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New club/same club. What if the boot was on the other foot?

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I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?

If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.

Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.

It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed.  In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.

The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013.  Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.

‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.

You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.

Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.

For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.

All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.

You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.

Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.

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  1. Sandman on

    Gordon

     

     

    Kolo

     

     

    Broon

     

     

    Forrest, Sinclair, Roberts, Aitchison, Dembele, Griffiths (one leg), Rogic, Big Erik

     

     

    1-1-9

     

     

     

    10-0 to us.

     

     

    Pump those Hun Monkeys.

  2. onenightinlisbon on

    Just watched STV “News”. Big Rahman looking resplendent in his neutral pink tie. Wonder what team he’s supporting tomorrow……

  4. 67 European Cup Winners on

    I must admit to being a little confused about how I feel

     

    Historically it was a mixture of excitement and fear before we played them

     

    As for tomorrow – I don’t feel fear – yes a little excited

     

    But I have struggled to understand how I really feel about tomorrow

     

    Before my first pint of the weekend – I’ve decided I want them humiliated

     

    They cheated the system for 10 years possibly longer, they brought tears to my eye on many occasion when they beat us (we know know they had to cheat to beat us)

     

    So I don’t want 1 nil to Celtic I want 8 nil batter them humble them humiliate them make them cry

     

    Take revenge for their arrogant cheating horrible history

     

    Hammer them and don’t stop hammering them until 90 mins are over

     

    Humiliate them make them pay for everything they did against us

     

     

    OK rant over off for a pint

     

     

     

    67ECW

  5. 50 shades of green on

    Awrite guys am in the Ghills with free pool and a free Jukebox (Guinness £2.95).

     

     

    Anyway im looking for songs (with artist please) to wind up the undead, I have already played BeatBhoys earworm from earlier “There’s A ghost in my house ” . It was 2 subtle for the reincarnated something that hammers the nail In would be appreciated.

     

     

    H.H

  12. MoonbeamsWD 'Stand up on 15 for the GB' on

    Matt (Estadio)

     

     

    You are missed on here friend. I’ve been trying to put together some words that would do both your post and then your article justice buddy. I am lost for words. Except to say.

     

     

    Thanks. I really enjoyed that read. Brilliantly written with usual expected comedy.

     

     

    MWD

  13. 50 shades of green on

    AURORABOREALIS79 on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 6:52 PM

     

    Kernkraft – Zombie Nation ( I hear thats banned in the Ludge)

  14. The Battered Bunnet on

    Estadio

     

     

    Whatever you do, wherever you do it, keep writing. It’s poitin to the soul.

     

     

    Slainte mhath

  18. Ron Bacardi on

    We need to thoroughly humiliate the new huns by at least 3 goals. Anything less will be presented as bad luck for them.

  19. 50 shades of green on

    AURORABOREALIS79 on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 6:52 PM

     

    Kernkraft – Zombie Nation ( I hear thats banned in the Ludge)

     

     

    Oops sorry.

     

     

     

     

    Banned in here as well,or I canny find.

     

     

     

    Keep them coming.

  20. Tambourine Bhoy of 1967 on

    Good evening folks.

     

     

    Any update on Griff?

     

     

    I placed a few ‘wild’ bets the other night…. 5-1, 6-0, 7-1 kinda thing. Now though, I’m thinking (while sitting here) that we may take it easy and be content with a narrow win, no injuries, little energy drained and of course, no riot. A draw would actually be a great result for the suits!

     

     

    Ideally, we’d go at them hard. Bang 2 or 3 goals in and then take our big players off to rest (avoid injury) berore the big game on tuesday.

     

     

    My gut says 4-0.

     

     

    -Tambo. I

  22. SuperSutton on

    No complacency from me, but I have considered the options and can only conclude the following…

     

     

    The Rangers have a problem with lack of pace in the middle of defence; namely Hill and Senderos (assume he plays).

     

     

    Therefore, if Rangers push up they expose themselves to the speed of Sinclair, Forrest, Roberts, Griff (if he plays).

     

     

    They can’t take that risk, they will suffer big style. The more / earlier we score the more it would exacerbate the situation.

     

     

    So, they have to sit back and try and hit us on the break. This is not their natural game and although Toure and Erik are not roadrunners, they are no slouch. Certainly less of a slouch than say, Waghorn. Forrester may have pace, but Tiereny / Gamboa would be able to deal with that. Lustig not so.

     

     

    So they sit back. It gives us possession, allows Sinclair and Roberts / Forrest to take men on with impunity. Attacking downs the flanks will cause holes in the middle, which Rogic, Brown and Bitton (or Christie) could exploit for themselves or to play in Griff / Dembele, even Sinclair who tends to become no. 9 at times.

     

     

    Again, if we score early and more than once, that means they have to come out, thus exposing them to the earlier problem.

     

     

    So, the only fly in the ointment? We don’t take our chances, it remains 0-0 for too long. They sneak a goal (dubious pen, free kick, offside, foul or heaven forbid a corner).

     

     

    That gives them something to rally to. And further inexplicable misses, goals ruled out, free kick imagined, could see us unable to win – it’s happened before; too many times before.

     

     

    In summary, it looks an 80% chance of a win of more than two goals, 10% chance of a one goal win, 5% chance of a draw and nae chance of a loss (I’m keeping the other 5%)

  25. TheClumpany on

    Paul.

     

     

    All well and good but this is about way more than the fact of liquidation and how it is perceived by Sevco fans and fans of other clubs. I couldn’t care less about trying to persuade Sevco fans that their’s is a new club. As you rightly say you can’t change their mind.

     

    However Sevco lay claim to all of Rangers’ trophies and the DOMESTIC authorities list those trophies as belonging to Sevco. That stinks. It can’t possibly be true according to insolvency law and UEFA Article 12 (and the SFA is supposed to follow UEFA rules in its own rulebook). What’s more it completely removes any concept of ‘moral hazzard’ from Scottish football because it means you can spend other people’s money, liquidate and keep all of the trophies by returning as the same club. What is Celtic’s position on that?

  26. notthebus on

    So me and my mates at the fives set up a company called Third Lanark. We are off for a kickabout down cathinkin park.

     

     

    Using Sevco logic, we are now former winners of the Scottish cup (twice) and the League cup.

     

     

    I think we should get free tickets as former winners

  27. Tambourine Bhoy of 1967 on

    Why do I often end up with a letter ‘l’ or capital ‘i’ at the end of my type cursor? I can’t shift beyond it to delete it either. Bizzare.

  29. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Tambourine Bhoys…m

     

    The SFA and polis will not allow those scores, they will try and fix the match by telling Celtic to keep the score down if we’re more than 2 ahead at half time.

  30. bhoys3 on

    If De Vries is as good as Brendan says wi the ball at his feet why not have him on the bench and bring him on for Jamesie or Moussa and let him score the 6th

  32. The Battered Bunnet on

    Corry

     

     

    Mosey on down to San Sebastian, there are a hundred and one great bars in the old quarter, doubtless many of which showing the Barca game. Make a day of it. It’s a heck of a town.

  33. vfr800a8 on

    50 Shades – obviously Depeche Mode “I just Just Can’t Get Enough”

     

     

    FAC the Act

     

     

    KTF

  36. Tambourine Bhoy of 1967 on

    CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 7:01 PM

     

     

    That’s what’s had me thinking differently.

  37. GuyFawkesaforeverhero on

    50 shades of green on 9th September 2016 6:45 pm

     

     

    You should pay tribute to today’s Sevco mind-bender, as described this evening by James Forrest on the celtic blog.

     

     

    Ashton, Gardener & Dyke – Resurrection Shuffle (you may have to play Tom Jones’ cover. Hope you enjoy some pool before they eject you.)

  38. mike in toronto on

    Cowiebhoy @5:02 … if you are right, and the Celtic program at tomorrow’s game says ‘ welcome the zombies for the first time’, then I will pay for all of your drinks tonight! :)

  40. Neustadt-Braw on

    Tatties and mince. …braw

     

     

    Mince and kartoffelkloesse halb und halb Awfy braw

     

     

    Unbelievable, I mean absolutely divine…

     

     

    Put them to the sword…..first 15 mins….hammer them …watch the Darkness leave Celtic Park early..

     

     

    Come on you tattie dumplings in mince !!!

     

     

    Braw.

  42. winning captains on

    CORRY

     

     

    Try the Newquay bar across from the Galeries Lafayette or Les Colonnes which is along from the BNP Paribas bank on the corner. There’s a pub across from the Newquay bar just along from the Galeries which might show it. For the best tapas in Biarritz head up to Bar Jean right across from les halles!!

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