I spoke to Phil Mac Giolla Bhain, a man who wears his Republican heritage on his sleeve, about the hostile reaction to his comments on modernising the Celtic songbook a few months back. Phil found himself to be an easy target for conspiracy theorists who turned on him for issuing a request to an end of political chanting. I’m sure Neil Lennon will not find anything like the same reaction to his comments in the Sun today, but it remains to be seen if anyone listens.
Neil said, “It’s important that we put a general message out that these chants have no place around our club. To be honest, we are better than that as a club and we always have been, we just don’t need it.
“We are and always have been a club open to all and we do not have issues around sectarianism. We have our own values and traditions but they do not include these chants. We don’t want them at matches and they must stop.”
This is not the first time Neil has given the same message this year. After his earlier comments I actually heard, “Who is Neil Lennon to tell me what I can and can’t sing? I’ve been going to Celtic Park a lot longer than he has.”
We are in a classic social paradox. The reputational damage of political singing is not felt by those who sing, and the risk of personal consequences arising for any individual singer is probably around 1%. And let’s be honest here, for all the supportive flags, banners and “I’m Neil Lennon” proclamations, is Neil respected enough to be listened to, or has he become a modern Che Guevara-poster boy?
Whatever you think of Neil, or his rights to say what you can or cannot sing, he has the best interests of our club in mind whenever he speaks on this subject.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9MRbek0JXk&feature=related
Olgach I see He could nt even deem to get your name right
An Ex Brit if ever I saw one
Sabre67 says:
18 November, 2011 at 00:04
Excellent post
Auldheid – a very thought provoking proposal. It would certainly put us back on the front foot. However the legislation still be fought and defeated, as someone mentioned this is just the start. They will go after everything we stand for as they find it offensive – the legislation will be a disaster for Celtic and football fans in general.
I’ve not been on here much, so sorry if you’ve posted, do you have ideas on how best we oppose/defeat/postpone the ridiculous new legislation. The campaign requires backing, exposure and this could be done on the back of your proposal and may make things a bit easier, but MUST be done.
Unsure if it’s because I’ve not been on here much, but I sense a bit of apathy towards the fight against the legislation.
If this legislation gets through, Celtic fans really will suffer at the hands of Strathclyde Police with arrests being justified under this ridiculous legislation – these arrests won’ be limited to section 111….
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bjmac
mic1888 says:
Limerick ? Enough said
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-SS_SD4AhM&feature=related
Hamiltontim
I recall a post of yours from yesterday that listed the criteria for joining the GB
1. Anti-sectarian
2. Anti-racist
3. Left of Centre Political views
Explain to me how you check the political views of a 8 year old junior Capo and when the fek did you have to be left of centre to join a football choir
As I said yesterday Delusional
Keep going to the meetings sooner or later somebody will recognise Your contributions and give you the recognition that you crave
No need to reply as I am offski to bed and I don’t really care for your ramblings that seem to be designed to curry favour from your like minded Internet new found friends
Do you know what shocked me most,
was lawwell telling me that 10 hunger strikers died in a terrorist campaign and they were the terrorists, the people currently in government in NI do not deserve to be there.
hamiltontim,
sorry
Awe_Naw,
yer right, I have become short with good people, but its a simple question.
the hun have no right to parade injured soldiers around the bigotdome telling the world they support them whilst undermining their resources.
I’m only looking for people who admit that.
Or maybe no :oD
Feck the Polis Glasgow stylee.
Right about now Scots court is in full effect.
Judge H*n presiding in the case of GB versus the police department.
Prosecuting attorneys are PC PLod , McBride and any other muthafeckin DOB.
Order order order. GB take the mthafeckin stand.
Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth
and nothin but the truth so help your Irish ass?
Why don’t you tell everybody what the feck you gotta say?
Feck tha police
Comin straight from the underground
Young Tim got it bad cuz I’m Irish
And not the other side so police think
They have the authority to beat a minority
Feck that shit, cuz I ain’t tha one
For a punk muthafecka with a badge and a gun
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell
Feckin with me cuz I’m a GB teenager
With a little bit of gold and a phone
Searchin my car, lookin for the product
Thinkin every Tim is a Provo
You’d rather see me in the pen
Then me and Sean rollin in the sarri heid
Beat tha police outta shape
And when I’m finished, bring the yellow tape
To tape off the scene of the slaughter
Still can’t swallow bread and water
I don’t know if they fags or what
Search a tim down and grabbin his nuts
And on the other hand, without a gun they can’t get none
But don’t let it be a catholic and a Prod one
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top
Tim police showin out for the Prod cop
GB will swarm
On any muthafucka in a police uniform
Just cuz I’m from the CP, punk police are afraid of me
A young Tim on a warpath
And when I’m finished, it’s gonna be a party
macanbheatha says:
18 November, 2011 at 01:25
mic1888 says:
Limerick ? Enough said
Can you elaborate?
I see the British tackt of devide and conquor is still alive and well
Oglach1888,
do you agree that rangers have caused the death of some of the 389 soldiers who have given their lives in afghanistan ?
p8ddy-you are seriously good. i don’t know what to think.
As far as Neill is concerned there’s nothing wrong with things in Scotland so long as the GB stop singing songs of of freedom.Let the others v omit their bile ,that’s ok
but where Neill is concerned he might in the future need a job on Match of the Day 2 so he he has to watch what he says . Sacrilege ? Suspend your response for 9 months
maca..,
thats just nasty
Mr macanbheatha, McVeigh?
A personal favourite of mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAQfJ5AZRyk&feature=related
Few of us gave a fairly jumbled rendition of this at an Edinburgh restaurant after a boozy dinner last weekend…illegal in Scotland 2012?? Hope not
I’m an old guy now. The fight hasn’t gone from me, but the years have cautioned me to wait. There will always be a FUBAR. Because they control everything they sit back and imagine they have won. It also encapsulates SNAFU. In their dominance, their control, they think no-one else is watching. The situation is incredibly biased. It doesn’t even attempt to be even-handed. It’s N.I. circa 1960. I mean that.
mickbhoy1888,
I recall a post of yours that displayed a link to details, only someone with peculuar sense of justice, would enjoy.
How is yer granny by the way :oD
Buy yer a tim and you’ll no have any problem in agreeing with me that rangers have undermined the safety and resources of the brave young people posted overseas ???
One of my abiding memories of school in the ’70’s was singing “The wearing of the Green” in music classes. I would imagine that the person who wrote that song felt very similar to the way we feel today.
RayMac, u from Derry?
mightywhite says:
18 November, 2011 at 01:54
Rendition of what?
Oh, sorry…this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk5ULCOqbuE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
Yea for a man who has had so much shit pored upon him Why is he seemily caching it now?
Why is he allowing the establishment the excuse to equate us with THEM?
I. my father, his father we are not the flip side of them THAT’S what I want to hear from Neill . He of all people should know that
It’s time for people at Neill’s level in Scottish society >politicians, business people, media , actors other sports people ect to feckin grow a pair and tell it as it is ,and stop leaving it to the so called “little man” who is constantly denigraded for knowing nothing
Just curious if they now have our old love songs too…no-one has really told us which is of concern.
mic1888 says:
18 November, 2011 at 01:51
Mr macanbheatha, McVeigh?
A personal favourite of mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAQfJ5AZRyk&feature=related
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Sean South ? you’re scaring me now a chara
Canamalar
Fair play to you big fella. I happen to agree with many of your posts just that recently you’ve allowed yourself to get a little carried away.
Hail Hail mate.
Mightywhite—just back on–I’m a Falls Road man, and a proud one. I was asked last week to Billy McKee’s 90th birhday. One of my proudest moments.
mic1888 says:
18 November, 2011 at 01:35
macanbheatha says:
18 November, 2011 at 01:25
mic1888 says:
Limerick ? Enough said
Can you elaborate?
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I love the song The West Awake, it was my late father’s favourite
I only wish it would have ever happened
mightywhite says:
18 November, 2011 at 02:03
My wife gets that one on a saturday when I get home from CP pissed, her name is Grace.
And as the dawn is breaking my heart is breaking too!!
ßjmac ® °¿° says:
18 November, 2011 at 01:24
The suggestion I made is primarily to put us on the front foot.
However if done in the way suggested it might give the SNP a way out by claiming the threat of criminalising has forced the target audience to think about and so change their behaviour (and I mean both sides ) of their own volition.
Salmond could sell that to the world as evidence of a mature country addressing its issues.
If he carries on as is the world will shake its head and walk on by. Salmond appears to put a lot of stock on the world opinion of Scotland and he is going to have a job convincing a watching world that the OB bill is s sign of a mature society or even a smart one.
I also think the legislation is so full of holes and will split the country that it will fall of itself.
Mickybhoy1888
Not sure what I did to deserve that rant…oh well.
Firstly, you give the impression that you replied to my post from yesterday re GB criteria. Eh naw ye didnae, this is the only time you’ve addressed it.
Secondly, my understanding is that the Junior Capo, featured in the you tube clips is not an actual member. Jeezo even my 8 year old daughter knew that one.
Finally, you’ve made reference to me meeting or knowing some of the posters on CQN. By my reckoning I’ve been to 3 ‘gatherings’, had a few swallies with BT in his local and I stood with bjmac for the second half of the most recent Kilmarnock game at Rugby Park. Please don’t tell the missus she’ll think im having an affair!!!
Just so you know, I went last Saturday because I wanted to pass on my condolences to someone who had shown great thoughtfulness in a recent post addressed to me. It’s called respect.
You should try it some time.
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
18 November, 2011 at 01:10
If you have not done so read “Great Hatred Little Room” by J Powell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ozPa1Rvvc
For you macanbheatha
mic1888 says:
18 November, 2011 at 02:32
go raibh maith agat for that a chara
oíche mhaith
maca….,
the PLC made anoher major mistake IMO, and lost anothr modicum of the little respect I have for them.
kojo told me tonight the board are the correct people to deal with the politics, yet they put Neil Lennon in the spotlight again ffs.
scotland has alredy told Neil Lennon what they think
Why would the board expose Neil Lennon to the media in scotland.
Neil Lennon’s job is making the football team play better
What has the current board political strategy to do with him ??
Why are the board exposing him to the scottish media????
Why are the board exposing him to the scottish media????
scotland has made its mind up, and its sad
Canamalar
I’ve only just been catching up but I think someone posted earlier that NL will be conducting the pre match press conference tomorrow and he will also be answering questions concerning the allegations of illicit chants.
I’ve got to admit that seems bizarre, especially considering that the other members of the management team have been the ones conducting press duty of late.
macanbheatha says:
18 November, 2011 at 02:36
You’re welcome and good night to you my friend.
Would this get past the offended police?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T-nI9KTSD0