Neil Lennon, his goalkeeper and defenders will not be too concerned at the loss of their first goal in domestic football yesterday since Noah was a boy. John Rankin’s pot-shot from 20-odd yards clipped the post on its way in but the Dundee United player scored from an area of the field that is usually vigorously monitored by Beram Kayal.
We’re going to miss that guy……
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EDB
Obviously the situation only becomes complex if either the decision is adverse for Rangers, or if there is no decision.
Assuming the former, I tried to overlay the due process of insolvency law on the club licensing requirements for both the SPL and the SFA.
In my view, if Rangers appoint a Receiver in mid April, the likely earliest point, and thereafter are unable to agree terms with their creditors (crucial point), there is pretty much no chance that there will be a Rangers team, either Old or New, in a position to fullfil their licensing requirements, recruit a team, and be capable of committing to the fixture list within the timescales requires.
To be fair, the situation is remarkably complex, with all manner of possiblilities cascading down from a decision to appoint, and it is impossible to be confident of any given outcome. This complexity is what will likely see Scottish Football kicking off season 2012/13 with no team called Rangers on the fixture list.
All in my view of course.
TBB
battered bunnet Totally agree. I admit I succumbed a little to nervousness when they got a goal back, But Tam and Charlie seemed immune.
Re the South Stand, I think the lights we put onver the pitch every day in winter are more significant than the meagre Scottish sun, so it wouldn’t be an issue.
2-1 the Swans!!!!!!
….PFayr says:
15 January, 2012 at 17:10
BSRhopefully their next port of call will be that pig Winter and his atrocious comments on his blog as posted last week
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I hope so too. He is in Australia at present. I got thiys text from a mate of mine who has been a ref in England and is still involved.
“I just heard and saw what you have highlighted. Shocking and vile lunatic , disgraceful I understand that the Strathclyde police are investigating. Deserves to be locked up”
aldersyde
We always had 2 up front yesterday mate for me that was part of the reason we surrendered so much possession in the second half.
RTV will doubtless do a ‘special’ on it and shortbread will have chico covering the latest “O@@ F@@@” outrage.
Tierry “the cheat” henri com’n on.
C’mon Swansea!!
Hamiltontim
I chose my words carefully. I used the term Striker.
G Samaras is not a striker. He just does not score enough goals as he illustrated again by 2 very good chances missed yesterday which were specifically mentioned by Lenny in his post interview.
I do not wish to reopen the GS debate. I am not a fan but I accept GS has been playing well since the Rennes game and has made a good contribution to the run of results.
The Battered Bunnet says:
15 January, 2012 at 17:16
EDB
I am no expert but from what I know if the case goes against them the Hmrc can demand full payment even if they appeal.
Administration and receivers settling debts takes weeks. Passing to a sufficiently far removed other company such as a Newco would be scrutinised. None of this fits the timescale of the close season.
I feel their may be at least one year without them. Hopefully more.
Philbhoy – It’s just the beginning! says:
15 January, 2012 at 17:23
Any Irish lads in the Swansea team that can give that cheating French twat a boot in the nads for me?
Winter is wintering in the Antipodes.
Hate crime figures will be seasonally adjusted on his return.
Brilliant thread on another site:
IF the huns LOSE the tax case how will you celebrate?
Walcott equaliser
mhaddog Is Mise Niall Lennon says:
15 January, 2012 at 17:17
Regarding putting a second tier on the south stand, I’m told, by people who claim to have seen them, that the structural steel drawings were done when the stadium was rebuilt.
I can’t see it happening though, not enough demand, and that’s unlikely to change any time soon.
And as has been said I’m convinced the extra air and light the single tier allows for the pitch is part of the reason it’s so good.
2 goals in 2 minutes!
2-2 and within a minute 3-2 to the Swans!
My mate was asking me at the game yesterday about comments seemingly made by Bartley on the web. Can anyone enlighten me what these might be?
Imo, DU scored a tremendous goal yesterday. I was right in line with it. There is no way our goalkeeper was responsible. The only one who might be criticised (and personally I don’t think he should) is Wanyama for not closing down the play quick enough. The first person I would buy now is our goalkeeper and then, as I said earlier, a Stan Petrov type to guide our young team through games, especially against the knuckle draggers. Our manager is building a TEAM we can enjoy for years, and, imo, integral to that is our goalkeeper.
Oglach
Anyone booting him would be fine by me.
Haven’t seen any TV, but my view was that Sammi ought to have scored with his header in the 2nd half. He did very well to get into the position to score, but the execution was poor. The other chance he effectively made himself, and would have been a remarkable goal had he put it away. Seen worse misses from any number of world class players.
Sammi highlight for me yesterday was in the the first half where he collected the ball, made ground, then skelped an absolute corcker of a cross fielder to Hooper at the back post, who headed across goal to no effect.
I like Sammi btw. Touch melodramatic at times, but the only midfielder we had yesterday who presented a threat (excluding Victor’s goal from the corner). opposition defenders are terified of him. The trouble Nielson went to in the second half to ensure Sammi was taken out (thank you to the Ref…) is evidence of this. They simply cannot play him fair and square. I’d play the fellow every week.
The Battered Bunnet says:
15 January, 2012 at 17:16
Would another delay in the FTT have effect on the CW plan (if there is one )regards timing to get a license for nexr season .
Was this in his mind when stating ragers would not appeal the FTT if it went against them this time round .
hail hail
Swansea score 3-2
Mick says:
15 January, 2012 at 17:28
‘IF the huns LOSE the tax case how will you celebrate?’
I won’t.
I’ll wait till it’s confirmed the newco huns will be playing in Division 3, not the SPL.
If we had gained admission to the EPL, I was told long since, the second tier would have been added to the “old” stand. I believe the pitch is so good because we spend a fortune on special lamps throughout the winter.
That awkward moment where the Arsenal fans are still celebrating as Swansea go back into the lead.
2 more goals to come in the Swansea Arsenal game – 6/1
Jobo
ernie lynch
But wouldn’t it be a GIUY to the hordes
TBB,
You are dead right about Neilsen taking Sammi out of the game, and getting away with it. I was just saying to my mate that DU were playing cleanly when Neilsen huckled him. There was about 15 minutes gone. Mind you, Neilsen did that regularly against us when he played for Hearts, as did his then partner at left back who played for the ROI, Maybury.
Just had a thought….if our man Desmond was of a mind to blow THEM out of the water..could he not put Celtic up as the Newco to the administrator. Sell the ground assets and players. Did JD Sports not just do that with Millets/Blacks?
What a dream?
Mick says:
15 January, 2012 at 17:37
‘ernie lynch
But wouldn’t it be a GIUY to the hordes’
Not if they’re allowed straight into the SPL, free of debt.
That will be a GIRFUY to us.
TBB
Thanks for your reply. I was thinking that if the decision goes against them and they appeal the decision would that then take us into season 2012/2013 with uncertainty hanging over them but other than that nothing meantime will have changed?
ElDiegoBhoy –
thanks for the email earlier. A fantastic amount of time, detail and effort from one cyber-friend to another – what a fantastic bunch of Bhoys and Ghirls we have here on CQN. Thanks again.
Jobo
Still can’t get my head round the fact that they can defraud the HMCR and then get in to the SPHell….dignity
fholks -the South stand:
I seem to remember a conversation with wee fergus back in the day -when he said all the foundation work had been completed to extend the South Stand. It was completed at the same time as the groundwork for the 3 new stands (It factored into the initial building plans)
The intention was to extend the South Stand- come the day, come the hour
marcas og -are you about to confirm -or am I dreaming again? ;-)
HH
M
FSTB
Fact is, no one is convinced Whyte has any sort of plan at all, or if he did, Malmo and Maribor caused it to be scrunched and binned.
I think the plan WAS to take a punt on the tax case, and if it went badly to be in a position to recover the cash plus some extra, and control the destiny of the properties. This relied upon Rangers being able to sustain their cash requirement until the FTT decision came down, which was expected round about now. Because of the continuation, it’s likely to be April before we know the score in that respect, and we simply don’t know if Whyte has the wherewithal to keep the club solvent for the additional unplanned time.
We’ll get a better idea on 1st February when the transfer window is closed and Rangers are either up or down on the deals they do. I suspect they will be up by about £8M, the minimum required to keep them solvent ’til April. If the case is continued again, he’ll need the same again to keep it going until season book renewals. RTC though seems confident that this week will see the case concluded in terms of submissions and argument.
Worst possible thing for Whyte? They don’t manage to conclude the case this week, and he needs to find another chunk of cash to keep his hand in the game.
Repost,BRT&H posted late on last thread,cheers.
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000 says:
15 January, 2012 at 14:43
Good afternoon.
Last night I had the great (ahem) pleasure of spendng some time listening to the musings of those two wise owls Messrs Traynor and English on Radio Scotland.
Whilst listening, I concluded that I am perhaps the most stupid man in Scotland and was fit for the asylum at any old time– or alternatively the esteemed journalists and broadcasters did not listen to or understand their own words and deliberations.
First up, Mr Traynor made it plain with full sage like authority that unless Rangers existed in the top flight of Scottish Football then the game in Scotland was doomed. Doomed to eternal damnation and failure. There was no doubt about this. Without Rangers vying for the title every single year then attendances would fall, revenue would be lost, the quality of the game would be decimated and the football world as we know it would come to an end. To be fair he then thrw in a wee line saying the same would apply to Celtic– but it was just a wee line!
Even Celtic, said the Dalai Traynor, know that their revenues would fall and the club would be skint if Rangers went out of existence and were not allowed into the SPL. Celtic fans would lose out, and we would see poorer players at Celtic park and so on.
You all know the argument and the reasoning behind this thought process so I don’t need to rehearse it here!
Let’s leave the merits of this argument alone for a minute. Whether James T is right or wrong in the argument is of no consequence for this debate. All that is important is that he and presumably others believe that he is correct.
Switch then to a later caller. A very well spoken gent with what sounded an English accent.
His point was to outline a number of refereeing decisions which favoured Rangers FC in recent weeks. Penalties to opposition not given. Good goals against Rangers chopped off in error. Penalties and decisions given to Rangers which were clearly wrong and which clearly changed the balance of the game. Decisions not to extend periods of suspension after mysterious appeals with no merit and so on. This chap had a catalogue of incidents that he was able to cite!
So what was his point asked Uncle Tom? Was he saying that Referees were biased towards Rangers? Tom, was blunt and put the guy on the spot. However, our caller turned the tables and asked him the same question back when Tom said he had some sympathy with a lot of the individual points that he made– the decisions were wrong and were in Rangers favour— however according to Tom, the Refs were not biased and that these things evened themselves out.
The caller refuted that they did even themselves out and stuck to his guns suggesting there was no evidence for the evening out argument. If the ref’s were not biased, how doe we explain the decisions in favour of Rangers? And there the debate ended folks in strange inconclusion.
Now it occurs to this correspondent– who may well just be a dummy– that the two threads of this post are linked.
On the one hand, it is openly argued that football in Scotland cannot exist without a strong Rangers. On the other, no one has an explanation for some really strange decisions that favour Rangers when the going gets tough!!
Really? My I am shocked and bewildered!
Are these guys actively suggesting that in a year when Rangers are not competitive on the field of play, the the actual fortunes of all the other teams decrease? Are they saying that even without the current financial morass at Ibrox, that the rest of Scottish Football suffers if Rangers are not vying for the titles and the cups– yet decisions which favour Rangers and which cannot really be explained yet keep them in the title hunt etc– are just bad luck and pure coincidence?
Does this then mean that Scottish Football would be well and truly banjaxed if Dundee United, Motherwell, Hibs and Hearts hung on to some really good young players, strengthened their footballing resources and results and all beat the Gers in the league etc to the extent that by sheer fair play Rangers did not finish in the top six? Would that be sheer and utter failure for the Scottish game?
Well blow me away and call for the Doctor. Here was me thinking that all the teams in Scotland started the league each year with the mad notion of actually winning the bloody thing!! Now this might be unrealisitic for some, but i did hang on to the daft romantic notion that this is what every team was about!
Obviously, I am a bit stunned to learn from these two hacks that the savvy business men behind the teams in the league actually have it in their business plan that whatever they do, they cannot field a team that will regularly defeat the Gers for fear of upsetting the whole Scottish football business model.
It must be a laugh sitting in at a board meeting of these clubs at the start of each season.
AGENDA
1. How do we improve the league position this season without upsetting the Gers and winning the league so leading to a downturn in turnover and a greater loss of profit?
END of AGENDA
talk about planning to fail!!!!
Sorry but if this is also the mindset at Hampden– and let’s face it that would not be a surprise– then why have a league at all?
If the SFA and SPL believe that they will not exist without a strong Rangers, then are their rules and regulations and the appllication of those rules and regulations designed to ensure that Rangers are strong in each and every year? just asking like!
Now I know that this is a crazy argument, but it is the natural extension to the spouted thoughts of Messrs Traynor and English.
If there is no strong Rangers then everyone else is doomed!
Ok so the logical thing to do is to arrange things so that there is a strong Rangers– yes?
Does that not put into question every single decision that is made by the SPL and the SFA?
Maybe I misundertsood what they were saying. Maybe I am just a balloon who needs locked in the rubber room– but I am certain that is what they said and of course the podcast is available to listen to again.
So there you are– that is the esteemed thoughts of two leading sports journalists– who presumably also believe that there would be no future in reporting on football– eh– unless there is a strog Rangers!!!
Or have I got that wrong too?
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The appeal for Vanessa Riddle has passed the £70k mark which is great but there is a long way to go.
Can I ask folk to print the picture from the big screen yesterday ( link below ) with the words Text VANY99 £x to 70070 on it and use it like a wee poster. Put one on your car, take another into work and just spread the news by e-mail, twitter, word of mouth etc.
I know I am being a pain in the arse about this but the wee lassie’s Grandad works with my brother in law and some other CQNers at Prestwick and they need our support.
This disease is cureable in the states and the hospital in Philadeplphia where she will hopefully go has a whole department dedicated to treatment. Tom Hanks has set up a foundation or a movement to publicise this very disease and how it can be beaten.
I am sure that when you get the news that your daugher has a less than 10% chance of living unless you come up with £500k the the natural reaction is to think well that sum is impossible!!
It is a disgrace that it has to be raised at all– ( all because our Government will not fund research and departments )– but the fact is that the funds can be raised– AND WILL BE RAISED!
Vanessa first met the team whilst at Yorkhill in 2009. The Celtic players made a big impression and she is a Celtic fan– not because of what happens on the pitch, but because of the Celtic message off the pitch!
So please do what you can for her– but also do what you can because this is what we are all about as a club. To be fair to him, Tom English was one of the first to retweet my messages to him and stated that this was a dreadful fight for this wee girl.
No matter what view otthers may have of Scottish Football and what should happen within it, Celtic stand for something away from football– and raising money for Vanessa is just an example of the Celtic way.
This and other sites have advanced the cause and many are in contact via Twitter, e-mail etc.
I have a daugher who is the same age as Vanessa just about and there but for the grace of God……………..
So please print the details and give it some publicity. Give what money you can– there have been 4000 or so donations to date- but if everyone who went to Seville stuck in a fiver then this wee girl would be on her way.
By the way some said my e-mail was bouncing yesterday– that is because it was full!
it is now cleared so anyone can get in touch
jim@strandsky.co.uk or @broganrogantrev on twitter
Cheers
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vagelisgeo/6697198615/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3GGC8PzSBA
http://www.justgiving.com/vanessa-appeal
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Remember there was some talk on here a few days ago about random coincidences?
Well, amazingly some academic has just set up a website about such things!
What are the chances of that happening?
http://understandinguncertainty.org/coincidences
Thanks to all the replies to my earlier query.
The Battered Bunnet says:
15 January, 2012 at 17:46
The ideal outcome would of course be that Whyte doesn’t manage to keep them going til the tax case is resolved, they’re liquidated, and then get a successful judgement in the tax case.
ElDiegoBhoy says:
15 January, 2012 at 17:39
If hmrc win they can demand payment immediately despite any further appeal.
They pay it back with interest if the lose further appeal.
No use to Huns they do not have money to pay them.
Hmrc winds them up and takes money from their assets.