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corkcelt
14:54 on
2 November, 2012
Hi all, can someone help me to settle an argument re the location of the Hun pub called The Louden Tavern. I usually walk out the Gallowgate road regardless of weather every time I go to Glasgow as I just love the atmosphere. One Old Firm game a few years back I had a bad ankle which was getting progressively sorer as I walked, a bus came along and I jumped on. After a bit the bus turned off left and did a detour as it headed towards Parkhead, I could swear we passed The Louden Tavern, my mate says no that its out near Ibrox. Am I right or wrong.?
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there are 2 of them.
one on Duke Street that your bus passed, and one out on Paisley road west somewheres.
little know fact is that the Hit tv show “True Blood” uses both as on set locations as it saves on the make up bill and the scenes of the undead and zombie extras.
thumbs up (oops one fell off)
Cork
I’m sure poison is on duke st
goldstar10
14:55 on 2 November, 2012
“Corkcelt- there’s 2 Louden Taverns, one for each club”.
there are 2 of them! I never knew that. If it’s one for each club, will one of them have to close down now?
Thanks lads for the info
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
14:49 on
2 November, 2012
greenjedi,
aye, stock board response, the team were made wear the poppy, individuals were not given the choice, like the board you demand conformity to everything you decree is reasonable even if it is obviously unreasonable.
Just to remind you that the black and tans have never before been commemorated by the british public, the poppy unbrella was expanded to include illegal and unjust wars were genocide was practised by the british army, you can keep your mouth shut, I just glad no everyone is as supportive of war as you.
Enjoy your remembrance celebration of the start of wars.
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So you don’t think that the thousands of Celtic players, staff and fans deserve to be remembered.
And where did I ever say that I was suportive of war? I support the poor guys who were sent to do the dirty work.
To paraphrase Bart Simpson – There are no good wars, with the following exceptions: The Irish War of Independence, World War II, and the Star Wars Trilogy
And btw I’ve never bought a poppy in my life, but I’ll gladly give a minute of my time to remember those died protecting freedom
Jim Melrose – an out and out Hun. It’s not news that he didn’t want to play for Celtic for anyone who remembers watching him. The guy was a total imposter.
At least Gordon Durie and Neale Simpson were honest enough to say they didn’t want to play for Celtic. Melrose was just a disgrace to the shirt – not one of Davie Hay’s better decisions.
corkcelt
14:54 on 2 November, 2012
The Louden’s almost within spitting distance of CP, if the wind’s in the right direction, so you’re right.
I think there’s another one on PRW (a Sevco Louden) so your mate’s right as well.
But not as right as you.
Poison
For once my iPod was coorect
The one near the death star is the “Most Famous Pub in Scotland” and the one on Duke Street is the “Greatest Pub in the World”. Self proclaimed triumphalist nonsense!! What is wrong with these people?
mea culpa
14:15 on
2 November, 2012
Are there any ‘older’ fans out there who can recall the reaction of those across the city in ’67 ?
I was too young, being only 3 at the time.
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Wasn’t much older myself, he lied. Well I was 4 times your age. What I can remember is that there was a floral commemoration of it planted in George Square. Guess what? It had to be removed after days, I think, due to some peepul accidentally dropping weed killer all over it.
corkcelt,
The Louden Tavern is in Duke Street, not far, relatively speaking from Parkhead and Celtic Park.
However I’m sure a “Louden 2” bar opened over ipox way a couple of years ago, I don’t know if it is still there.
So although your mate is wrong, perhaps this is maybe where he has got that idea from.
St Stivs
Hilarious!!!!!
Oldco Louden on Duke Street.
Newco Louden forms part of a the Cessnock triangle of quaint wine bars and bistros.
blantyretim
15:00 on 2 November, 2012
“Poison
For once my iPod was coorect”
not totally coorect
Seem to remember Jim Melrose boaking all over the centre circle just at the kick off of a game at Celtic Park?
Seems his pre match pie disagreed with his greyhound like metabolism !
B/T- did Whitaker not score with the overhead kick, before bowing to his devoted Ultras in the ole Jungle?
greenjedi
14:59 on 2 November, 2012
The generations who fought in both world wars managed quite well without Celtic players having to wear poppies on their shirts.
The notion of having poppy displays at football grounds started a few months before we invaded Iraq.
That’s just a coincidence, obviously.
Up until then anyone wanting to pay their respects went to memorial ceremonies. They aren’t hard to find. Every Remembrance Sunday at just about every war memorial in the country. Ever been to one?
Corkcelt, you are both correct:
The Louden Tavern Duke Street, Dennistoun, Glasgow
The Louden Tavern 2 Brand Street, Kinning Park, Glasgow
I did not know this either until 5 minutes ago. I would have gone with your Loupin Louden.
The Board of The Rangers Football Club has issued the following statement today:
It reads: “The Board wishes to express its dismay over articles in The Times newspaper today which implies the Club is “in fresh trouble” with HM Revenue and Customs in relation to an investor in the Club.
“This is categorically not the case and the Chairman of the Club has written to The Times on this matter.
“The Rangers Football Club has no outstanding issues with HMRC and indeed the current management have an open and transparent dialogue with HMRC and, in particular, through our auditors and reporting accountants, Deloitte.
“The historic tax issues affecting Rangers (RFC 2012 Ltd which is now in liquidation) are well documented.
“These issues, notably surrounding the EBT scheme, will continue to receive much media coverage, but have no bearing upon the ongoing operation of the football club and its intention to list as a public company.
“We wish to reiterate that Mr Richard Hughes has no involvement in the management of the club, nor is he a director.
“Richard Hughes or his company Zeus Capital, both FSA regulated, are a minority investor.
“The Club does not have an existing relationship with Zeus Partners, which is also named in The Times as being part of an HMRC inquiry.
“It would be inappropriate for The Rangers Football Club to comment further on either the private and professional affairs of Mr Hughes, or the commercial activities of Zeus Partners or Zeus Capital.”
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See the Bold Roger Whiitaker ex Celt who moved on to Jam Tarts.
He died in a car accident but if I am not mistaken he was the father of OldCo player who deserted ship and went to Norwich(Also our captains best mate).
Re the Poppy debate, I don’t think anyone would have a problem with a Country honouring its war dead, but bringing it in on a compulsory level into sporting arenas is in my opinion wrong. I would not wear a poppy but I would have no problem whatever with anybody who does but I certainly object to a Club being forced to wear it on their jerseys.
“The Rangers Football Club has no outstanding issues with HMRC and indeed the current management have an open and transparent dialogue with HMRC and, in particular, through our auditors and reporting accountants, Deloitte.
If the current management have no outstanding issues with Hector, why would they be talking to him ?????????
tally bhoy
Not sure I agree with you that, even if what is recounted is accurate, JM is a disgrace to the hoops …. a disgrace to himself, his family and any decent person… but, people like him cant drag the hoops down….
the hoops can help the wretched like him rise to a better place/become better people… that is what makes this club special….
unfortunately, for JM and his ilk, they are blind and will never see because they dont want to … but, as I say, that reflects badly on noone but themselves, and certainly not celtic.
HH
“The Rangers Football Club has no outstanding issues with HMRC and indeed the current management have an open and transparent dialogue with HMRC”
That’s a bit like the Kenn Dodd line
‘They still right to me you know.’
Though not as funny as his
‘Self Assessment. I invented that.’
Looking forward to some real gamechanger arguments in the ole poppy debate this year ;-]
*Starts making banner. Can’t find dictionary*
The poppy was until a few years ago an entirely personal tribute to the dead of two World Wars, you bought one or you didn’t, you remembered them or you didn’t, personal choice, what has happened now is nothing more than government jingoism forcing people to choose similar to what has happened in the US : you either fur us or agin us mentality which suited the agendas of both governments.
Of course Scotland being Scotland it has become a stick to beat Celtic over the head with, I know Tims who do and Tims who don’t wear poppies, my Father and Grandfather wore poppies to mass I seem to remember and as Ernie says how many shouting in the poppy debate will actually pay their respects at a memorial day service??
If someone is upset because I do or don’t wear a poppy then that’s their fecking problem!!
Forcing it on sportsmen and women takes away their freedom of choice and that is not on..
Damo Lennon 14:18 on 2 November, 2012
Legless is just an embittered unemployment statistic.
If you google Jim Melrose, on page 1 there’s a photo of him looking like BFDJ. There was talk of him being in a consortium that was bidding for Stockport……BFJM thought he was biddinf for a Stock pot.
If he hated Celtic as much as he seems to have done, he must have loved money an awful lot indeed.
“Richard Hughes or his company Zeus Capital, both FSA regulated, are a minority investor.
So which one is it, RH or Zeus ???
How about a blue poppy this year to remember clubs who have died?
Tallybhoy
Re Brian Whittaker
“Arguably the worst full back to pull on the famous hoops!”
He had some terrific competition for that accolade in the 80s.
Moyes, Sinclair, McStay (W) and Reid were so collectively hopeless that Billy even tried Paul McGugan and Lex Baillie at left back at various times. You could have played them all at once and still know that Ralph Milne would simply enjoy it his afternoon all the more.
I’m afraid I still carry the psychological scars caused by the deep anxiety of not knowing which full backs I’d be watching through the cracks in my fingers of a saturday.
Mea Culpa
I was 12 at the time. Its true to say that with there being no blogs ect it probably lessened the pain for them. I’ve still got some of the papers and to be fair to them their coverage of the Lisbon triumph was excellent ( cant imagine it being the same today).
However I can mention two stories regarding that famous win. My mate who was a bluenose said to me half an hour after the game that he was genuinely delighted we won because of the way we played. I know he meant it.
A couple of weeks later my old man was going into work night shift when he saw two policeman trashing a floral Celtic tribute in George Square.
I suppose the ultimate answer to the hun reaction to Lisbon is staring us in the face. That reaction was to cheat and corrupt their way to emulating Jock Stein’s feat. The fact they failed is one thing but to die in the process is another.
hh
Swalex signed Ralph Milne on the strength of his performances in Scotland. Maybe he only saw him playing against Celtic full backs.
I noticed a banner amongst the Man U fans on Wednesday night “Ralph Milne Ultras”…though not as good as “Chelseas standing up against racism….since Sunday”
Ernie
I agree that they just startyed before they invaded Iraq, however if I am anywhere that they are holding a minutes silence for the war dead, I will have the decency to to keep my mouth closed for that period and also say a wee prayer for all of them. I’d like to think that every decent human being would do the same
Never been to a rememberance service in my life and I doubt I ever will
Zeus subbed; they’re bringing’ on ole Hades.
“Zeus subbed; they’re bringing’ on ole Hades.”
What? All of it? Isn’t that were Rangers have gone?
Just checked my blog stats there – 3,333 hits so far today.
Thanks to those who have shared the link on Facebook and Twitter. Seems it has also been mentioned on Celtic News Now, Celtic Minded, Scottish Football Monitor, Scots Law Thoughts and The Huddleboard.
Now how can we get the Sevco fans to read it and finally realise that their old club is dead?
Real Hero. A memorial at Celtic Park for our most celebrated supporters ?
as part of the development ………. any thoughts ?
who else would anyone propose.
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Saint Stivs
00:28 on
2 November, 2012
Proudbhoy –
last year I met a lady who was making a documentary about Govan woman workers rights and the conversation led onto other social history aspects, we met common ground on James Maley.
Ive felt strongly for a longtime, that Celtic the boardroom, should recognise the outstanding people who led fantastic commited lifes , while all the time in their hearts supporting the Celtic.
I want celtic to have our own knights, and their statues in the triangle.
James Maley, Celtic Supporter of the Calton ,should be the 1st.
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http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Supporters+-+James+Maley
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Supporters – James Maley
Legends and Supporters | World War Two | The War Years
James Maley
Spanish Civil War veteran
Published: 18 April 2007 James Maley, labourer and political activist:
born Glasgow 19 February 1908; married 1949 Anne Watt (four sons, five daughters); died Glasgow 9 April 2007.
(From “The Independent” newspaper)
James Maley was captured during the Battle of Jarama in February 1937 when the Spanish Republic rebuffed a ferocious attempt to encircle Madrid which had been launched by General Francisco Franco’s rebel army.
As a volunteer in the International Brigades, Maley expected to be executed immediately. Indeed, Franco issued a proclamation soon afterwards saying that any foreigners captured under arms would be shot. The edict was not carried out in the case of the captured Britons thanks to a stiff note sent by HM Government which, despite its distaste for the International Brigaders, reminded Franco of his obligations under the Geneva Convention. In addition, Benito Mussolini put pressure on Franco to use the prisoners to negotiate exchanges for Italian soldiers being held by the Republicans.
Maley and the other prisoners were later paraded before newsreel cameras. Franco also decided to stage a show trial. A military court in Salamanca in May 1937 found the men guilty of “aiding a military rebellion” – they had, of course, been fighting on the side of a democratically elected government and against a Fascist-backed military uprising – and Maley was sentenced to 20 years’ imprisonment.
News of the capture had not reached Maley’s mother in Scotland, who feared the worst for her son’s fate. However, footage of the captive Britons was screened in cinemas around the country as part of a British Movietone News broadcast. By chance, she was among those who watched it and was so relieved to see that, contrary to expectations, her son was alive that she asked the projectionist in a cinema in Paisley to cut out two frames of the newsreel.
She kept the pictures as a memento until his return home soon after the trial as part of a prisoner exchange involving the British prisoners and a similar number of the Italian troops sent by Mussolini to assist Franco’s rebellion.
Maley, from the Calton district of Glasgow, was one of 500 volunteers from Scotland (out of a total of 2,300 from the British Isles) who enlisted with the International Brigades to defend the Spanish Republic during the Spanish Civil War. He arrived in Spain in December 1936, five months after the start of the war, and joined the newly formed British Battalion. The Battle of Jarama saw the battalion in action for the first time. It suffered horrendous losses as it resisted Franco’s attempt to cut the main road from Madrid to Valencia. Out of the 500 who advanced towards enemy positions on 12 February 1937 near Morata de Tajuña, 125 were killed and a similar number injured. Maley was one of the 30 members of the machine-gun company who were captured.
The British volunteers, who had received only basic training beforehand, faced Franco’s crack troops: the foreign legionnaires and Moors of the Army of Africa which Nazi German transport planes had ferried from Spanish Morocco to the mainland. Maley, who had served in the British Territorial Army in the early 1930s, later recalled the confusion of the battalion’s advance while Spanish Republican units were in retreat:
After 200 yards going forward, the retreat was coming back and going down past us and we were going through. There were soldiers running past us and we were going up. And there were soldiers of the British Battalion dropping as we were going up. Without firing a shot they were getting killed.
In fact Maley nearly avoided capture after his machine-gun company found themselves stranded in no-man’s land on what was named by the surviving volunteers as “Suicide Hill”. They hid among the olive groves for two days before finally being taken prisoner by the Fascists. They were initially mistaken for Russians. “Somebody shouted, ‘Inglés?’ ” Maley recalled. “If it hadn’t been for that we would have been shot one at a time.”
The story of Maley’s capture and the strange way that the family found out that he was still alive inspired a play written by two of his sons, John and Willy, entitled From the Calton to Catalonia. It was first performed in December 1990 in the Lithgow Theatre, Glasgow.
One of a family of six, Maley left school to help his mother, Anne Sherlock, a hawker, wheel her barrow around Glasgow. In 1929, following the death of his father, he emigrated to Cleveland, Ohio, where he worked briefly in a car factory, but returned to Scotland the next year, homesick and disillusioned by American attitudes to immigrants. In 1932, aged 24, he joined the Communist Party and became a familiar public speaker at Glasgow Green and Govan denouncing the rise of Fascism in Europe and the inequalities and social injustice which the economic slump had exacerbated in Britain.
After his repatriation from Spain, Maley gave in to his mother’s pleading for him not to return to the International Brigades and face certain death if he were recaptured. He continued to speak on public platforms, campaigning for an end to the British government’s non-intervention and its refusal to sell arms to the Spanish Republic until its eventual defeat in 1939.
In 1941 he enlisted with the King’s Own Scottish Borderers, then the Highland Light Infantry, serving in Burma and India. After the Second World War, he worked in Maryhill Barracks as a telephone operator until demob in 1947. He was then employed for the next 12 years laying tracks for British Railways and afterwards as a building labourer for Glasgow Corporation. Astonishingly for a father of nine, he remained politically active as a lifelong Communist, trade unionist and tenants’ association campaigner.
Maley was an avid fan of Glasgow Celtic and two 30ft-long banners were unfurled in his honour at Hampden Park on Saturday during the cup-tie against St Johnstone. Quoting the slogan used by the defenders of Madrid during the Spanish Civil War, “They shall not pass,” the banners said: “James Maley RIP. No Pasarán”.