Martin O’Neill trained as a lawyer before going into to football and then football management. That legal training tells in some very precise word choices. So on Sunday, when he was asked on Sky TV whether Roy Keane would be a suitable Celtic manager, his response was sure to lead to speculation.
Martin (of course) dodged the question. Instead, he endorsing his former assistant’s ability as a manager, indicating his surprise so many clubs were missing out on Keane.
After a mercurial two years manager of Sunderland (summer, then winter) and two years with Ipswich in the lower reaches of the Championship, Keane has not been a manager in his own right for 10 years and 2 months.
Half of this time Roy was Martin’s assistant at Ireland. For six months during that period, he was also assistant to Paul Lambert at Aston Villa, before a short spell, again with Martin, as assistant at Nottingham Forest.
We have been here before with media reports of Roy taking the Celtic job, before Ronny Deila’s appointment seven years ago. Celtic were still shopping around then, as they are now, so it would be folly to make assumptions.
Anyway, back to Martin’s legal brain. With all them smarts, our former manager surely knows it is Roy Keane’s intensity that has led to a reluctance of chief executives to give him the keys of the kingdom. There are surely easier gigs than managing Roy Keane, although Martin achieved this part-time for five years.
Intensity: euphemism.
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Neil Lennon is a better manager than Roy Keane.
Culture’s the thing…………………….
The Lions effect on us and our reutation ensured a culture befitting the values of a football Club set up the right way with appropriate values in balance with Pitch and Boardroom expectations.
We were a powerful proposition both in reality and in spirit. Most of that has gone.
Instead we have anonymous loanees and lingering boardroom mistakes.
The basics need invested in with deftness not daftness.
Get the culture right.
GEEBEE1978 on 25TH MARCH 2021 1:16 PM
BANKIEBHOY1
If I were a Sevco fan, I’d be delighted if we announced Keane
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Season 20-21 – finish in abject failure the careers of the two Tims they hate the most
Season 21-22 – opportunity to rinse & repeat with another uppity Fenian
They’d relish the opportunity
They’d up their ‘games’ to new levels. So too would the refs and the media.
These are not my reasons for not wanting RK. I’d love to see him (anyone!) ram it to them. I just don’t think he’s got the skills needed to do so.
HH jg
For what it’s worth and as much as you can say it about any pro or ex-pro Roy Keane is a Celtic supporter, he doesn’t follow us just because he’s Irish. He was a quiet but good influence in the dressing room, he didn’t come to play for just the ten games, his injury cut his time short when he’d have preferred to stay for longer. I don’t doubt he was telling the truth when he wrote that he had offers from juventus and Bayern Munich when he chose us after he left United.
Saying that, there’s no part of being “Celtic-minded” that will help him get the job.
Regardless of academic achievements MON is obviously an intelligent and very strategic man. As Paul has said he’ll choose his words very carefully, but he’s also very loyal to people who have been loyal to him. He’ll help how he can to get RK into a job.
Celtic Fc not Celtic Plc please with the appointment of a proper footballing man with no connections required as head of a top team of quality qualified coaching staff and a clear plan and strategy and style that’s recogniseable that is all I ask.
Also a clear idea of what our ambitions are regarding CL or EL.
In ither news…………….
Do the huns get any money out of a Billy ” Billy” Gilmuurrr move / promotion?
Whatever his regard for Celtic, Roy Keane’s CV as manager certainly does not enthuse me.
For all MON’s careful choice of words, he’s come up with some clangers in speaking to the media.
I wouldn’t be a fan of Robbie Williams but there was no need for MON to insult him on live tv a few WCs ago.
“A disallusioned Celtic support”only in our own heads.No wonder other teams supporters shake their heads.
We moan about Keane,Maresca,whoever,dont want him,etc.This sense of entitlement is what causing the “Disallusionment”We are not a European power in football,we could not even compete for years in an English league.We are minnows because of where we play out off.Our media income is miniscule,our prize money,the same.
About time we got over ourselves,and entered the real world.Its this sense of ,we are Celtic,everyone should want to manage us,that leads to the sense of letdown when we don’t get what we think we deserve.
Won’t go down well,but the truth seldom does.
Petethebeat
Mate, we all know that ‘This and That’ posters adorn your bedroom walls!
😉 DerryGirlsCSC
TURKEYBHOY
I’m not sure being uninspired by a manager who was a disaster ten years ago and not been touched with a barge pole since counts as “entitled”.
If Big Dom’s readin’ this he’ll soon be hidin’ behind his luxurious, heated couch…………..
Turkeybhoy
No one here thinks we’re Bayern or Barca.
But there is a happier medium that we can and should aspire to.
We’ve gone from making the Champions League with occasional hammerings at the hands of the big names……to pre season exit by teams whose names we didn’t even know.
HH jg
Maybe we will not appoint a DOF.
JamesGang – it was sort of cringlngly embarrassing at the time.
I believe he and Keane treated themselves to a trip to the Superbowl when Ireland qualified for the 2016 Euros.
He pointed out that the two fo them weren’t homosexual but I think he usd other words.
Petethebeat
I didn’t know about that.
That is pretty cringeworthy
HH jg
Turkeyneck- if you want to address me,dig in,every time with the vague references
How easily we are manipulated. Why is Roy Keane even being discussed on here as a realistic option? He should be nowhere near the Celtic manager’s job. Same old, same old lack of imagination, Ex-Celt or Irish. What happened to wanting the club restructured with a DoF and a progressive coach with modern ideas.
CarpetCrawlers post above (the first comment) should have been the beginning and end of the discussion.
CARPETCRAWLER on 25TH MARCH 2021 12:03 PM
Noooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!
https://mobile.twitter.com/MicahRichards/status/1375084163443871749
Keane’s Sky lapdog M Richards not very successfully trying to be cryptic.
Just reading back lhads, JHB, DAVID66, from last blog. Thanks for your observations, much appreciated.
TOSB
Mibbee we’re been manoeuvred – herded! – to a point where we welcome Steve Clarke or Alex Neil with a sense of rapture!
HH jg
So we are still shopping around.
Pity we never did that in May 2019.
JAMESGANG on 25TH MARCH 2021 1:55 PM
In our last two seasons in the champions league, with one of our two best managers in the last 40 years we got 6 points from 12 games, from a possible 36. We won once against an Anderlecht team who beat us at parkhead. A whole season unbeaten domestically and we couldn’t win a single game in the cL.
It’s going to be interesting to see how the super duper huns cope with the step up next season if they get there.
that wrong appointment won us a leage and a cup , then a treble, …………..
it was a diabolical appointment i tell you.
Celtic40me @2.20
I hope I view Brendan Rogers in a balanced fashion.
Many things he did well. eg Sports science and developing existing players.
Others, less so. eg recruitment – an area of debate, I realise.
Europe??
His weakest area of performance by a long way IMO.
By contrast, the FOD’s European performances and results in Europe this season and last, have been the most impressive aspect of their performance.
They’ve got the results that were needed, found out how to win (and crucially how not to lose) far better than we have.
Entry to the group stages and the £Ms that flow from that is what makes a fundamental to a Scottish team’s finances.
I’m not a betting man, but I’d wager they’d have had a better success rate than we’ve had in recent years. My fear is that they’ll do so over the foreseeable future.
HH jg
Job candidates in football management, turn up with PowerPoint presentations, business plans etc,Keane would turn up with his lawyer.
I have to chuckle at the celtic support sometimes …not sure if its the Rodgers hangover…….we play in a backwater shit tip…..I actually squirm when I hear Rafas name mentioned …..we got Rodgers because the stars aligned.and he had a soft spot..we got MON ..because we promised him dosh…and he had a soft spot…….Rafa has no soft spot …Eddie Howe never been further north than the Watford gap…has no soft spot……we then pluck names from Alice in wonderland ….German philosophers ….heady names that are with clubs in far bigger leagues or destined to be ….sometimes we have to wake up from daydreaming and smell the coffee …….the support are split ….they will remain split ….and a fair few huns and media types driving a wedge in further..
St Stivs
The legacy of the BR system, standards and players took a while to break.
The huns took another season to catch up, overtake and disappear into the sunset.
The British empire had expanded to its most impressive on map, just before it disappeared. So too, Peter’s Celtic.
Passing NFL a contract instead of just the shampoo set that process in motion.
Diabolical, no.
Amateurish and unprofessional, yes.
Love your pics. Thanks so much for posting them.
HH jg
JAMESGANG on 25TH MARCH 2021 2:15 PM
TOSB
Mibbee we’re been manoeuvred – herded! – to a point where we welcome Steve Clarke or Alex Neil with a sense of rapture!
HH jg
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That would not surprise me at all and has been the second time this week someone has suggested that approach to me. Fill us with dread at the possibility of Roy Keane becoming manager and then slip in a totally underwhelming candidate who is seen to be more progressive.
hurrah, hurrah, 3 cheers and all that.
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PETETHEBEAT on 25TH MARCH 2021 2:08 PM
JamesGang – it was sort of cringlngly embarrassing at the time.
I believe he and Keane treated themselves to a trip to the Superbowl when Ireland qualified for the 2016 Euros.
He pointed out that the two fo them weren’t homosexual but I think he usd other words.
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JAMESGANG on 25TH MARCH 2021 2:29 PM
The Huns have done well against Europa league opposition. There’s a big gulf in quality between the two competitions. They might do better than us in qualification but the test to your theory about our place in European football only comes when we see if they are truly a “cl team” or are, like we have been, only there to make up the numbers
Rodgers might have his limitations in Europe but his team won everything in sight and were unbeaten and achieved a record points total domestically and were miles off competing in the cl. You can’t write that huge difference in achievement as being down to a lack of ability of our manager against the better teams surely?
Despite the best efforts of our man at the top of European football it looks like the restoring will make it even more difficult for us to compete at the top table.
You don’t compete at the top table do you. Mixing my metaphors there
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Paul67 and his CQN Brit Klan will be delighted
the transfer window slammed shut after the horse had bolted.
VINNIETGEDOG@2:39pm
Well said.👍
We all know that DD admires Roy Keane’s single mindednesss and dedication to winning. It is not surprising that, with PL out of the way, he might try to get Roy back into the gig at Celtic.
Roy Keane is more than a man of forthright readily expresed opinions. He is passionate about ffotball and professionalism and was able to drive himself to levels beyond where his natural ability should have taken him.
His rep within football was of a lone wolf who fell out with most colleagues and mentors. He wasn’t just a hard man; he could also be as nasty and thuggish as Souness (e.g. Alf Inge Haaland) At the same time while he found and maintained no friendships amongst his peers, he was generous and kind with younger players who were willing to offer him respect and continued adulation.
He regrets some aspects of his personality and wishes to change them. he swears he would behave differently if given a chance in management again. However, there is little evidence of this in his continued football punditry. He still comes across as the old Roy Keane- driven, abrasive, having difficulty with alternative opinions and above all, lacking in humility.
Alex Ferguson wasn’t just a hairdryer manager, he was interested in people and what made them tick. Roy looke at Alex and saw this flexibility as an example of two-facedness. As an Old Testament prophet of fire and brimstone, it would be very difficult to tell Roy Keane to consider Plan B as he is welded to the immutable truth of Plan A.
These difficult character traits were worth putting up with when he was a jigh worth performer on a football field. There is nothing in his career in management that speaks of high worth and makes him worth the risk. As a number 2 to MON or even Paul Lambert, he did not rock the boat so maybe if the DoF was seen as Celtic number 1, then Keane could come as a football coach but I doubt Roy would accept a no.2 position with Celtic, especially if it was under someone whose abilities and opinions he did not respect, especially those with non-stellar playing careers.
If DD was touting Roy Keane again, I would expect thet Dom McKay would and should be asking him to think again, just as Peter Lawwell did the last time DD had this enthusiasm. The only way Roy can be sold to Celtic fans is as number 2 to a strong mentor like MON, As he has aready ruled himself out of the job, I’d expect DD to reign himself in and not proceed with this fancy.
If he does not, then I will begin to believe all these tales about non-renewals next year will start to have some substance.
Don’t get me wrong. I plan to be at CP supporting my team, regardless of who they appoint, but I have more than strong reservations about this one. Roy Keane is not as bad as he is painted but he does have flaws which make him seriously unsuitable to managing within Scottish football.
LETS ALL DO THE HUDDLE on 25TH MARCH 2021 2:52 PM
Paul67 and his CQN Brit Klan will be delighted
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Why?
Personally couldn’t give a flying ****.
Silly gesture politics.
I’m more interested to know how an independent Scotland would meet the entry requirements for the EU.
How severe would the austerity measures be, how long would they last and who would be worst affected.
That sort of stuff.