McCann, Miller and sacking managers

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If we are going to be fair to Neil McCann (I realise this is not a necessity), he produced a remarkable turnaround when appointed manager at Dundee in April last year.  Paul Hartley had them heading for relegation before the then Sky Sports panellist turned escapologist.

Eight games into the new season and Dundee are bottom on three points, 12 adrift of newly promoted Livingston, whom they face on Saturday.  Dundee United are suffering in the Championship but the appointment of Robbie Neilson brought a win on his first game at the weekend, raising the spectre that United could go up and Dundee down this season.

There are good reasons to change a manager during a campaign, but poor results alone is not one of them.  We have been here in the past.  Before you jump off a cliff, you need a good idea where you are going to land and that that place is more appropriate than the cliff edge.

There is a chance the Dundee board have agreement with a replacement they are confident in, but there’s also a chance they spent the international break squabbling and now decided to act out of fatigue.

Livingston sacked player-manager Kenny Miller two league games into his tenure, when it was plain to all at Celtic Park on the opening day of the season that his body language to team mates could be interpreted as uniquely challenging.  Since sacking MIller, Gary Holt has been a revelation.  One very wrong decision quickly followed by two very good decisions.

Miller was not sacked for poor results, his only league loss was at Celtic Park, Livingston clearly had other reasons.  Unless Dundee can point to a critical weakness in McCann, and assure themselves that his replacement will be able to avoid this scenario, the sacking will not affect their current trajectory.  Place your bets.

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  1. David66: While at Ground Zero check out the Irish Famine Memorial nearby. It’s a piece of typical Irish landscape literally yards from GZ.

  2. Celtic web site showed just 1 ticket available in the home part of the stadium for Saturday. probably gone as I type.

  3. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    THOMTHETHIM FOR OSCAR OK on 17TH OCTOBER 2018 1:45 PM

     

    Almore,

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I noticed the other day that you were asking for comments on the LLS from London.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I watched it and, overall, wasn’t too impressed.

     

     

     

     

    First of all, I thought the concept of trying for an intimate atmosphere in a large auditorium was wrong.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Apart from Norton, Finbar Fury, Imelda May and, perhaps, Brendan O’ Carroll, the guests weren’t suitably interesting.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    We all know Barry Mc.Guigan and Big Mick’s stories and the “heavy” Brexit segment was riseable.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    To give Farage air time made it almost into an edition of BBC’s Question Time.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Ryan is better on radio.

  4. I want Dundee to stay up, especially now that Rat Boy has been sacked, and Dundee Utd to get promoted. The more Celtic games in Dundee, the better as I can walk to both grounds.

  5. FIELDOFDRAMS on 17TH OCTOBER 2018 2:09 PM

     

    I want Dundee to stay up, especially now that Rat Boy has been sacked, and Dundee Utd to get promoted. The more Celtic games in Dundee, the better as I can walk to both grounds.

     

     

    same for me, it will just take me 7 days each way. -)))

  6. THOMTHETHIM FOR OSCAR OK on 17TH OCTOBER 2018 1:58 PM

     

    THOMTHETHIM FOR OSCAR OK on 17TH OCTOBER 2018 1:45 PM

     

     

    Almore,

     

     

    I noticed the other day that you were asking for comments on the LLS from London.

     

     

    ———

     

     

    guys what is the LLS from London ?

  7. the riot in colour from the pitch.

     

    i think in zoom in i just found my 13 year old greetin face, in denim jacket in front of the pylon, with the family men around me all itching for a fight.

     

     

    its now one of my favorite pictures, its really of its time.

     

     

    nearly 40 years ago allready.

     

     

    the scenes outside were even worse.

     

     

    https://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/imageproxy.php?url=http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj571/GlasgowRoad/null_zpsc7dc0f15.jpg

  8. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    I think that’s St Johnstone. The wee fella just behind the No 6 looks familiar.

     

     

    Dunno who either are though. Thought at first it was Big Shuggie. But naw.

  9. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    Cramond,the wee fella. Definitely played for Ayr. And St Johnstone.

  10. prestonpans bhoys on

    Score 2-0

     

     

    Date: 30 Apr, 1977

     

     

    Kick-off: 15:00

     

     

    Premier Division

     

     

    Attendance: 17,000

     

     

     

     

    Starting 11

     

     

    Peter Latchford

     

     

    Danny McGrain

     

     

    Andy Lynch

     

     

    Pat Stanton

     

     

    Roddy MacDonald

     

     

    Robert Aitken

     

     

    Johnny Doyle

     

     

    Kenny Dalglish

     

     

    Joe Craig

     

     

    Tommy Burns

     

     

    Alfie Conn

  11. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    SAINT STIVS on 17TH OCTOBER 2018 2:25 PM

     

     

    The LLS is an abbreviation of the longest running chat show on the planet.

     

    It stands for the Late Late Show and is broadcast every Friday night on RTE from Autumn to late Spring.

     

     

    They decided to take it over to London last week, to highlight how close the two countries are and how friendly we all are now, presumably with a Brexit slant.

  12. mullet and co 2 on

    Intriguing that the Easdales are now uncovering their Morton ownership or desire to own it.

     

     

    Yet another Scottish club with shareholders / directors who had a previous interest in Rangers. Hamilton, Aidrie, Hearts, Cowdenbeath. Any others? Motherwell?

     

     

    It would be interesting to see how sponsorship and ownership/ shareholding would map out within the Scottish game. Who has an interest in the companies advertising around our game and do they have power in voting in matters the SPFL control?

  13. ThomtheTim: Thanks for response. I don’t usually watch the show (honest😜) but the ‘specials’ are usually worth a gander.

     

     

    Friday night was just poor on so many levels apart from the few notable exceptions you mentioned.

  14. SAINT STIVS on 16TH OCTOBER 2018 10:49 PM

     

     

    for the dunbartonians

     

     

    *as the article says not the original school, that one was the Notre Dame Convent School across the road. Mrs TT and her sisters as well as my mother and her sisters went there. the school just being demolished was built in 1967 and her youngest sister transferred there.

     

     

    The Dan Lynch that is mentioned caught me “borrowing” apples from his garden one morning, called up the school and I got my erse tanned. He taught at Clydebank Tech later on didnae hold a grudge against him as he was quite nice while taking our names.

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    DENIABHOY on 17TH OCTOBER 2018 2:59 PM

     

    I haven’t read back over this morning’s posts so this might have been discussed there. An excellent article by an English journalist on the growing ant-Catholic voice within the English support:

     

     

     

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/england-spain-fans-seville-nations-league-racism-football-lads-alliance-southgate-goals-a8587476.html

     

    =========••=

     

     

    Great article – could never see it being published in a Scottish mainstream newspaper – very sadly.

     

     

    Me and Wee BGFC currently in the Englischer Garten bier keller having zwie Maß Helles. 🤗🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺

     

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

  16. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    ALMORE on 17TH OCTOBER 2018 3:42 PM

     

    ThomtheTim: Thanks for response. I don’t usually watch the show (honest😜) but the ‘specials’ are usually worth a gander.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Friday night was just poor on so many levels apart from the few notable exceptions you mentioned.

     

     

    *****

     

    Not a big fan either, but it is a kind of QPQ for watching the fitba’ before it.

     

     

    We watch it while having a Friday night libation, record the Norton Show to watch after it, as a kind of antidote to the LLS.😊

  17. As I understand it, Neil McCann was quite desperate to join Celtic. He was certainly good enough at that time but Celtic didn’t fancy him enough. Eventually, he made the pragmatic decision to join the foe malign. This was an unpopular choice with many, especially in his home town and apparently those affected made their disappointment clear and personal.

     

     

    Given the circumstances, maybe he’s entitled to a bit of slack.

  18. Fritzsong- that’s a no from me, he made his bed……standing beside his Chairman as he was ‘up to his knees….etc’, a ratbag pundit, who goes the extra mile to be anti Celtic at every opportunity, including pulling out a rule book at CP.Hell mend him,and hope Hector has him in his sights. HH

  19. Fritzsong,

     

     

    But only part of the Neil McCann story, I fear.

     

     

    Very few in the the generations up to Neil McCann had even the inkling of a choice between Celtic or Rainjurz, and Neil McCann was very much a signing of the Souness new Rainjurz era, where being Catholic no longer mattered ( allegedly )

     

     

    Maybe Neil would have preferred Celtic were ‘the contracts even’ but the Rainjurz signing of Neil McCann included being paid by u know wot, that thing that contributed greatly to Ranijurz demise.

     

     

    Since then he’s made a career of defending his old paymaster with the help of ‘the establishment’ he’s a very wealthy man, at least financially.

     

     

    Poor old Celtic

     

     

    HH

  20. A wee repost just to say thank you again.

     

     

    LEFTCLICKTIC on 17TH OCTOBER 2018 12:15 PM

     

    Just had a great suprise, Daniel Bhoy is home and thriving :))))))))))))))))))

     

     

    His face lit up when he saw me.

     

     

    Thank you to each and every one of you for your prayers and kind wishes.

     

    Ohh and last but not least a very special thank you to all the doctors and nurses at the Queen Elizabeth hospital for the work care and compassion they put in every day.

     

    Till later all

  21. Tonight’s live TV football is only 15 minutes away – last 16 of the Champions league Barcelona v Glasgow City. It’s the ladies, don;t you know. Looks like the odds are similar to the last time Celtic visited here – it’s 1/16 for a home win and 18/1 for Glasgow City. BBC Alba.

  22. McCann is an irrelevance, a tax cheat who chose to join a dead Club. Irrelevant. I don’t understand why Celtic supporters hate on him. Also i see Scott Bain has been posting on social media laughing because McCann was sacked. Someone have a word with Scott eh.

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