Of course, it happened in our ’67 anniversary season. Celtic were drawn away to Albion Rovers in the Scottish Cup, as the Rovers dumped Queen of the South out of the competition last night. The tiny Lanarkshire club (arguably the smallest in Scotland) don’t have an illustrious history, but Jock Stein played more games for them than any other team. In Coatbridge, that counts.
I’m sure it makes sense for Kieran Tierney to have a shoulder operation while he’s out with an ankle injury but it’s very unwelcome news that the player needed the work. Despite upbeat reports I’m sceptical the op will not further delay his return. For a start, any notions of getting upper body work done are no longer valid.
Uniquely in European football, Celtic’s season is skewed to the start, not to when the prizes are given out at the end, which have become a meritocratic formality. With no European football after Christmas this season, the remainder of the campaign will be about getting ready for July and August, when the really important stuff takes place.
Kieran will miss three Champions League group stage games in total, last Sunday’s cup final and some atmospheric games to come; this will be the source of some regret to the teenager. In compensation he can look forward to picking up a league winner’s medal at the end of the season, and hopefully being in top condition for the qualifiers.
To be fair to Robbie Neilson, even when he was a success at Hearts he wasn’t overwhelmingly appreciated. This season it looks like the party’s over, so I understand why he would take a job at MK Dons which, on the face of it, looks like a dangerous step.
Dons are two points above relegation (to the fourth tier), without a league win in two months. The club has serious structural issues which any new manager would find difficult to compensate for with little more than a few fresh tactical notions. But at least Neilson can’t be blamed for relegation, should it happen.
He’s next year’s Jackie McNamara.
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Ming
I know what you are saying, but if you think about it, the fans DO matter. Just not ones that show up to the stadium. Far more are watching at home (as Awe Naw pointed out) and they all pay their money to Sky and BT. So it is their needs and optimal viewing times that are satisfied – because they outnumber the ones that paying money to the clubs.
English clubs are all happy with this arrangement because they receive more in TV money than they do in gate receipts (not always but for the most part). But for Scottish football, the same rules apply except the clubs get a pittance.
Btw, I appreciate I have said nothing new, and you already knew that…
!!Bada Bing!! on 30th November 2016 2:30 pm
GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL on 30TH NOVEMBER 2016 2:27 PM
Is Robbie Neilson Steven Pressley?
SP might end up back at Swinecastle….
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Well there you go. Never in the same place at the same time………
TIMGREEN
Good post.
I am sure there will be a fund set up soon that we can give to if we want.
Rather than buy a jersey and line someone else’s pockets I’d prefer to give the fund the cash direct.
DAVIDOPOULOS
I live in England and for me TV is my only chance to see Celtic ‘live’ so to speak. So I am as guilty as the next man. But it puts the travelling fan especially right at the back of the TV companies list of priorities.
Celtic fans having to travel to Dingwall for a noon kick off or Liverpool fans to Southampton for a 5.30
Philbhoy / Timgreen
In the meantime we can offer our prayers ( subject to belief)
STV have published their guide to circumventing FFP break even.
http://stv.tv/sport/football/1374309
Two things. If future financial forecasts show that a club can only break even or reduce debt by PARTICIPATING in UEFA competition can that source of income fairly be included in future forecasts?
Surely the idea is to compete for a place on the basis of earned income not what a club expects to earn by going beyond its regular football income? To allow that is to allow clubs to gamble, which is what the article says UEFA wish to deter. So how is that going to work without driving a coach and horses through FFP?
Second is the old new club argument. The SFA membership was transferred to the new club/company because TRFC /RIFC take that form, BUT UEFA did not recognise that transfer as signifying continuity of membership of the SFA.
Had they then TRFC would not have been ineligible to obtain a licence for three years under Article 12. To UEFA TRFC/ RIFC are only 4 years old.
How the SFA and SPFL wish to perceive matters is driven more by commercial motives than football rules and authority.
Is this another attempt by SFA and STV to fog the new club/company issue?
MING
That goes without saying.
ERNIE LYNCH on 30TH NOVEMBER 2016 2:47 PM
Thanks for the link.
Hot smoked bada Bing cheers ghuys
Ming bang on HH
Ming on 30th November 2016 3:13 pm
DAVIDOPOULOS
I live in England and for me TV is my only chance to see Celtic ‘live’ so to speak. So I am as guilty as the next man. But it puts the travelling fan especially right at the back of the TV companies list of priorities.
Celtic fans having to travel to Dingwall for a noon kick off or Liverpool fans to Southampton for a 5.30
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Totally agree, those that actually make an atmosphere worth tuning in for are the ones that are penalised.
I live in England too and I watch matches through dodgy streams. I’m the worst of the worst :)
DAVIDOPOULOS
go take a shower
Hot Smoked on 30th November 2016 2:50 pm
This projected (?) CL new format. Is it four teams in total from the top four leagues or four from each ie sixteen in total?
JJ
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The top 2 from the 4 top leagues will automatically qualify for the Group Stages and that will remove 4 places for the rest. The Champions Route will still be there.
KTF
If link to STV article not working try this.
http://stv.tv/sport/football/1374309-explained-will-rangers-need-approval-to-play-in-europe/?utm_content=buffer2431e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Auldheid,
Granting a UEFA licence on the basis of viability due to Euro cash, is wrong, not only from the view of gambling on not yet earned money.
It was also the reason that we had the season of Honest Mistakes.
Murray announced to all and sundry, that the Widow’s Son needed European competition to survive.
The SFA and Refs subsequently did their duty.
The call went out again at their recent AGM, but this time, I fear that Aberdeen and Hearts will be the main victims.
VFR800
The top 4 teams from the top 4 countries get automatically into the group stage = 16
As does the winner of the previous year = 16 + 1
as does the winner of the EL = 18
Leaving 14 places for every other team in Europe
The format for the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League for 2018/19, 2019/20 and 2020/21 have been confirmed, with no changes to the compettions system but a new procedure for entries.
Following an extensive consultative process involving all European football stakeholders, UEFA proposed amendments which have been approved by the UEFA Executive Committee, upon recommendations of the UEFA Club Competitions Committee and the European Club Association Board.
Q&A: All you need to know about the changes
Changes
The UEFA Europa League winners will automatically qualify for the UEFA Champions League group stage (currently they can potentially take part in a play-off round).
The top four clubs from the four top-ranked national associations will now qualify automatically for the group stage of the UEFA Champions League.
The full details of the access list for both competitions will be finalised by the end of the year.
A new system for the club coefficients: clubs will be judged on their own records (deletion of the country share for individual club coefficient unless that coefficient is lower than 20% of the association’s coefficient).
Historical success in the competition will also be acknowledged in coefficient calculation (points for previous European titles with a weighted system for UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League titles)
Financial distribution to clubs will be increased significantly for both competitions.
A new four-pillar financial distribution system (starting fee, performance in the competition, individual club coefficient and market pool) will see sporting performances better rewarded, while market pool share will decrease.
What doesn’t change
Retention of Champions and League route of qualifying in the UEFA Champions League, ensuring that clubs from all associations can enter through their domestic leagues and qualify for both competitions.
The UEFA Champions League will continue to have a 32-team group stage leading to a 16-club knockout phase. Similarly the UEFA Europa League remains at 48 teams.
A subsidiary company will be created that will play a strategic role in determining the future and the management of club competitions: UEFA Club Competitions SA, where half of the managing directors will be appointed by UEFA and the other half by the ECA.
Speaking about the amendments agreed for the new cycle, UEFA General Secretary ad interim Theodore Theodoridis said: “The evolution of UEFA’s club competitions is the result of a wide-ranging consultative process involving all stakeholders and taking into account a wide range of expertise and perspectives.
“The amendments made will continue to ensure qualification based on sporting merit, and the right of all associations and their clubs to compete in Europe’s elite club competitions.
“We are happy that European football remains united behind the concepts of solidarity, fair competition, fair distribution and good governance.”
awe naw
if the winners of both the CL and EL qualify by being in the top 4 of the big 4 then does that mean 16 places up for grabs
STV have issued a wee comfort blanket for Sevco fans:
http://stv.tv/sport/football/1374309-explained-will-rangers-need-approval-to-play-in-europe/
Except there are a few errors. Most notably this:
“If Rangers fail to meet the criteria, will they be banned from playing in Europe?
No. Not in season 2017/18.
UEFA begins to monitor under the “break-even requirement” at the point a licence is applied for but no club has ever been banned prior to competition for failing to meet the criteria.”
Really? You sure about that chaps?
Then they say:
“The only significant recent ban on playing was for Galatatasray, who were restricted from playing in European competition for the next two seasons. This was imposed after they failed to keep to the terms of an existing settlement agreement.”
Do you maybe want to check out the case of Dynamo Moscow?
4 Germans + 4 English + 4 Italians + 4 Spanish
+1 CL winner (from above)
+1 EL winner
= 18 – 32 = 14 places up for grabs
The Champions Route that we qualified from has lost a place.
This year 5 qualified, when the new rules come in it will only be 4.
20% reduction. I would suggest Peachy Lawwell hasn’t done that well. Certainly he’s not deserving of praise for the changes
The one nation that benefits from this more than others is Italy, by a long way.
I’m surprised countries seeded 5 and 6 France and Russia, I believe, didn’t kick up more of a fuss, maybe they did but it was,suppressed.
Hail Hail.
Note to self….look at the moniker at top of post.
Dont care how they go down the tubes, just want them to go down the tubes.
HH
DavidO-It warms the cockles of your heart,to know the stoic spirit of intrepid journalism is alive and kicking at STV…………… is that the best they can do ? ,i’m sure a Level 5 Lapdog will Hotdesk it in there………
Sorry ,just noticed that Auldheid posted the same STV article.
Congratulations to Gareth Southgate on beating off all the other candidates to be named manager of England.
!!Bada Bing!!
It looks like they have knocked it together in a rush. Hey, at least they are broaching the subject unlike many other stories worthy of attention.
Not too sure if this is bad men at work
Austria:
Azerbaijan: İnter Baku (banned from UEFA competitions 1 out of next 3 seasons)
Belarus:
Belgium: Mouscron (no UEFA license)
Bosnien and H.: Radnik Bijeljina (not requested UEFA license), Čelik Zenica and Borac Banja Luka (financial troubles)
Bulgarian: CSKA Sofia (failed FFP, banned from UEFA competitions)
Croatia:
Cyprus:
Czech Rep.: Sparta Prague (FFP investigations)
Denmark: All fine
England: Cardiff (failed FFP, transferban), Hull City (FFP investigations)
France: Monaco (FFP investigations)
Germany: Wolfsburg (FFP investigations)
Greece: Panionios and PAS Giannena (FFP suspended by UEFA)
Italy: Roma (under FFP investigations), Genoa (FFP suspended by UEFA), AC Milan and Inter (Signed FFP deal with UEFA)
Latvia: Skonto Riga (Financial problems, didn’t obtain either domestic or UEFA licens)
Moldova: All fine
Netherlands: Twente (banned from UEFA competitions 3 years. Under investigation by domestic FA)
Norway:
Poland:
Portugal: Sporting Clube (FFP investigations)
Romania: Târgu Mureş (banned from UEFA competitions 1 out of next 3 seasons)
Russia: Dynamo Moscow (FFP suspended by UEFA) Lokomotiv Moscov, Rostov and Krasnodar (FFP investigations)
Scotland:
Spain: Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid (transfer of unlegal youngsters, transferban)
Sweden:
Switzerland:
Turkey: Galatsary (failed FFP, banned from UEFA competitions 1/2 next seasons), Bursaspor (failed FFP, banned from UEFA competitions) and Beşiktaş, Fenerbace, Trabzonspor (FFP investigations)
Ukraine: Dnipro (Financial problems, banned from UEFA competitions at least 1 seasons) Metalist Karkiv and Chornomorets (FFP investigations)
thomthethim for Oscar OK on 30th November 2016 3:36 pm
Auldheid,
Granting a UEFA licence on the basis of viability due to Euro cash, is wrong, not only from the view of gambling on not yet earned money.
It was also the reason that we had the season of Honest Mistakes.
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It started the previous season when they got three home (and only one away) games against Hearts.
It carried on through 09-10 and into 10-11 with MacGregor’s fast-track suspension to get him back for the Celtic game. And that’s before even going anywhere near the UEFA license for 11-12!
Delighted to inform all fans of George McCluskey that the great man was interviewed today for Celtic TV and 30 minutes of George talking about football, Celtic and his biography will appear on ‘The Huddle’ on Celtic TV on Thursday. Don’t miss it!
http://www.uefa.org/protecting-the-game/club-licensing-and-financial-fair-play/news/newsid=2244685.html#settlement+agreement+details
I can’t imagine for a minute that UEFA’s idea of financial fair play is for a club to say “Look, we might be running an insolvent business, but if you bend your rules and let us in to your tournament we’ll be able to run a less insolvent business. Oh, and by the way, we’re the ‘same club’ that went bust running that exact same business model.”
my post at 4.18 may be flawed but all those teams and many others too have had their trials and tribulations. UEFA have to be seen to be applying the rules without fear or favour, or wither.
kitalba on 30th November 2016 4:26 pm
my post at 4.18 may be flawed but all those teams and many others too have had their trials and tribulations. UEFA have to be seen to be applying the rules without fear or favour, or wither.
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The list you posted is a good one, although some of the bans were imposed by domestic associations not UEFA. But you are right, UEFA do take it seriously.
The Newco may be able to point to a reduction in losses between 2015 and 2016 (well going from June to June of those years) as rationale for them to reach a settlement, however the fact that a settlement agreement would require withholding of prize money and a fine, their argument would be undermined.
http://www.uefa.org/protecting-the-game/club-licensing-and-financial-fair-play/news/newsid=2366661.html
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/Regulations/02/35/92/45/2359245_DOWNLOAD.pdf
Page 28 Stadium requirements for EL
Davidopoulos
The Newco may be able to point to a reduction in losses between 2015 and 2016 (well going from June to June of those years) as rationale for them to reach a settlement, however the fact that a settlement agreement would require withholding of prize money and a fine, their argument would be undermined.
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Furthermore, a Going Concern warning in the accounts is also a breach of the FFP criteria.
Fairhill Bhoy-
My meeting has been moved to 3pm in Summerlin, which is about 10 miles west of the Strip by Red Rock National Park.
I wouldn’t be able to get down your way till this evening, and I doubt that your good lady would want a stranger barging in on your last evening in Vegas.
I’ll call it off them, with apologies. Maybe next time.
KITALBA
Turkey: Galatsary (failed FFP, banned from UEFA competitions 1/2 next seasons), Bursaspor (failed FFP, banned from UEFA competitions) and Beşiktaş, Fenerbace, Trabzonspor (FFP investigations)
This mob could teach the Italians and that’s saying something.
If you have followed the court cases from this mob, some of the decisions to release some of the top men from jail is as bad as the corruption in the clubs.
Today has been a good day on CQN. Plenty of intellegent discussion and polite disagreements. More of this please.
Less of those bloody puns…who is it that keeps starting them????