

    The product on the field needs proper support from the Board – the Support has paid the price in all senses.

     

     

    The next few months will determine our future. I’m more anxious than I’ve ever been.

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