Mr Green and his invidious meetings


Information leaked from Charles Green that he is due to meet Celtic chief executive, Peter Lawwell today.  I’ve no idea if it’s true (sooo many wrong steers from over there) but, if accurate, it puts our man in an invidious position.  Mr Green appears generous when reviewing the success of meetings.

At his infamous ‘Blood on their hands’ press conference, would-be-pope-of-Ibrox, Brian Kennedy, told us “HMRC will not agree to a CVA until the very last minute”.  Why would they?  We believe Green has offered £8.5m but he has spoken about having raised £20m.  If HMRC are negotiating at all (and I have my doubts) they will want as much of that £20m as possible, and I’m sure they will, as Mr Kennedy suggested, wait until the very last minute before agreeing to anything (they won’t, b.t.w.).

None of this matters to Mr Green, he can say HMRC told him they’ll scrub the debt if he paints the Blue Room pink and no one can contradict him.  He is likely to be looking for some comfort from Mr Lawwell but I am sure he will be told that Celtic are unable to support any measure to parachute a Newco into the SPL (after his CVA fails, which it will).  Mr Green, who is also trying to maintain the support of the backers needed to commit cash by Friday, will almost certainly emerge from the meeting uttering words like “constructive”, “helpful” or maybe even “very positive”.

He is wasting his time.  Words like “sobering”, “alarming” and “downright obstinate” might be closer to the truth.

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  1. Paul67 et al



    If Charles Green is serious about buying into the Old Firm, first he has to get assurances that the Old Firm is still an ongoing concern. Peter Lawwell is just the man to give him that assurance. Or not as the case may be.

  2. Tam knew what he was saying – it wasnt in jest, he was having a sly wee dig at Celtic



    the fact that he says he will donate to a charity after being pulled about it, says a lot



    thats the last i will say on tams “joke”

  3. Misjudged or not, the joke Paul referred to in his previous blog does raise an important question. What do the Thai Tims mean to you?



    Is it just some cute kids singing Celtic songs that folks are going for… I dunno, in all the acres of stuff written about these kids I don’t see an awful lot that recognises the plight of children in the third world. It’s hard not to think that many Celtic fans just like it when foreigners sing about Celtic, particularly cute ones. At any rate, in the hope that I’m wrong, what’s wrong with posing some question of our board – who makes our strips, how much do they get paid, and are we comfortable with that.


    Of course the Thai Tims aren’t stitching our strips together, but in all likelihood someone far too young and underappreciated was involved in the production of your Celtic top… and mine, sadly.



    Yet another issue that is rather too complicated for this kind of forum.



    The other issue has become so dense, so fanciful and so pervasive that I’ve lost interest. I honestly can’t get my head around the motives involved. The detail is fine, but why is mind-boggling.


    I thought I may have completely lost interest… I was dismayed by how little I had begun to care about Scottish Football and by extension Celtic, but a few weeks ago you posted a few thoughts on Celtic and the team, and the blog was the most fun its been in ages. I’m back to disinterested and extremely sceptical about the future of Scottish football.


    I really hope the football fans amongst the Celtic support aren’t forgotten. Whilst I strongly advocate the Celtic approach and would like UEFA to point the rest of Europe in our direction, this is ultimately rather too much like my job – financial, political and a wee bit boring. How do we put the fun back into football? If not how, then when?

  4. Son of Gabriel on

    I agree that PL shouldn’t be wasting his time with this guy, but would it not also be unreasonable for a chief executive of a major company to refuse a meeting with a millionaire, head of a supposed consortium, who has invested in clubs in the past.



    I don’t want the guy anywhere near my club but at the same time PL could be giving him an idea of how a well run clubs finnances operate, considering that Celtic would be the nearest template for a functional huns Co.



    Id be more worried if it were Desmond he was meeting. This is just another batch of smoke and mirrors I’d guess.



    Maybe he wants some spare change ;)




  5. James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on 28 May, 2012 at 11:35 said:




    “Mr Doncaster, do you think Rangers should be kicked out of the league if they end up liquidated? Or do go the Frankenstein route, attach jumper cables to their gonads and turn up the juice?”



    “I think Rangers survival is all that matters.”



    “Neil, what about fairness and fair play?”



    “What about it? That doesn’t matter to me at all.”



    “So, you’re saying Rangers should stay in the league? And if they’re found guilty of illegal contracts? What about that?”



    “Keep them in the league. You have to.”



    “Mr Doncaster, do you think Rangers should be kicked out of the league if their players attack other players?”



    “Are you saying they’ve done that?”



    “No, but would that be legitimate?”



    “Everything Rangers do should be legitimate.”



    “Let’s be clear here; would you agree Rangers should be kicked out of the league if their players were found to have been paid with Grade A Plutonium stolen from Iranian nuclear reactors?”



    “Well do you think Celtic would be?”



    “Mr Doncaster, do you think for one second that morality has a place in football or sport?”



    “I don’t think morals are important to sport. Or fairness. Or rules.”



    “Yes, but how far is too far Mr Doncaster?”



    “If Rangers players want to camp on the halfway line with automatic weapons then they should be allowed to do that.”



    “Mr Doncaster, do you not think that would be damaging to the game?”



    “If Rangers are punished that would be damaging to the game ….”



    And on it will go.




    Brilliant J F!



    Maybe the clever guy who did ‘Explaining Debt to a Hun’ could do a ‘Explaining Fair Play to Doncaster’ cartoon.



    It would, of course, end with ‘Rangers will never die………’

  6. RalphWaldoEllison-is Neil Lennon Season 2011-12 on



    Top spot is suspicious but top two looks like collusion.






  7. twists n turns on

    Paul 67



    you say you have your doubts as to whether the HMRC are in discussions. I agree. Why would they be? This Green character has (to my knowledge) not bought the rancid club in question, so, why would the HMRC discuss possible CVA’s with him? They’d be as well talking to you or I would they not?



    I would also imagine, when the time comes, there will be a formal process for applying for a CVA, and that will almost certainly involve submitting a proposal for consideration by HMRC, and a straightforward yes or no to the applicant.



    The papers up here just get worse by the day. You would think they’d have learned by now, but apparently not. Every crumb of comfort possible thrown into the bear pit and feasted on by the gullible hordes. Quite frankly they deserve no better for the sheer naivety they display.



    As for Peter Lawell, if he has agreed to speak with Green it can only be to ascertain the newhun/admin thoughts on the vote due up soon, because as I say, as yet, Green owns the same amount of them as you or I do. Why talk to Green? The admin team will have the vote at that meeting as things stand, shall they not?

  8. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!..Truth and Justice will always prevail on

    I don’t think Peter will be meeting him at all…….at least, I hope not….!!!



    Why would Peter meet him when he is not the owner of RIA

  9. Son of Gabriel on

    Bonty Bhoy:



    If I were you I’d pose that question to Nike. Our tops come out of their kitchen the same as all their other gear, where it gets made and who by is something I’d definitely consider important, especially with the amount of money we have to fork out for them.



    Also, didnt see Tam’s joke but it is out of order, I hope he prints an apology in his next article and hope its true about his supposed comment to give a sizeable donation to the charity.

  10. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!..Truth and Justice will always prevail on

    BontyBhoy on 28 May, 2012 at 13:24 said:



    Dearie me……. Are you a bhun..?

  11. Kilbowie Kelt on

    The REAL Tam Cowan. March 2010………………




    STUNNED dinner guests told of their shock last night — after radio comic Tam Cowan allegedly branded an innocent priest a paedophile.



    The radio and TV football pundit is said to have hurled the vile insult at Father Gerry Magee while speaking at a sportsman’s function.



    Cowan first joked that he hoped the churchman’s team, Celtic, would get a hammering in the Old Firm match at Ibrox last month.


    But when Fr Magee quipped he was actually the biggest RANGERS fan in town, Cowan, 40, replied: “You’re the biggest paedophile in town.”



    The priest and at least two other diners then stormed out of the event, at the Masonic Lodge in Kilwinning, Ayrshire.



    Cowan, who co-hosts BBC Radio Scotland’s ‘Off The Ball’ show and writes a column for a tabloid newspaper, was later reported to police by the furious cleric.



    Last night, Fr Magee, 54, of Saint Winin’s Church in Kilwinning, said it would be inappropriate to discuss the sick remark.



    But one source revealed: “Everyone was gobsmacked at what Tam Cowan had said. Nobody laughed. It wasn’t even funny.



    “Fr Magee was at the dinner as a guest of the local Masons, and when Tam Cowan got up to speak, he asked the local priest to identify himself.



    “When Fr Magee stood up, Cowan said to him ‘I hope your team gets f****d’ — referring to Celtic. Fr Magee was shocked and tried to make light of it by saying ‘I am the biggest Rangers fan in the town’.



    “Apparently, Cowan’s reply to that was ‘You’re the biggest f*****g paedophile in the town’.



    “Everyone was in total shock and no one took it as a joke.”



    Last night, a spokeswoman for Strathclyde Police confirmed: “An allegation has been made and police inquiries are at an early stage to establish whether any crime has been committed.”



    Cowan could not be contacted last night.





    Enough said !


    BONTYBOY 1324



    It might be helpful to your understanding of THE THAI TIMS if you did a bit of basic research.



    As ERNIE LYNCH said a long time ago,try this site.




  13. James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on




    That’s it in a nutshell mate. Our club has maintained almost total silence since this began. Many on this site believe that to be a good thing.



    And yet we’re now asked to believe Charles Green can get a meeting with our chief executive, and be told what the plans of the club are? Or, at worst, give him the power to walk out of Celtic Park and say what he likes? Peter Lawwell and Celtic are going to tell this joker what they won’t even tell us?



    That is not right, and no excuses should be made for the people inside our club who allowed such a meeting to take place. No amount of spin will convince me that it is a legitimate move.



    What price our silence if Green comes out the front door and tells the press lies? What happens to the silent strategy then?



    I repeat; if Lawwell takes the meeting I will fear the worst.

  14. BhoyinEngland on

    Until Ranger’s fate has been decided by the SPL/SFA, exactly wht’s in it for Celtic to meet with this guy? This has all the hallmarks of a banana skin. We should stay well clear of this




  15. Paul67



    Why would Celtic even want to meet him today when they will all be gathered on Wendesday at Hampden?



    More smoke & mirrors from Poundland…

  16. I am just wondering about Ticketus. If they accept a penny in the pound deal from Green how can they pursue Whyte for their money. The debt has been legally settled via a CVA.



    Mon the Fifa…

  17. James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on 28 May, 2012 at 13:33 said:



    who cares what the scum in the popular press write about us. i could care what most of the football support in public in scotland think



    as always, make up our mind whats right for us and the right thing to do, do it, and ignore what everyone else says.

  18. twists n turns on

    I said some weeks ago that when considering this “death by one thousand cuts” we were at number 997. Listening to Doncaster and a few SPL chairmen within that period, I fear we are back at about 950. Cowards, without moral or principal. Integrity? Shameful.

  19. Tam Cowan is an ignorant gas-bag .


    Through the years Ive just got sick of listening to his constant digs at all things Celtic and Irish and Neil Lennon.


    Typically bbc shortbread allow him a platform to spout his unfunny and often offensive drivel.

  20. James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on




    So if Charles Green walks out the front door of Celtic Park, says Celtic are in favour of the NewCo route, and wish Rangers speedily back to full health, you will ignore that will you? That’ll be good for you?



    Cause the alternative for the club will be to breach the silence some of the people on this blog have argued is the right strategy.



    There is NOTHING positive to be gained from that meeting. Not one thing.

  21. Is Mise Neil Lennon on

    BontyBhoy on 28 May, 2012 at 13:24 said:




    Are you still here?

  22. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Just noticed Aldo de Negris scored 2 for Mexico v Wales, think we were quite close to signing this guy about 18 months back,not sure what club hes with now.

  23. “For the merchant, even honesty is a financial speculation.”


    Charles Baudelaire.

  24. couldn’t’ wait around much longer, season ticket duly renewed; got a good seat I’ve had for years you see.



    Main reason though is I won’t harm my club; they’ve done nothing wrong!



    Will I go to another away game? Nope! I’ll keep my money in the club.



    James Forrest… You really need to calm down a wee bit; what should come to pass WILL come to pass. Give the veins in your neck a wee breather eh! Anyway, you’re no use to us ill!






    Read on the blog recently about a poster looking for someone to carry out a Fire Risk Assessment for their busines???



    if so I am qualified to carry out the above, and more, for business’ from 6 staff to 600+



    only saying like





    As someone who is on record as having as little regard for PL as,say,CANAMALAR and MARGARET McGILL,it ill-behoves me to defend him.



    But where has it ever been said that he has agreed to a meeting,apart from the suggestion by Green?



    PL has never agreed to meet any other prospective buyer,so why him?



    It’s only ever likely to happen so that PL can pash all over him,and,frankly,he has too much class and savvy for that.



    Stop believing what a proven liar gets printed in a muppet puppet and compliant press-did I mention desperate as well?



    Stop comparing the professional outfit who run our club nowadays with the board of our youth.



    Stop believing every positive spin you read about Rangers,Green,Miller,Whyte,etc.



    Yer blood pressure will be all the better for it,trust me…….

  26. The Battered Bunnet on

    It’s natural that Green, being the diligent sort, would speak to many people in positions of influence in the game to seek input and advice on his developing plans.



    I should imagine, if PL has given him the time of day, that the conversation would go along the lines as follows:



    PL: Welcome to Paradise Mr Green. How can I help you?



    CG: Thank you Mr Lawwell, I was hoping to be able to pick your brains on this whole Scottish football thingumajig.



    PL: Sure, shoot.



    CG: Well, we’ve got a lot of money to invest in Scottish Football, but it’s unlikely that we’ll be able to satisfy the Creditors via a CVA, so it’s looking like a Newco route for us. What’s your advice?



    PL: Big move Mr Green. Very interesting. I thought this might be on your mind so I asked Ellie to look out the latest Scottish Football League Members Handbook, and the SFA Licencing Manual. Here you go. Loads of good stuff in there for you. Let me know if there are any big words you don’t understand.



    And have a good day Mr Green.

  27. stephenpollock on

    Celtic are a creditor and Rangers owe a tidy sum. To that aim it is proper for our CEO to meet the debitor.

  28. BontyBhoy



    Why don’t you put the fun back into your football by volunterring to stitch all of Celtic’s new strips. It will also get you away from your tedious financial job…

  29. James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on 28 May, 2012 at 13:41 said:



    you make a statement saying that what he’s saying full of nonsense and should be ignored, and leave it at that.



    much better to know what this jokers plans are, continue the chirade that we don’t want them wiped off the face of the earth and would be keen to have good relations with the new owners

  30. Kilbowie Kelt on 28 May, 2012 at 13:31 said:



    Very noble of you.


    Are you the same Kilbowie kelt who posts on Betfair?

  31. James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on




    I keep on hearing all this talk about the “strategy” of Celtic. Silence seems to be the strategy. Now it’s being suggested Green has a meeting with the club.



    If it’s confirmed Green has met Lawwell, what then?



    I believe the evidence of my own eyes and ears. And so far, although the chairmen of nine of the other ten clubs have had their say, ours is silent. All the while the club is asking fans to pay up for season tickets.



    I have the money for one, sitting in the bank right now. I have time flexibility, for the first time in years, to make purchasing one worthwhile. For the first time in a long, long time I can actually go out and get myself a season ticket, knowing that I will be able to attend every single match, come what may. This is not like recent years, where I either had no money or a schedule which prevented me. I can do it, I can afford it … and I have not done it yet.



    I would buy one tomorrow if I knew that Rangers were not going to be in the league.



    If they are, I will keep my money. I will not watch a corruption masquerading as football. I will not endorse it or pretend it is okay.

  32. from Evening Times



    Old Firm summit ahead of SPL vote


    Michael Grant


    Chief football writer.



    CHARLES GREEN and Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell plan to meet in the next 48 hours in talks that could shape the future direction of Rangers.

















    That has led to cynical suggestions that the man heading a consortium to buy Rangers wishes to ensure ongoing agreement when it comes to voting in Wednesday’s meeting of all 12 SPL clubs at Hampden.



    The agenda for that includes Financial Fair Play issues, including possible increased penalties for clubs going into administration or attempting to enter the SPL as a restructured, newco club.



    The meeting will also discuss proposed changes to the current 11-1 majority requirement on votes relating to any financial issues. If Green and Lawwell agree to continue the established status quo, they will do, mindful that Old Firm fixtures and Rangers’ presence in the top division brings huge commercial advantages. That would be a point Green inevitably would wish to stress to Lawwell.



    Nevertheless, if Green gets his way the matter will be redundant, as there will be no newco Rangers.



    The terms of an £8.5million Company Voluntary Agreement Arrangement (CVA) his consortium intends to propose to the club’s creditors should be published today.



    That would then be voted upon at a creditors’ meeting in 16 days’ time – ie Wednesday, June 13 – before a 28-day so-called cooling off period in which creditors can change their mind.



    If it was approved at the end of that, Rangers would emerge from administration around Wednesday, July 11.



    “Getting the CVA proposal is going to be a major milestone and it’s going to be likely that will happen today,” said Paul Clark, joint-administrator from Duff & Phelps.



    HMRC and Ticketus each have the power to block the CVA if they are unhappy with the pence-in-the-pound return it would deliver on the money they are owed. “Until such time as we get to the 13th we can’t be certain, but we haven’t put all the work in for nothing.



    “There is no deal until there is a deal and that can’t happen until there is a meeting of creditors. We wouldn’t be taking this course of action if we thought it was complete folly.” e Old Firm can veto any change.



    Celtic have been conspicuously non-committal about what





    Looks like you have some competition.



    That didnae cross my mind,tbh.



    Still,might be no bad thing. I genuinely had never heard of FRA as a legal requirement,and I used to write ISO9002 and H&S manuals.



    To be honest,I cribbed from other companies,but it worked…….

  34. James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on




    Charles Green is NOT the debtor. He does not own a SINGLE Rangers share. He has no more right to meet Lawwell and know our clubs position than the average man on the street. Shareholders of Celtic, season ticket holders, do not know the club’s position. Why the Hell should he?

  35. Re the debate over Cowan’s questionable comments on the Thai tims. Do any of our esteemed posters know if Celtic FC carry out a due diligence check on Nike’s manufacturing centre’s. Do the club ensure that the shirts being sold to the fans are not manufactured in ‘sweat shops’ by people paid a pittance in wages and at a manufacturing cost a fraction of what we pay to purchase the said merchandise. Do the club check on the percentage of the huge profit the that the ‘workers’ actually receive or are the PLC just interested in how much Celtic profit from the Nike deal?



    Maybe Cowan has a point regarding the merchandising and huge profits made from football kit sports but i think this made more by accident than any altruistic concern over the plight of the world’s exploited poor. His comment was an intend ‘dig’ at Celtic.




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