I see a bit of debate on the blog this morning on Lord Nimmo Smith’s SPL Commission, which has retired to prepare its report. In March last year former Rangers owner, Sir David Murray, insisted no Rangers players had “side contracts”, inferring there was no case to answer. This line has not been peddled since. Instead, various excuses are offered in mitigation.
BBC’s award winning The Men Who Sold the Jerseys documentary established that a large number of players received money in connection with playing football which was not recorded with the SPL and SFA. Even Rangers counsel at the First Tier Tribunal conceded tax should have been paid on five of these players.
The real issue for Nimmo Smith is how to impose an appropriate punishment for illegal registration on this scale, which is consistent with punishments recently handed out to Spartans, Dunfermline and others, all of whom were kicked out of competitions, and fined up to a quarter of their annual income, for offences relating to single games.
For a couple of years now we have discussed the toxicity of matters surrounding the Rangers group of clubs. Actions carried out during the Murray and Whyte eras put Rangers into liquidation with vast governance issues plaguing the game and the new club which inherited their player registrations.
On the assumption the SPL Commission concludes Rangers were guilty of fielding illegally registered players in hundreds of games, what would an appropriate punishment be? Forget about stripping titles, or reclaiming prize money, both of which are merely consequences of the facts being established, not punishments.
I have total confidence Nimmo Smith will submit a report beyond reproach on whether Rangers broke the rules, but would he send for a Black Cap before handing out a sentence? I’m not so sure. Spartans and the rest might feel their 25% annual income fine for a single-match offence might become an embarrassment to some of the game’s administrators.
“Without fear or favour” was what we were promised last year. Let’s see.
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Big North Lanarkshire cyber hard men picking on the beautiful, gentle, sensitive, creative, brave, compassionate people of ML3. Twas ever thus. Jealousy is a terrible thing…
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miki67,hard road ahead,as a mungo boy i know you will handle it and keep the faith.slainge ak
Anytime soon please, LNS, ‘cos that smug B, Jim White’s on SSN just now, and I want to see his coupon when the thought of yon deid club getting tainted titles stripped, hits him!!
SchadenfreudeCSC.
Germany has been the biggest exporter of manufactured goods in the world since the early seventies. Recently overtaken by China.
The difference is Germany exports railway systems, power systems, factories. Contracts which don’t disappear with an economic downturn.
Germany has a thorough and on-going programme supported by all sides to prepare their youth to be well socialised, economically active, and productive.
Germany in a by-gone era looked at Scotland with nothing other than respect for our social, educational, scientific and engineering achievements. And football.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS – A wee point from your link at 1453-yes,we may make more now than before,but it is relative.
True.
Manufacturing-from your link-is now around 12% of GDP.
Because manufacturing has grown, but the rest of the economy has grown faster.
That is not a sustainable level for a healthy economy
How comes? The only form of economic sustainability is turning a profit surely.
Anyway,pleasure as always having a blether wi you all-cot time for night shift.
Take care my friend in Celtic. (thumbsup)
GerryBhoy – I’m sure life in Germany is very pleasant if you don’t mind the lower average wages, much higher electricity bills (thanks, wind turbines!), and don’t mind paying their healthcare costs or the quality of their food, etc.
Quality of life is subjective and life everywhere is full of trade-offs. We in the UK tend to believe the worst about our own country and the best about our continental neighbours but the truth is we’re lucky in many way to live here. (thumbsup)
miki67 – best wishes to you.
channelislandcelt – sorry to read about your Mother, take care.
Ntassoolla
15:36 on 22 February, 2013
‘Germany in a by-gone era looked at Scotland with nothing other than respect for our social, educational, scientific and engineering achievements. And football.’
Was that when Scotland was independent?
When a group of German engineers targetted the hedge funds and market makers of The City of London 4 yrs ago in the Porsche-Volkswagen affair, the Germans won.
The hedge fund boys cried foul and ran to their lawyers, accusing the Germans of manipulating the market!!!??
The Germans said “bring it on”. Trouble is the case was to be heard in Germany.
The BBC covered it in “Fast Bucks: How Porsche Made Billions.” It’s no longer on the iplayer but can be found on the web.
Ntassoolla – And then they drove off in their 911’s, laughing and playing Kraftwerk really loudly on their Blaupunkt stereos. (thumbsup)
philvisreturns 14:38 on 22 February, 2013
“When I was 12 I could barely afford chocolate cigarettes to annoy teachers with. (thumbsup)
Living beyond your means even at that age? Everybody else in Coatbridge was on sweet tobacco when they were 12.
erryBhoy – I’m sure life in Germany is very pleasant if you don’t mind the lower average wages, much higher electricity bills (thanks, wind turbines!), and don’t mind paying their healthcare costs or the quality of their food, etc.
Quality of life is subjective and life everywhere is full of trade-offs. We in the UK tend to believe the worst about our own country and the best about our continental neighbours but the truth is we’re lucky in many way to live here.
Well, I’m in quite a good position to comment as I did. I get feedback from both of my kids. My son is a team leader in marketing for Daimler in Stuttgart and my daughter is finishing up (I hope!) her Phd at Edinburgh Uni. She was brought up and educated up to University level here in Germany. She has lived in Scotland for the last 8/9 years of her tertiary education (Aberdeen, St. Andrews and Edinburgh). Although she is fond of Scotland, she assures me that the cost of living bears no comparison and neither does the quality of life. Her opinion. So much so for example, that if she requires medical treatment, she comes back here to get it. Her comparisons are quite scathing.
ernie when Scotland was independent Germany was c.160/260 yrs away from coming into existence. However, they wanted to be a nation state and took on all comers in order to achieve it.
Would you deny them that and return them to their previous existence under the heel of the French, the Swedes, the Austrians, etc … ?
Auldheid,
from the last thread. I was only 3 when Charlie Tully scored from the corner kick at Brockville. By the bye, didn’t he do it twice? I think the first time, the ref told him to retake it and he did, with the same result. I onlly remember seeing Charlie once. He was playing for Northern Ireland, I think, at Celtic Park. It would have been about 1958.
Hen1rik
Love it. How the tables have turned.
Any word on Green Brigade attendance on Sunday?
HH
philvis
Many thanks for the comeback on your experience with E-Lites.
Food for thought.
Need to get my head round it all..
My late mother nagged me for years – she was a lifelong non-smoker.
Even my dad – an-ex smoker – still nags occassionaly.
I’m working on it!
HH!!
hamiltontim
14:29 on
22 February, 2013
I will not have a bad word said aboot the village!!!!!!!!
Steinreignedsupreme – Everybody else in Coatbridge was on sweet tobacco when they were 12
I preferred macaroons. (thumbsup)
GerryBhoy – Have to agree with you on one point. The Germans do have better healthcare than us. Doubt they’d let thousands of their elderly be killed off by medical neglect the way the good old NHS does. (thumbsup)
philvisreturns @15:51 before I posted I was sure you would have caught that story.
I had tears of laughter running down my face when the hedge fund managers started playing the victim on camera.
Following on from you post I wonder how those hedge fund managers felt as they turned the ignition keys in their own 911’s that night.
Ntassoolla
15:55 on 22 February, 2013
It’s not a good idea to turn the clock back is it?
Tallybhoy – I got nagged for years too.
I could never successfully move on from things like smoking or drinking or whatever based on what other people want though, it only happened when I wanted it for myself.
For me, smoking was great for the first few years, then became more and more of a chore as I found myself doing it out of compulsion rather than for pleasure. (thumbsup)
PF Ayr @ 1517hrs,
wont comment on the traducing – you know its soooo true though ;-) – but you have certainly reduced my wallet with your bets this season!!
Even Jobo is catching ye up now…….
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
‘I fully understand your concerns’.
Customer Service CSC
miki67
Really sorry to read your news but,as you say, there is so much that they can do these days.
Fortunately, unlike everything else, modern medicine is NOT rubbish.
I’ve met Larry a few times (last saw him at the Emirates for the Arsenal game). I take it you got the looks in the family
Miki-good luck sir.
TTT
That’s bollox …I’ve been not too bad of late
A nice 6/4 winner last week btw
ulysses mcghee,
We ML1/2ers are merely telling the truth, as you ML3ers are fully aware.
Its not our fault that ML3 is culturally inferior, in fact inferior in all aspects as im sure you will agree…
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
PF,
not too bad i agree…….by your normally Sevconian-level standards
;-)
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
ML1/2/3 debating culture is right up there with sevco claiming the bragging rights for dead clubs history.
ernie lynch @16:00 I’ve answered the catty questions you’ve put to me over the last 24 hrs.
So answer my questions.
For the last time – I don’t answer double or leading questions.
To do so would be to lower the standard of debate to the level of those who employ such tawdry tactics.
In all this ML1/2/3 bragging, can I put a shout in for ML10?
ShooglieBridgeCSC
Right come on! Admit it, who rattled the cage??
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
4 bottles of Cobra beer £2,only at Morrisons.
Sitting enjoying a nice Weißbier in a nice German restaurant with my Bhoy. Yes Germany lost the war but it won the peace. It has a strong manufacturing industry because we paid for it. It was only 2-3 years ago we paid our debt off to the USA for WW2. Thatcher destroyed our industry and sold off our assets to pay for tax reductions as a trade off for votes. I have always been a socialist but will no longer vote Labour. They are now part of the problem and have not been the answer to it for a very long time. I used to want Scottish independence but it was years ago and if wasn’t under the SNP. I promised myself I wouldn’t get involved in a pointless debate but the Weißbier is kicking-in, also my excuse for any spelling mistakes.
miki67 YNWA, aff oot.
The Battered Bunnet – I didn’t know the ML’s went up to 10 (thumbsup)
TBB,
the very fact that it was so far down the list says much, however i suppose the best I can do for you is to say is that they brought ML10 in merely to counter the ill-effects of those from ML9!
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
Has the paperwork been signed yet? Another major story ingored by the lapdogs.
A few too many ML postcodes……
Very poor coverage even by STV standards of the Thomas Rogne contract comment from Neil Lennon, where they are debating ‘a transfer’ and ‘compensation’ for a situation that hasn’t arisen.
Neil – tell them nothing.