Let’s be clear about what is going to happen on Friday. Monetary inducements are being made to allow a newly created company to advance its football team two divisions up the league structure.
The overwhelming majority of money to pay for these financial inducements will be taken from Celtic, who vehemently oppose all these measures. The SPL will reduce the commercial distribution to the top club in the league and pay-off everyone else. 41 teams will benefit financially from this proposition, only Celtic will lose.
For good measure, the SPL have declined to take gate sharing off the table. Up to 30% of your season ticket money will soon be commandeered by Kilmarnock, Motherwell and the rest, who will take their slice and share some with the lower leagues.
All the while you can scarcely find a football fan of any club who is anything other than disgusted by this shoddy behaviour; Celtic fans are by no means isolated. Most fans of former-club, Rangers, don’t want to see a phoenix assisted by such blatant patronage, lest Newco is forever known as a team which needed rules to be changed and money taken from Celtic to give it life.
Believe me, if Newco exists for 100 years, every day they score a goal someone will say, “They are only there because the rules were changed to help them and money was taken from Celtic to pay for it”.
They will forever be known as the Establishment club with definitive evidence that they benefited from the Establishment’s help.
The once-proud era of Scottish league football is surely over, what we are witnessing is merely evidence of this fact. ‘Sport’ as gone from our football. Fans, clubs and the national bodies must accept this reality and start to make forward plans to breathe the oxygen of genuine competition into our game.
Where is Michel Platini when football really needs some help?
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Is the paying of Old Rangers footballing debts a condition of the Div1 parachute ? If so would that leave NewCo at risk of having to honour other debts ?
Philvis.
Lol!
Twice in one day? People will talk…
HH
Just a qiuck post,
Paul67 the though of the other clubs taking any share of our gate monies scares me, our season ticket base will collapse, i know numerous season ticket holders (myself included) who would not go back if our money was going anywhere else other than to Celtic.
I hope the board realise that in the middle of a reccesion spare money is hard enough to come by, and it is our emotional investment in the club we love, take that away or dilute it to fund other clubs then it would be the final straw for a lot of people.
We must fight this tooth and nail.
gebhoy
The silence of Scotland s MSM is disgusting .. Of Alex Thomson of c4 did not ask questions there would be none..
Regan, Doncaster, are destroying Scottish football for supporters of all clubs..
Get them out !!
Isn’t it strange how the SPL seem competent enough to reorganise at least two divisions of the league with just 3 weeks to go before the start of the season yet seem unable to announce the result of the Dual Contract investigation in four months?
Isn’t it weird how the SFA cant seem to respond to oldcos challenge in the court about a transfer embargo?
Isn’t it funny how the authorities found it fit to ban Neil Lennon for 8 games following the “shame game,” and yet no huns were banned and as yet but as yet still haven’t been able to ban a single oldco employee for the theft of tax revenue and unpaid football debt.
Isn’t it odd that following the “shame game” the SNP found it necessary to introduce a law to combat the disruption caused by the Celtic V Oldco games, yet can’t see any reason to deal with the 37 arrests at Saturdays hunfest marches. Can we assume there is no stomach for that issue?
It’s a strange ole world right enough eh? Shug the rug and many others can stop harping on about SPL without sevco, but can’t seem to address the ramifications of oldcos misdeeds, such as three CL attempts and rewards.
So far the Scottish fitba authorities contribution to this fiasco is basically to try to rig the vote in favour of sevco
But the strangest thing of all and its one that I cant figure out so I call on the services of CQNs resident accountants, money men and general all round smarties to keep me right
Did Ticketus take a bath for 25 million quid (hard to believe)
Does Craig Whyte still have a security for 18 million quid
How was Green allowed to buy 100 million quid worth of assets for 5 million quid
Its like an episode of the twilight zone
Beyond belief..
I’m not sure what all the concern is about.
Surely we all know that the Board have a plan, are playing a blinder, and will prevail.
Sevco refuse international clearance for want away players….
Must be time for FIFA to act
This is madness.
Sevco stand very little chance of being able to take part in football in the coming season. There are strong hints that BDO may challenge the sale of the assets of Rangers (il) to Green and they have zilch income due to almonst non existent st sales. The chances of them being able to complete their fixturs in any senior league are at best low.
The SFL would be taking an unprecendented leap into the dark to include this shell into their football set up. I think that’s why they have rules about years of accounts and associate membership and stuff like that.
Surely this folly cannot be perperuated.
The logic and stance of Turnbull Hutton must be taken up by the majority of SFL members.
But yet the MSM still plead their case.
I despair
HH
SIALF
gebhoy is the taxmans tick tocking clock, tick…tock on 9 July, 2012 at 13:19 said:
I don’t think the Celtic board are the problem. (tin hat on)
We may all have to either accept such change or act decisively to prevent it. And I suspect the board will be happy to help us.
HH
*THE KING VIC 67* on 9 July, 2012 at 13:14 said:
We pay an annual membership subscription to Celtic FC, say £500, and that gets us our season ticket for £50 …….and we Bhoycott EVERY game outside Celtic Park, whilst picking up the appropriate % of away games ……which means we will actually be getting more than we get now………..!!!! Silly SFA
ernie lynch on 9 July, 2012 at 13:20 said:
COOOOORRECT …….LOL
surely someone at celtic should be telling fifa ,about .livingston, dundee, gretna ,being relegated to the 3rd division because they went into bust,rangers owe much more then these 3 clubs ,yet there are people at the s f a , s p l, s f ly ,want them to be relagated to division 1 ,if iwas the chairman of any one of these 3 clubs .i would be getting the best lawyers in town to put rangers were they deserve to be,my club should set the cat amongst the pigeons and decline the sky deal till rangers are firmly put in there place. and make no mistake if the positions were reversed rangers would be putting the boot right into us .so celtic do the right thing.also i see lenny is taking the bait regarding ki and vic saying they want to go and play in the e p l ,lenny get yourself a pr spokesperson this is just the start of the media having a go at you ,so dont fall into the trap .
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 9 July, 2012 at 12:58 said:
”I remember Alex Thompson a couple of weks ago telling us he was waiting for a reply from HMRC why the EBT decsion had not been pubished, did I miss it”
He said on Saturday that he’d be contacting the Tribunal Service today for an update.
Bear in mind though that even once it’s issued the judgement might not be published. Only about 1 in 3 FTT tribunal judgements are published.
And the possibility of criminal charges arising from the matters dealt with in the hearing would probably prevent publication until all criminal cases have been concluded.
The Bhoyfromoz
Was there that night only the warning from that flats that the polis were charging down the street there could have been serious injuries. Wd love to buy a drink for the “darts player” who thru the screw tap. lol 3 polis and 3 horses charged but only 2 polis and 3 horses returned. <o))))
The supporters of 41 clubs boycotting the Scottish Cup and the Scottish League Cup en masse would strike a note in football stadiums throughout the land.
It would also bring attention from outside of this small country.
If the gerrymandering exercise succeeds and a new football club is elavated two divisions then I believe the backlash from ordinary supporters will be huge.
It truly is awful that our game is being tarnished in this way.
Regarding the Celtic money grab
A colleague of mine supports Motherwell. He bought 1 adult and 2 kids season tickets for £280.
About a tenner a game for the Adult and four quid for the kids
Why then are celtic fans being charged in excess of 20 quid to watch celtic play at Well, when the home fans are paying a tenner
http://saintinasia.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/the-sfaspl-tv-myth-how-we-compare-to-europe/
Had this sent to me from a mate who supports the sheep. If the figures are correct than I would say it’s reason enough in itself to demand Doncaster’s head on a stick.
Foxy1888,
I prefer to think they are still investigting issues and money trails of people who think they got away with it.
The “establishemnt” failed to kill this investigaton, so I think thetime is al down ti the seriousness of the investigation, hopefully the EBT verdict will be published the day BDO take over sometime this week.
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors
Ive seen the post often on CQN, however is it the intentions of our board to try this out???
HH
stevebhoy@13:22
‘We may all have to either accept such change’
Who on earth is going to watch a rigged game?
Which is what Scottish football will become if SevCo enter Div 1
Or…..we don’t Bhoycott ……and receive EVEN MORE away gate money…..LOL
Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan aren’t coming up with all of this themselves.
I think the more interesting question is who is telling them this stuff.
Doncaster works for the SPL , so who amongst the chairmen who so resoundingly voted no last week and stood up for sporting integrity is, contrary to all appearances, actually conducting a behind the scenes rearguard action.
Regan works for the SFA. The answer to who is giving him the material he is using to threaten and cajole, deflect and delay, is perhaps a little less mysterious when his old mate Campbell is still hanging on for grim death just up the corridor.
But the point I’m making is, these guys are just the messengers, so who is actually sending the messages?
I’d love to know.
While I’m at it, can someone who is in touch with him ask Alex Thomson to get a straight answer to the question which has vexed me since 2007. It is this.
Did the SFA receive any monetary compensation from Rangers when Walter Smith left as manager of the Scottish National Team?
I asked Darryl Broadfoot by e mail at the time and all he would say was that both parties were happy with the arrangement reached.
Kind of makes you wonder, don’t it?
BikerGerry
Todd Snider certainly doesn’t sugar coat his message.
( Neither did Woody which is why US kids are not taught the last two verses )
Snider nails his message from verse 1
so you either take it all or not all.
The Onlooker
A handful of clubs have been liquidated through the years.
A larger number have gone into administration.
All of them will have paid for things they could not afford and subsequently failed to pay their debts in full.
How many of them were actually successful during their “stealing” years? How many actually “bought” silverware?
Are Rangers the only club in our history who “bought” numerous trophies and titles with money they didn’t have??
Three consecutive SPL titles while insolvent??
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
That makes perfect sense.
My suspicions get the better of me sometimes.
Ten Men Won The League on 9 July, 2012 at 13:32 said:
To be honest, that phrase was intended merely as a literary device intended to make plain that, like many other people, I think that we need to act decisively to prevent (or circumvent) such changes when they are formally proposed. To date, as far as I am aware, the only public references to this issue arose over the ‘Gang of Ten’ meeting to which Celtic were not invited. It has been suggested that the other clubs remaining in the SPL following the demise of Satan FC might want to change the voting structure. Given their financial positions, it is generally supposed that ‘gate sharing’ (we must be careful, that phrase attracts the wrong sort) would be high on their list of preferences. Hence the fact that some on here have proposed membership schemes and the like as a way to ensure that our money stays with our club.
I’m all for that, honest!
HH
BikerGerryS – if anything things are worse than when Woody Guthrie wrote the original in the 1940′s
Nonsense on stilts.
If anything, the world and the vast majority of people in it are incredibly better off in almost every respect than they were in the 1940’s. We live longer, richer, freer and healthier lives with more abundance of everything than any of our ancestors ever knew.
To give you an example: when my grandparents first got married back in the 1930’s, they moved into a single room house with no indoor toilet. They had to share an outdoor toilet with several other families. To pay for it all my grandfather spent his days in backbreaking toil in steelworks where the concept of “health and safety” was almost unknown and wages were a pittance. They lived in a town that was frequently choked with stoor and smog and illuminated at night by the hellish light of ravenous furnaces. Their only transport options were the tram, the train, or Shanks’ mare: the idea of owning a car would have seemed as likely to them as walking on the Moon. Food was always scarce so they daren’t waste a scrap of their meagre diets. Their experience was not untypical of the working class experience of those days, there were people a lot poorer than they were.
Today, the ordinary working class person enjoys indoor plumbing, central heating, a big screen TV, a car, a mobile phone, new clothes, abundant and varied food sourced from all over the world, and at least one foreign holiday a year. They mostly work in clean, air-conditioned offices and shops, but even our factories are unrecognisable compared with their 1930’s counterparts – the average factory of today looks a lot more like the Starship Enterprise than it does the dark satanic mills of old. Our towns, cities, air, water and rivers are cleaner than they ever been since the Industrial Revolution. The average person has never before in human history enjoyed such free and unfettered access to knowledge, news, and communication as he now does via the internet.
Howevah, there’s more of a market for pessimism and blaming The Man for all problems real and imagined than there is for reasonable optimism.
Fight the power! (thumbsup)
*THE KING VIC 67* on 9 July, 2012 at 13:30 said:
The Board will not accept this nonsense, and will be looking at ways to protect our revenue …….. of that, we can all be confident.
Whatever happens, I feel the SFA are not silly enough to try that one on us….. If they do, they will not know what hit them, and they will not survive it .
I actually believe that, with the improved competitive element, and the ‘level playing field’, attendances at ALL matches will dramatically improve next season……
Any of the Cardiff Bhoys out there??
Have some potential clients coming over from Malaysia to UK this week and we have a 2 nights stay in Cardiff Wed-Fri.
Have been asked to provide halal restaurants.
Been online and only a couple been highlighted: Juboraj and Ambala (which aapears to be on outskirts of city).
Can any of you recommend a good Halal restaurant for me? If need be we can email for easier conversation. Let me know if this is preferable.
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
Don’t know if this has been posted already?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2002/jun/18/newsstory.sport3
Cyrul
ernie..
cheers, was hoping it was as serious as that :o)
Who set Philvis off on one? He was in a good mood earlier, so its no ma fault!
HH
Blindlemonchitlin@13:32
Doncaster works for the SPL , so who amongst the chairmen who so resoundingly voted no last week and stood up for sporting integrity is, contrary to all appearances, actually conducting a behind the scenes rearguard action’
Agree entirely on the above part of your post. There is no way on earth Doncaster is working against the SPL clubs wishes otherwise he would be out on his archie by now
I’ll say it again. The SPL clubs could kill this plan stone dead if they so wished
ernie lynch on 9 July, 2012 at 13:20 said:
I’m not sure what all the concern is about.
Surely we all know that the Board have a plan, are playing a blinder, and will prevail.
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2010 Never Again
I’m with you Ernie. I’m not concerned either
stevebhoy – I’m in an excellent mood, I’m putting the Tim back into “optimism”. (thumbsup)
Philvis – “….with more abundance of everything than any of our ancestors ever knew.”
Rubbish. Our ancestors were much more abundant in dodos than us.
And pterodactyls.
Times are far better now…there was a Rangers in the ’40’s!
Philvis
You would be better trying to put the optimism back into the Tim(s)!
HH