Do you remember the early days of Celtic Quick News when one wit suggested this was a blog for accountants? Our early years did a great deal to bring a wider understanding of accounts and finance to Celtic fans – which was a good thing.
Today your fan of Scottish football needs to know about more than the game and amortisation, a semester or two in law school is an enormous advantage. We touch on legal matters here but last night I enjoyed reading the forensic analysis on the wonderful Duff and Phelps on the Web 3D Law blog. It’s worth 10 minutes of your day, each day, the most recent blog especially. I also assume you are all keeping an eye on the substantial thoughts on Paul McConville’s blog. If not, I want to know why.
So much for accounts and the law, today I want to discuss philosophy with you.
When football-types talk about morality and hypocrisy they are usually worth listening to, if only for comedic value. Anyone experiencing the Scottish media will not doubt that morality is subjective and chameleon in nature. This question has exercised great minds for centuries, if only they had the benefit of our effervescent radio luminaries.
Despite being metaphorically surrounded by morally opportunistic hypocrites, Ally McCoist felt so secure in his demands for Rangers that he didn’t dodge the issue yesterday.
When asked if Rangers should be kicked out of the SPL he accepted it “might be the right thing to do morally and people will have their own opinions on it, with differences far and varied.
“There’s an argument the right thing to do is for Rangers to go down to the Third Division and that might be the case if it’s a Newco after liquidation.
“But is it the correct thing to do for Scottish football? Probably not. Everybody’s got a dilemma and that’s why there are so many opinions on it.
“Whether people like it or not, Rangers and Celtic are different because of the size and magnitude of the two clubs.
“Supporters of other clubs and some Old Firm supporters say you can’t have rules for some clubs and not for others.
“In an ideal world, that would be 100 per cent correct. I would absolutely and totally agree with that.
“But the fact of the matter is we’re asking if it would be good for the rest of the SPL if Rangers went down to the Third Division? The answer has to be no.
“I don’t envy the people who have to make that decision. I can understand the hypocrisy of it but Rangers and Celtic are different.”
Rangers are different – no dispute about that, Ally. Celtic are different again, but if it is hypocritical and morally wrong to provide support for these clubs which has never been extended to a smaller club, we cannot subvert our sport – and remember, the word SPORT implies that outcomes are determined on a level playing field – Rangers must be treated no differently than Gretna.
And just one correction for Ally: liquidation-and-phoenix would not see Rangers drop to the Third Division. A Newco in the Third Division would not have dropped from anywhere, it would be a new company and new football team. Rangers would, in these circumstances, go pop!
One* team in Glasgow,
There’s only one team in Glasgow.
One team in Glasgow,
There’s only one team in Glasgow.
*excluding, juniors, youths, lower leagues, amateurs and Celtic Ladies.
Pop! And they’re gone!
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blantyretim on 28 April, 2012 at 17:08 said:
Cheers :)
Wow.
Excoriating stuff from Glenn Gibbons today.
And the comments below are so heartening.
It would seem to me, from afar, that any attempt to get the fix in re next season will be emphatically rejected by ‘Planet Fitba’ (Phil Mac – copywright ack.’d).
Le chat est oot the bag.
Just interested what does a CQN badge look like?
My dear,dear,dear,friend… Up Over Goal
Ah like yer suggestion.. aboot.. the Paddy and Leddy.. combo.
Yep. It sure Woiked a Treat ,in the Last Game..
Frankly, Ah hid come tae the conclusion that Paddy, wiznae ma Cuppa. Tea…
So a Tried .. hivin’ a Cuppa Coffee,insteed…and
Whadya Know,Joe?
Ah fun oot that . Paddy ,wiz .. tae ma Delight..
MA Cuppa Coffee!
Yep. Paddy.. has noo convinced Me, that he is a Qualiteee
Player, especially, after . noting ..how oor Game Brightened up..when he wiz introduced.. Agin the Motherwell..’
So..
By,all means..
Bring oan Paddy.. but, with this Wan… Proviso….
Funnily,enuff..
Although, Ah am Noo a Dedicated Coffee Drinker..
Ah am still of the Opinion ..
That..
Paddy.. Is NOT a Ninety Minute Man..
Howevah.. he is Soitenly an Excellent
Impact Player…
Kojo
yer pal..who likes ye aloater.
Still, Laughin’
Oglach- it looks like the bestest badge in the World ;/>
Radio now reporting 7000 TFOD fans doing a “Jericho” at Hampden.
The smell must have been awful Dynorod’s phones must have been red hot……..
A candle, and at the Vigil I’ll light another one.
Waiting on this liquidation thing.
Beginning to feel like an Israelite doing forty years in the desert.
oglach
Infused with vitrious luminescence, with a hint of amber ambience transmogrifyingly transcending it’s tremulousness.
A bit like that:)
THE EXILED TIM on 28 April, 2012 at 17:07 said:
thomthethim
As soon as they are blended, the sfa will expell them.
Then we have the problem of the newco
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Yea, they will be automatically defunct, but I am hoping for punitive measures that could exorcise their ghost, making it impossible for any form of reincarnation.
Not too much to hope for,surely?
Bottom line? I want us out of there!
Glendalystonsils likes a mr whippy with his lime green jelly on 28 April, 2012 at 11:13 said:
Even as the coffin is lowered into the ground, the Daily Record refuses to admit the occupant is dead
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Canny blame them,really.
They didnae cough up for the hatches,matches and dipatches notice.
telling the truth should be expected from a journalist but in this horrible environment it was an excellent courageous article by Gibbons today. It should make the cowardly sneaky Traynor/Young/Jackson/Keevins etc squirm as they collect their pay packet but ,given their lack of manhood or things more sinister, it wont!
Anyone know if Kano dinner is informal tonight…off to get train soon.
quonno
I’m very impatient by nature but I’m now starting to hope they’ll hang on a few weeks more so I can lose the ice.-cream pounds I put on in that first month first…..
Dontbrattbakkinanger on 28 April, 2012 at 17:15 said:
Oglach- it looks like the bestest badge in the World ;/
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See now i don’t believe you as i own the 2 best badges in the world – an little Easter Lily and another badge with the Celtic Club crest. Perhaps the CQN might be number 3 but not knowing what it looks like for all i know it could be 8″ round made from cardboard cut from a corn flake box with CQN written in green crayon – (actually that sounds ok i’d wear it) :-)
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now available via CRC
DBBIA
People’s faithfulness to ole pabbers is another joy – if that sounds right?
Next time we share a pint I’ll relate the only time I met him – in BBs.
Even with generous asterisks I couldn’t relate the short conversation…
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islescelt – put on yer best party frock!
Smart casual I believe. Maybe see you there, I’ll be at Table 3 (I think!).
TTTT
Wee Christina’s are bigger than regular CQN’rs of course
TootingTim on 28 April, 2012 at 17:18 said:
oglach
Infused with vitrious luminescence, with a hint of amber ambience transmogrifyingly transcending it’s tremulousness.
A bit like that:)
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Your description doesn’t do the badge justice!!
TTTT
You behave yersel the night!!
TootingTim on 28 April, 2012 at 17:18 said:
oglach
Infused with vitrious luminescence, with a hint of amber ambience transmogrifyingly transcending it’s tremulousness.
A bit like that:)
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Your description doesn’t do the badge justice!!
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It’s made from cardboard isn’t it?
I’ve always had the fantasy of flying into the midden in a helicopter with two big tanks of slurry and a hose attached but surely todays march would’ve been logistically easier whereby a better approach to the hoardes with a bigger aeroplane could’ve been used or perhaps 2 or 3 of those bush firefighting helicopters could’ve been useds nice big fly by for the animals who are about to die.
HT
who has him sleeping at 10.30 in the sweep?
I’ve got 11.15….
Wee Christina will have someone’s eye out with that badge…
ht – I’ll even have a coffee after the meal….caffeine will stop me nodding off !
Sitting with TTT, CRC & MWD. so who would blame me?! :-)
T4
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Glenn Gibbons: McCoist and Smith fail to see true Ibrox saboteurs
Published on Saturday 28 April 2012 03:57
FOR someone who is possibly the oldest rookie manager in the history of the game, Ally McCoist this week gave a flawless impersonation of an impulsive, vengeful and nasty-minded adolescent.
Notoriety attached itself to the former striker with the suddenness and potential devastation of a pernicious virus the moment he demanded the release of the names of the three-man independent review panel who imposed sanctions on Rangers in accordance with the seriousness of the Ibrox club’s breaches of football’s regulations.
The suspicion that his disturbingly sinister outburst – “I want to know who these people are, Rangers supporters want to know who these people are” – was a prime example of premeditated mischief-making did not take long to harden into certainty. It came with the revelation of an SFA spokesperson that the supposedly bemused manager would undoubtedly already have known the identities of the judges, since Rangers had a representative attend the entire judicial proceedings.
At a stroke, McCoist’s long-established image as an ebullient and irrepressible charmer was transformed into a hideous representation of spiteful retribution. Nor did the damage inflicted on his own reputation come anywhere near to being undone by his declaration the following day that he was “disgusted” by the thought of any Rangers fan visiting abuse on the panel members and issuing threats against them and their families so distressing that the police began investigations with a view to criminal charges.
“I would not for one moment want anyone to interpret my remarks as a signal to engage in any form of threatening behaviour,” he said. The picture of a stable door being bolted while, in the background, a horse at the gallop disappears over the horizon springs to mind.
It was noticeable, too, that McCoist’s attempt at a “rescue” did not even hint at the possibility of culpability on his part, far less an apology to the panellists and their distraught families.
He may be relatively inexperienced in his present post, but he has been in professional football for 33 years, all but a handful of them in association with Rangers. In the circumstances, he would, unquestionably, be perfectly aware of the potential for appalling behaviour among certain followers of the club.
If nothing else, he ought surely to have been familiar with the regularly-documented and legally-pursued instances of assaults, abuses, threats and attempts on the life of his rival at Celtic, Neil Lennon.
But McCoist’s injudiciousness simply chimes with the general transformation of Rangers over the past two decades from a trophy-gathering phenomenon into a magnet for bad management. The series of saboteurs ranges from David Murray, whose ego-driven excesses should be recognised as the single most significant factor in Rangers’ present predicament, through the questionable motives and actions of his successor, Craig Whyte, to the representatives of Duff & Phelps, now widely regarded as the most incompetent administrators ever to be charged with righting a listing football club.
Astoundingly, Murray seems still to command the loyalty of a reliable band of apologists, among whom his former manager, Walter Smith, may be understandably – and even forgivably – numbered.
But the attempts in certain quarters of the media to present a revisionist view of history – one in which Murray is totally exculpated in the matter of Rangers’ potentially fatal wounding – have been utterly shameless. It is as though the former owner/chairman, who is officially dead where football is concerned, continues to exert an influence on his former lapdogs from beyond the grave.
Smith’s recent exercise in condemning Whyte was such an example of unadulterated propaganda, complete with see-through inaccuracies, that it was easy to wonder if we were playing the old time machine game, returning to the Murray heyday.
Having expressed bewilderment over the speed with which Rangers seemed to have descended into penury, Smith insisted that he had, at the end of last season, left “a debt-free club” that was on a sound financial footing. Staggeringly, he insisted that the extravagances of the Murray tenure were an irrelevance.
“You can make your own judgment on what happened before,” said Smith, “but the fact is none of that mattered. In May of last year, all of that had disappeared.”
Well, all of it except the £18 million of bank debt that had been transferred to Whyte, the admitted £4.2 million bill known as the wee tax case, the millions owed to clubs in Scotland, England and Europe for a variety of reasons, plus a lengthy list of creditors from ancillary trades.
There was also, of course, the spectre of the big tax case, which could yield a further liability of upwards of £70 million.
To paraphrase John Cleese in Monty Python’s Life of Brian, “apart from that, what harm did David Murray ever do Rangers?”
As if Murray and Whyte were not enough for one benighted club to take, the administrators have, since their arrival, proved about as helpful as gatecrashers. Consultation with an array of qualified people in the financial and legal professions has confirmed that none has ever heard of a period of administration that has not produced a single redundancy
BT
He should take a wee flask of coffee to keep him awake :-)
Bournesoup……,
The CQNER badge does not shrink to fit inferior chests.
Oops
CQN
TTTT
God with that lot I wouldn’t bother taking the caffeine :-))
Uly -the only thing saltier than his language was his driving.
HT
T4 beat you to it… o))
BT
You not in attendance this evening?
thomthethim
I can’t see them being up and running for next season, there is not enough time, nor will a newco have a licence, the time has passed for one.
There will be court cases galore, the infighting will be a joy to watch.
I think minty will lose his gong, thank feck it will be out of the scottish media’s hands when they are found guilty at the FTT.
I can also imagine a couple of parties will come forward to try and pheonix a newco, Q more infighting.
Interesting summer ahead.
Then we have Ireland in the euros, looking forward to their game against Spain, I think they will beat Italy and Croatia, they will qualify, then who knows, A Spain Ireland final would be the icing on the cake :>)
HT
nope, my dad is going…
saving my pennies for tomorrow…
glasgowghirl on 28 April, 2012 at 16:44 said:
oglach on 28 April, 2012 at 17:12 said:
navanbhoy on 28 April, 2012 at 17:05 said:
et al
Still some of those finely advertised (thanks Bournesoup..) CQN badges available.
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