I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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My team talk for tomorrow would be:
1) Tavernier is their best player – mark him.
2) Expect the most outrageous refereeing decisions you have ever experienced.
3) Just play to your abilities and you’ll thrash them.
Does this dress make me look fat?
Lookin for a pub in Westport or Castlebar or Sligo at a push for tomorrow’s game. Much appreciated . HH
Any tims in Lisbon
Game on in henneseys irish bar, few min walk from city main train station cais do sodre.
Griffiths will be gutted if he misses tomorrow. Hope Roberts starts instead of forrest but no big deal if he doesn’t. What a player to introduce for final 30mins.
Up the Celtic
Celtic stuff that makes my heart sing and soul dance.
http://youtu.be/EKZRpi82Nis
GENUINEHAPPINESScsc
Mickybhoy1988
Looks as though I will be swooping into Santa Ponca tomorrow – are you around?
Cheers
Repost from earlier today
looking for 3 tickets for the borussia game on 19th Oct looking for tickets prior to booking flights.whits my chances?
Closer together prince buster
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wO0sPVWF-ns
Goood morning ( still morning here :-)) CQN
Surprised no comments on this as posted by Timabhoy earlier
https://johnjamessite.com/2016/09/09/the-duplicity-derby/
No idea as to truth, but police Scotland involvement ????
Hail Hail
Just pondering here.
Now and again on here posters come on and say “ONE more sleep to the game etc “.
Can the Zombies say that I wonder?.
Another thing the vast majority of zombie follow followers cant say is im going to watch the team my dad brought me up to support .
A wee shame so it isnae .
I too am worried about the complacency on here and amongst my contacts.talk of 4 and 5 goal drubbing is cheap and easy.
The two things that do not sit comfortably on our clubs shoulders are arrogance and supposition. We need to rid ourselves of such notions and get the job done.
Can I now say good afternoon :-))) CQN
ARD RI
There’s a CSC up on Achill Island (at Keel I think). Bit of drive…but a very nice drive…
By the way, that JJ post is almost too good to be true, if 30% of it is fact I will be delighted.
The whole “old firm” guff going on (clearly planned and co-ordinated) is attempting to do two things:
1. Pass off new “Rangers” as same Rangers.
2. Allow new “Rangers” to piggy-back onto Celtic to achieve things they couldn’t do on their own.
Pathetic, yes. But it only highlights what a bad shape they are in.
Bada/MiT
We could always welcome the new club to the SPFL in tomorrow’s program
Hail Hail
GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL
They need the Old Firm because they need to associate themselves with a valuable brand. Their own brand is absolute garbage, so they try to hang on to coat tails.
We should stop wearing coats with tails…
The importance of beating the zombies should not be taken lightly.
We can deliver a huge psychological blow to their overinflated sense of self.
There will be a concerted effort by the refs and authorities to help them this season.
Put them in their deserved place Celtic.
Consign the cheats to the status they deserve.
COYBIG
The SPFL computer managed to “randomly generate” a set of fixtures which put this game early enough in the season that Sevco could get off to a good start while Aberdeen and Hearts dropped points. And got it after the international break for a full week’s build-up.
Unfortunately it couldn’t influence the EPL’s computer. Oh dear…..
ARD RI
Apparently the Castle Inn in Castlebar is home to the Mayo CSC :
http://www.celticbars.com/barsm.html
Hi Paul67,
Interesting article…
If the boot was on the other foot eh!
Well, no one is going to convince me the framework around the 5-way-agreement wasn’t worked out years before 2012…
Even if it first was concieved as a contingency.
So as we were once in potential insolvency situation and no such contivance was in place, it’s a dead cert that we would not have been given such a rescue (sic) plan.
As for the rule bending, non-compliance and failure to implement penalties… absolutely no chance… they throw the book at us every chance they get.
There has been a recent example of how the SFA operates with regards Ibrox Clubs.
Chris Sutton as a pundit for BT Sports criticised a Referee for not awarding a penalty against Newco Rangers.
Subsequently the Referee was told he could withdraw co-operation with the Broadcaster for a subsequent match.
The SFA demanded talks with BT Sports to ensure such criticism didn’t happen again.
Does anyone think, for one moment, if it was an ex-Rangers player as a pundit who similarly critised a Referee for not awarding a penalty against Celtic that there would be similar consequences?
Not a chance…
Just win tomorrow Celtic… whose ever interested in the Circus let them enjoy the fanfare and hoo-haa.
Me… I’ll watch the match, hoping for a good, solid Celtic performance and looking for the bhoys to take their chances to tot up the aul goal difference.
That’s all…
Hail Hail
COWIEBHOY
I read that JJames article.
Shocking but won’t be surprised if true.
Though expect if proven that it will be ignored in the best wee bigoted country in the world.
Davidopoulos
Yeah – spot on.
Maybe we need to find a new tailor :-)
“I too am worried about the complacency on here and amongst my contacts.talk of 4 and 5 goal drubbing is cheap and easy.”
Jmcormick,
I wouldn’t worry about complacency on here neebs.
It’ll have zero bearing on the game.
HH
DAVIDOPOULOS on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 5:01 PM
ARD RI
There’s a CSC up on Achill Island (at Keel I think). Bit of drive…but a very nice drive…
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Is that not Islam CSC up there? }{
GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL
Surely we have a sharp-suited man that knows a good tailor ;)
A nice welcome for our noisy neighbours would be “Welcome to the big bhoys League, now lose the diapers!”
AURORABOREALIS79
Allahu Achillbhoys ;)
Just watching The Asterisk Years for the first time. Like Downfall and numerous times on here, not least BRTH’s excellent essay last week, it’s pretty simple when it’s spelled out in black & white….
No flab, just facts. Delighted wi’ it….
*tomes
Good afternoon Cowiebhoy – Looking forward to meeting you this evening. I’m meeting MIT in McVeigh’s pub downtown Toronto about 6pm and he’s driving us both to our dinner venue. McVeigh’s is braw, I love the photo of Michael Collins behind the bar:)
To all the lads in the BV the noo……SLAINTE!!!!!!!
tony
Geordie Munro said:
” I wouldn’t worry about complacency on here neebs.
It’ll have zero bearing on the game.”
Hello there , Geordie. Have you not heard of morphic resonance?
JJ
COWIEBHOY on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 4:59 PM
If there is anything behind the JJ information, then we are entering the realms of Appalling Vista.
This means that nothing will be done about it and we won’t hear another word of it.
DAVIDOPOULOS on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 5:26 PM
AURORABOREALIS79
Allahu Achillbhoys ;)
I thunk Achill Akbar has a better ring to it
The thing about John James is, he clearly isn’t worried about anyone taking him to court, in fact, I think he would welcome it. Every article he writes screams, “go on do it!!”
JJ,
Hiya neebs. No, I haven’t heard of it. I’ll Google it later.
Was he the wee plasticine dude that Tony Hart palled about with? :)
HH
Talks of a drubbing tomorrow are based on hope rather than expectancy. The New Rangers are an average side in this League. Average sides can beat better sides, draw with better sides , lose narrowly to better sides and , occasionally, be thrashed by better sides. Let us wait 0:-)