St Johnstone (through manager Steve Lomas) and Kilmarnock, through Rangers supporter (literal sense) Michael Johnston, have both declared their vote to allow a Newco to take Rangers place in the SPL next season. Celtic will vote against and Dundee United appear open to persuasion. The next most important team in the country is Motherwell.
Motherwell, alongside Celtic, Dundee United and St Johnstone have a place on the SPL board. They are migrating towards ownership and control by a large number of small supporter-shareholders, they’ve benefited from Rangers demise and in July will feature in the Champions League qualification draw, broadcast live from Monaco.
On the downside, despite their on-field success this season, the club will have to trim football budget for the coming season as Champions League qualifying money does not make up for earning less from cup runs this season and inflation pushing costs up.
Motherwell fans seemed to enjoy their visit to Ibrox on Saturday but does anyone expect them to vote against Rangers?
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No contortion of the mind can change what the Darnel are, whatever happens it’s all good for Celtic. My Message.
Hail Hail.
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Who is actually voting on Newco?
Paul67 seems to be saying it’s the SPL board (comprising DU, St J, Celtic, M’well, Topping, Doncaster(casting vote)) but according to BBC’s Chris McLaughlin, “All 12 clubs now sitting around the table here at Hampden”.
Is it the board or the association?
James F,
Saw your comment re sponsorship & investment
The damage in this area was done a long time ago .
We are already seeing all of the major competitions either struggle to get a sponsor, or having to accept reduced terms, and the current circus will only make it worse.
As Thompson at Dundee Utd , said yesterday, we are in a lose :lose situation because of the actions of one club , and the lack of appropriate governance by the various football bodies.
From a sponsorship perspective the income is likely to dry up for two reasons (1) they won’t invest in a league without Rankers , or (2) they knock the price down because it is a tainted league ….damned if we do , and damned if we don’t etc.
Anyone thinking that , for example , a bookmaker , will happily hand over sponsorship cash to a league without proper governance , or one that fails to act on impropriety is living in cuckoo land.
So , where does that leave us ?
Bottom line is we are all going to suffer, but , unless the core culprits are appropriately dealt with, then we will delay the inevitable worsening of the problem.
Solve it now , and vote No to Newco
up_over_goal on 7 May, 2012 at 14:38 said:
do the clubs not vote for it
and then the SPL board make the final decision regardless of what the vote was by the clubs?
so in reality there is no need for the 12 clubs to vote as its the SPL boards decision anyway?
tommytwiststommyturns on 7 May, 2012 at 13:57 said:
You’re assuming the threat on its own wouldn’t work.
I think the threat would work.
If it didn’t, then in the words of Bernadette Devlin, ‘To gain that which is worth having, it may be necessary to loose everything else.’
There’s a potential risk to what I’m suggesting and most clubs wouldn’t do it, but we are not most clubs.
What you, and those like you, are ignoring is that the status quo is not an option. The idea that we can just sail on, squad and management structure intact, untainted by what we had colluded in, is delusional.
When is the vote today?
Passions running high.
Lot’s of wonderful points and arguments. It’s really simple at the end of the day, listen to your conscience. The knowledge you’ve gained as a Celtic supporter has schooled you well.
antrimkev
That makes no sense whatsoever (so is probably what happens).
ernie lynch on 7 May, 2012 at 14:43 said:
Lynch, you are right.
Breaking news:newco has been granted top flight status next season and will start with a ten point advantage over the rest of the league.There’s more chance of that happening than justice being done!!
Doh
apologies my post about fiorentina complaining to UEFa was not from RTC .Im just getting jumpy it was someone corresponding with him & others.
Unless they kick the hun newco into the bottom of the SFL after they reapply for a place scottish football is doomed.
Sorry again.
up_over_goal,
Today’s vote is on the Cheats’ Charter – the proposed changes to SPL rules. The clubs (as the members of the SPL) make these decisions.
The decision on whether to transfer the SPL share from Rangers FC PLC (in administration) to a Newco is still to come. If/ when it does it will be the six man SPL Board that makes the decision. There is talks of clubs’ opinions being canvassed first but the Board will make the final decision.
Ernie – Sorry to bring a little “reality bites” to your proposal, but I’ve asked you before, how would a club with Celtic’s overheads survive in division 3?
We’d lose sponsorshp deals, fans and income. How would we keep the lights on in the the stadium? How would we maintain the club’s staff?
You’re asking for Celtic people to face redundancy in already bleak economic times. A very noble sacrifice to ask others to make.
up_over_goal on 7 May, 2012 at 14:47 said:
i genuinley think it is a case of making up the rules as they go along
Fiat justitia ruat caelum!!!
james forrest
dont disagree with anything you write
can i ask question of you that i dont know answer to myself
what if ***** Celtic know that the other 10 will vote them in regardless
so they try and get whatever punitive punishments against them they can get voted through
however ***** they are keeping there bluster against the newco/oldco for the ebt’s
they are saving there fight to have them stripped of titles and cups and ensuring that their biggest punishment will be to have their titles taken off them
would this be a better finale knowing that any actions on entry to spl would be futile
interested on your take genuially
Nacho Novo’s EBT – was that the reason he said yes to RFC and no to CFC?
Tax free payments can be very persuasive argument in a two choice decision process.
Tainted titles? More like Toxic Titles.
Just seen Adams got Manager of The Year,whit?
SonsOfErin on 7 May, 2012 at 14:52 said:
Your argument is that the cheats espouse. The Kilmarnock chairman’s too.
Big-Cup winners – I happen to be talking about Celtic, and the reasons cited for moving to division 3.
I believe rangers is a totally different discussion. Don’t you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google&v=eiuHdUkuRi0
All Toxic Titles and Toxic Trophies must be stripped.
Gordon_J
Thanks for that. 6 man board = invite to Newco a certainty. The only thing remaining is whether a) Bill Miller actually goes ahead with it, and b) the SFA grant them a licence. Hopefully, UEFA will have an influence. How can they sit by and watch financially compromised clubs tear up the rulebook for a corrupt club?
Excellent piece.
http://henryclarson.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/commercial-benefits-outweigh-sporting-integrity-official/
Question
Currently the fully paid up members of the SPL are having a debate/vote to formulise a set of rules should a team ever apply to them to become a newco
Currently rangers are a fully paid up member of the SPL
Do rfc have a vote in todays discussions?
The disfunctional banks should have been made to fail. Smaller more vibrant banks would have made their way into the marketplace to create a more varied & diverse financial environment for customers & society as a whole. These small banks would have replaced the monolithic structures of bloated super banks that regularly threaten the macro-economic stability of the global markets. Monopoly’s are ultimately devastating to the health of an economy.
Thevsame should be made to happen to Rankers: they have functioned beyond their means & now must be stripped back to a scale they can maintain through self-generating resouces. Any surplus in their influence can be transfered & redistributed amongst the other clubs in the future.
Competition & monopolisation of power for one club/protectionism for that club are always diametrically opposed- whether it is football or business.
I don’t believe the economic arguments for hun protectionism hold water. There are just too many holes for the establishments cause to remain continent.
SonsOfErin
Nonsense. We increase our spending to Manchester City levels. Yes and in division three. We tell Yaya Toure that we will pay him 500k a week and bring his mates. We pay 99.999% of their wages through EBT´s and when it goes belly up we Newco cos we are a Scottish club.
Hail Hail
Tamrabam
yes.
Hail Hail
I don’t expect any of my posts to be answered or acknowledged. But I’m getting more than a little hacked off at the occasional use of mysogynistic terms. If we’re a club open to all, then respect and dignity needs to go hand in hand with that ethos.
Terms such as “hun bitches” and as I saw a couple of weeks ago “bitch slappin ‘ ” are not acceptable. Even if they were meant in jest.
I have no problem with honest disagreement but I would prefer we said it in a language that doesn’t offend and demean us.
That’s you told then :>)
SonsOfErin on 7 May, 2012 at 14:52 said:
”Ernie – Sorry to bring a little “reality bites” to your proposal, but I’ve asked you before, how would a club with Celtic’s overheads survive in division 3?
We’d lose sponsorshp deals, fans and income. How would we keep the lights on in the the stadium? How would we maintain the club’s staff?
You’re asking for Celtic people to face redundancy in already bleak economic times. A very noble sacrifice to ask others to make.”
I repeat, for the umpteenth time, I believe the threat would be enough.
If it wasn’t.
Has it even begun to occurr to you how much impact, on a worldwide basis, Celtic electing to start off in the third division would have? How much media interest, on an ongoing basis, there would be? How it would play with the Irish (and to some extent Scottish) diaspora?
Surely even the meanest intelligence can see what commercial benefit could be wrung from that.
Where’s the loss of income?
If Celtic were to leave the SPL, apply to the SFL for inclusion in the third division, it would be suicide.The mother of all self harming’s.
leitrimghirl
if you are getting a little hacked of over something that happens only occasionally. Why dont you get completely hacked off about something that happens all the time ?
Hail hail
Paul,
You seem remarkably certain that Celtic will vote against a newco. Abstention at the best, or worst, in my book. As I have posted previously. DD and PL will be hoping for a CVA outcome.
Here’s what the Dons fans think:
http://www.donssupporterstogether.com/dst-on-rangers-newco-sporting-integrity-and-the-financial-reality/
It s incredible that a meeting is being held to find a way to allow law breakers an opportunity to circumvent punishment.. It’s a scandal.. How many of those meeting today would expect to be paid for their job? If they were not paid they would be angry or resort to legal action.
This is the reality , Rankers pay no one , flout laws and there are people actually discussing whether to cut them some slack..
Only in Scotland, only in Glasgow and only for Rankers would such blatant ,immoral and incredible behaviour occur..
Disgusting..
HH
Where s Erin Brokovich when you need her?