I watched Scotland play a more accomplished Wales last night. No one in blue played particularly well but when Charlie Mulgrew prepared to take a corner from the right in first half stoppage time we knew Wales were in danger.
The pace, low trajectory and movement Charlie gets on the ball negates the natural advantage the defending team has. The goal had little to do with the young lad who got on the end of the cross, just as Celtic’s remarkable success from corners has little to do with their ability to attack the ball.
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The Boy Jinky, didn’t see your post before I posted that, with Victor to protect him, and perhaps a MIB applying the rules we would have a player.
Jude2005
Think bazzabhoys are crackers
Cowiebhoy
Mccarthy at end of contract maybe. .. unless sevco swoop in ;)
Doc
vic broony joe and crosas would be a good mid
GORDYBHOY64
Put like that,well done,you will have earned a day of reading.
Though I think it might take a bit longer than that to read JF’s book-it used to take longer than that just to read one of his posts!
Tommysbhoy, cheers pal, been to Marmaris a couple of times, tons to do, plenty cheap places to eat and drink so wouldn’t recommend all imclusive there, as others have pointed out
James McCarthy, we missed that boat, agree though, a good player, would have done well, we just can’t compete with the wages he is now on.
McKay Steven or McGeogh? The crop coming through seem to have quality. Do we need to raid our rivals? Or allow them to be competitive, and I mean allow, our financial position does mean we could buy the best from our rivals and have them as bit part players for our team.
Would it be better to leave the likes of MS and Russell where they are and bring through our own youth?
BMCUW,
Excellent :-)))
JAMES FORREST 2314
You say we wouldn’t allow it to happen?
We make up around 15% of the population. That makes our concerns of little import to anyone who might wish to ride roughshod over them.
“I don’t fear change. I fear nothing changing more.
More sucinctly put than anything I could muster. And exactly right… :)”
Change for the sake of change,whilst ignoring the onrushing juggernaut of political and financial bankruptcy to follow is not my preferred option,ta very much.
The Boy Jinky
Just a question before I go, if McCarrthy out of contract ( 2yrs I think)- he could return to Scotland for free ? but if another club in England, a fee is due, because of age ??
Similar to Ledley ??
Just asking – do not know answer
Hail Hail
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=10jORLiU7Ak&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D10jORLiU7Ak%26feature%3Dyoutu.be
One for all us golfers …… Easy peasy……..
Doc
I think Mccarthy had to get away at that time given the sectarian chanting against the wee boy.
And I reckon utd need to cash in on both jr and gms… to survive the ” armageddon” ;)
Imho jr would do well for us domestically. .. not sure about europe.
But as you say … watt.. forrest …. dylan.. atajic … etc should get their chances
james forrest is neil lennon! we are all neil lennon!
I’ll repost my earlier post, see what you think.
If we dont replace the present government with one that has social justice/socialism at its heart it makes no difference if its a government in London or Edinburgh.
The geography of the power base isn’t important it’s the policies they implement.
Im paraphrasing but the sentiment is the same.
Jimmy Forrest @ 23:14
Thank you for taking the debate forward !
And you’re absolutely right, this is one of the best places to have it – albeit there will be a few more angry CQNers now its developping :)
I would agree with all you say if it weren’t for one thing. The circumstances.
Salmond has consolidated his position. It’s clear the MSM still have a powerful influence on the Scottish people and how they think ( I hope no one refers to the SPL rebellion as football is not followed by everyone). In a yes vote, he would be in authority, even if on a temporary basis. It would take a substantial effort to over-throw an experienced, shrewd politician who will have the backing of the main financiers, the MSM, the rozzers and sinister elements that helped put him in that position in the first place.
This isn’t the time for the yes vote, and it sadly means we could be waiting another 30 years for the opportunity again. The SNP have fecked it up, and for that, should disappear.
James Forrest,
Blooming heck 586 pages, will take me a month to get through that
James Forrest-Good luck HH A great achievemen to have your work published..
Cowiebhoy
The rules confuse me… not difficult ( I might as well say it before T4 butts in lmfao)
Fortunes Favour Mibbes…
I owe you no apology. Your reply to me yesterday implied I was a bigot:
No, I didn’t.
Equally, I abhor bigotry dressed in green as much as bigotry dressed in blue.
Which was in response to your taking issue with my reply to Ernie Lynch. It’s Ernie Lynch I accused, not you. If I was going to call you a bigot, I’d say “you’re a bigot”. Take the reply in the context of your previous post. I can’t be held responsible for your lack of context.
I don’t particularly take the accusation seriously, and I don’t expect you meant it seriously, but you did say it.
In response to Ernie Lynch? You better believe I mean it.
The serious issue is the debate we’re involved in, which despite your grandstanding over the last couple of days, you’ve been losing dramatically with every post you make, where you ignore relevant points, argue black is white continuously, claim superior knowledge where it seems you have little awareness…I could go on.
Losing dramatically? Ernie said “The SNP have never had a Catholic in the cabinet or shadow cabinet” he then spent three days denying, deflecting and flat out trying to change the subject. And I lose? Sure I do.
Maybe if you actually read my posts you’d witness Ernie signally failing to A. Back up his assertions with *any* data whatsoever and B. Failing to answer a single wuestion of mine until cornered today by the threat I’d haunt his every post till he admitted the lie he’d told.
Of course, in order to gain this insight you’d actually have to read through the posts. Which you haven’t.
EL has shrugged you off like an annoying fly over the last couple of days, yet you have the cheek to claim superiority and label him as akin FF bigot. That did make me laugh :))
No. Ernie is a bigot that has no respect for any view differing from own. From his last reply, the inference is that he has *no clue* how many Catholics are in the SNP cabinet – but the very fact that he bases his political affliations on the religion of the candidate says more than I can about his aims.
Again, you’d have to read to read through the posts to glean this.
As it happens – I’ve claimed no victory either, other than Ernie’s final admittance that his bold accusation in support of the SNP being a sectarian party is a vindication of my original reply to him, that he was wrong, or lying.
I take it you looked at the quote posted earlier by some indepedence gnat,
Shaky ground on the ole bigot scale, my friend.
Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person’s race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.
Your use of the word “gnat” is interesting in its intolerance.
Me? I don’t think my opinion (for it is only that) is any more or less valid that others, and I fully reserve the right to change my mind should someone put forward a better or more cogent argument than mine. I don’t suppose to know everything.
to which EL then posted the link to the original book, and its context, which not only solidified EL’s position, but also had a ton of references on the issue underneath and on the next page?
No he didn’t. He was quoting from Tim Pat Coogan’s Irish Diaspora book. It was me that referenced it. I also posted links *against* the bill by Liberty. Finally, I also posted racist comments made by Keir Hardie about the Irish – If Dewar Gibb’s comments condemn the SNP, why do Keir Hardie’s not condemn the Labour Party? I’m still awating an answer on that front.
Like that said poster, you select sentences from posters on this debate, place them in bold html and then offer your responses without the surrounding context. Whether or not it’s deliberate, amigo, it clearly doesn’t work. You should re-think your position, no? ;)
I don’t “select” sentences – I bold the entire body of text I’m referencing- something that frequently incurs the wrath of other CQNers. However I feel that it’s the best way to represent someones views truthfully and accurately.
Again, if you took the time to read my replies, you might have noticed that. And you might have noticed Ernie failing to respond to any of my questions. Or the questions of others.
/p
jf.
your a wordsmith so you are, and this wee passage sums it up.
my thoughts exactly, i dont fear no unionist, loyalist, anti catholic backlast in a new scotland,
in fact i think they will all bugger off to england.
———————–
You think we’d permit that? You think we’d let it happen? I believe, in fact I know, that the motivation is there on the side of our enemies … but there’s no chance in Hell they would get what they want. We would not allow it.
the Boy Jinky,
It would be a financial windfall for DU, so a fair point.
McCarthy, unfortunately true regarding the sectarianism, and WGS missed on that one, I believe he said we had better in place at the time, Crosas? A football decision.
JR would be better domestically than Hooper, in Europe? He is still learning and with good coaching he may well.
I like Hooper, but, domestically, at times, he doesn’t seem interested. If a ball is played just outside his reach….. It’s gone, shoulders shrugged, bad pass…..
Kill List on Ch4 just now (or get it on Ch4+1) later is a MUST watch film. Although it might encourage a yes vote :O
:)))
Doc
Pretty sure the hamilton chairman advised young james to escape the madness
A victory for the bigots
Would jr score more in a season than hooper… given that his contracts up soon… worth a punt and no doubt miku is off and I think stokes has a max of one year if we take the option
The Boy Jinky, agreed on all points, jeez, if all CQN debates ended like this.
McKay Steven in a Celtic top, would run riot btw.
But I would like to see our youth brought through.
I’m sure at the time of the McCarthy transfer there were posts from someone in the know that said we’d matched Wigan’s transfer fee but couldn’t get near the wages on offer.
We considered McCarthy as a work in progress so didn’t plan on him starting so only offered him wages at that level. The money he signed for Wigan would’ve meant he’d be one of the top earners at Celtic at the time.
WGS commented about how we couldn’t even compete with the bottom teams in the EPL.
2 Welsh men and a half scot were seen buying eggs in Asda. Thers a yoke there somewhere.
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
And you’re absolutely right, this is one of the best places to have it – albeit there will be a few more angry CQNers now its developping :)
Don’t worry, just blame me. I have previous. ;)
Salmond has consolidated his position. It’s clear the MSM still have a powerful influence on the Scottish people and how they think ( I hope no one refers to the SPL rebellion as football is not followed by everyone). In a yes vote, he would be in authority, even if on a temporary basis. It would take a substantial effort to over-throw an experienced, shrewd politician who will have the backing of the main financiers, the MSM, the rozzers and sinister elements that helped put him in that position in the first place.
The press are an issue with regard to directing the way people vote – but, and it’s something that Paul67 has alluded to on many occasions, the ability of the press to manufacture consent is failing. And failing badly. The Iraq war is a great example. No matter the pro-war articles, the broad base of opinion remained obstately against it. This is something we haven’t seen since before World War One, when the press manufactured consent for that war with phony pictures of dead Belgian babies.
The MSM’s influence is on the wane.
On the otherhand, if Alex Salmond convinces the people of Scotland to vote for him then democracy has spoken! The people will get their wish. It’s probably not what I want, but I think that, at the very least, an independant Scotland would get a more socialist (if equally morally bereft) party, and again, people could enjoy, for the first time in history having a vote that will count for something.
That’s my aim, more or less – I’m less concerned about getting my own way than I am about being able to participate in the direction of my own future. At the moment, the Scottish vote in Westmister terms is pointless. It’s non contributary.
This isn’t the time for the yes vote, and it sadly means we could be waiting another 30 years for the opportunity again. The SNP have fecked it up, and for that, should disappear.
I disagree, but respect your right to that opinion. I can’t see how saying “But what if Salmond gets back in” is a justification for that however? Is that worse than another 10 years of Tory government? Or even 10 years of New, New labour? It’s a fatalistic position, not a position of saying “I have faith in being able to make a case for something in a democracy”
/p
Time for bed, long drive home tomorrow.
These guys are good.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YnTxjfVZlPs
Eventually Sevcovians Plan Necrophilia….cause theyre all deid zombie mutha f@#rs ..nite h.h oh iam a merry plough bhoy…..
How did the 21′ get on today?
Fortunes Favour Mibbes
Kill List on Ch4 just now (or get it on Ch4+1) later is a MUST watch film. Although it might encourage a yes vote :O
This film has been on my “should watch” list for a while – I don’t know if I can watch it now that you, of all people, have recomended it! :D :D :D
Only joshing, of course. It’s on Netflix, so I think I’ll give it a spin. :)
/p
The huddle
Re wigan wages..
They pay Caldwell £15k a week as far as I know
Doc
Safe trip tomorrow
p8ddy @ 23:29
FFS. You don’t half drag out all the irrelevant points – with untruths I might add.
EL is not a bigot. You need only have been reading his posts over the years to know that.
An absurd and worrying accusation.
I have never seen EL refer to the SNP shadow cabinet. You introduced that yesterday. The shadow cabinet is not the same as the cabinet – unless you’re going to tell me Michael Foot was Prime Minister at the same time as Thatcher, and as such, is equally responsible for the milk snatching?
He has never said that all member of the SNP are bigots. I can’t speak for him any more on that.
Finally, can you give the time and date you posted this link before EL – I have been reading all day, and this is news to me?
PS you might note the intention to move the debate forward now? :) Over 500 days to go, we’ve a lot to get through amigo.
One a different note entirely, is anyone else enjoying the new My Bloody Valentine record?
I’m rather fond. Although it’s a close run thing between that and listening to The Fall’s “We are Sparta FC” :)
/p
As James Forrest hinted at in his last post, there appears to be a growing number of people who seem to think that an Independant Scotland would somehow become some kind of Calvanist Utopia.
I have my own misgivings about an Independant Scotland and those misgivings have grown through the previous 2 years as we have been made aware of the curruption within scottish football and the press who still colude with this.
Who will be the guardians of the truth in this Independant Scotland? The Internet bampots have been lauded for breaking the Rangers story, but what has been achieved by breaking and exposing this? Those that caused this, SFA/Murray/The Press they are all still there the same as before.
What happens if the same was to happen in politics in an Independant Scotland, a hugh scandal involving the establishment and the wealthy. Who will break ranks and report the truth? Where in Scottish public life our those that will defend the weak and stand up to the powerful?
I want to live in a free and Independant Scotland, I also want to know that that country wont be run on behalf of the weathly by politicianswho are in the pockets of the establishment.
“@theTbone67: @Pmacgiollabhain Barcelona completed 573 passes the other nightTo get anywhere near that Sevco would have to put Lee McCulloch on Mastermind”
p8ddy @ 23:41
Now we’re talking amigo. Much prefer that post to your others !
The Iraq war is the reason I won’t vote Labour for the foreseeable future. But it’s not a good comparison to the issue of oppression of the Celtic support where the majority of Scots voters either don’t care, or think it’s a long overdue move. Appeasement of such meeja manipulated voters would also see further attacks on Catholic schooling, without much concern from the majority. It’s oppression, it’s already happening under Salmond’s say so, and it can only get worse if he is allowed to continue, and I’ve already explained how he will.
And finally,
The status quo is the best opportunity for a decent party to evolve if the SNP would just GTF along with the Tories, but will the MSM allow it? Things are going to be very different very soon, so maybe 30yrs is an over-estimation on my part.
We might end up with that age-old problem of having too many conflicting socialist parties and members – would that not be the best political position to be in for an independence vote?
Night all. H H
p8ddy
:) Like I said, it’s a must-watch movie. Excellent, bizarre, and excellent. :)
Was at the youth game today, very competitive match, Kimarnock gave it there all and ran Celtic very close indeed
Was impressed with both center backs, Findlay and O’Connell, O’Connell in particular had good technique and good game intelligence, i think we have a real prospect there, other notable performances came rom Jackson Irvine and Paul George, a young slip of a lad came on as a sub, McMullan looks a very good player, lovely change o pace he had
A good win for Celtic, enjoyed the match, and hope i can cheer the lads on in the final