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News that Harry Redknapp and Milan Mandaric, former manager and owner of Portsmouth FC respectively, will face trial in January over allegations they attempted to defraud HM Revenue and Customs will cast a long shadow within the football business in what is shaping up to be a landmark year for the game’s relationship with tax authorities.

Unlike Rangers on-going HMRC case, which is a mere tribunal that will decide if a liability demand is valid, Radknapp and Mandaric face criminal charges.  Redknapp is one of England’s most popular sporting figures but no more so than former jockey, Lester Piggott, who received a three year jail sentence for tax evasion in 1987.

High profile wins, at Crown Court or a First Tier Tribunal, are likely to bring in more undeclared tax than a bus load of cartoon characters in bowler hats.

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  1. bournesouprecipie,

     

     

    Peter Lawwell quote.

     

     

    “Chants glorifying the Provisional IRA are totally unacceptable”

     

     

    “It is an embarrassment to the club. We don’t want it, we don’t need it”

     

     

    If you are smart enough to give a reply like you just did you are smart enough to work it out.

     

     

    Seville67

  2. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    ROGUE LEADER 1100

     

     

    FFS,lighten up.

     

     

    I was agreeing with you.

     

     

    Mainly.

  3. Off the Record ! on

    JackIrvine

     

    @JackIrvine

     

    Cayman Islands London office about to make a very important political appointment. A real game changer.

     

     

    I’d have thought Jack would have more to work on than this ;-)

  4. Ernie Lynch

     

     

    that’s because you don’t know me.

     

     

    But I am really not bothered what you think of me if you do not accept my comments on face value.

     

     

    I notice that you still avoid the issue. If the fans stop singing chants that glorify the IRA then this would not be a story and the press would need to write about something else like the Rangers Tax Case.

     

     

    Seville67

  5. Steinreignedsupreme on

    Som mes que un club: 14 November, 2011 at 11:05

     

     

    Any idea how this relevant to the apparent charges from UEFA?

  6. BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS – I don’t know why you are saying I should lighten up. I haven’t been doing or saying anything that would suggest I wasn’t “light”.

     

     

    I am just totally confused by this whole exchange now.

  7. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on

    Livibhoy,

     

    I absolutely livid that the SCUM lawwell has bared his and by association our arses to the the most overt sectarian racist country in the western world.

     

    This is nothing short of a sell out of supporters long held right to sing our songs of freedom.

     

    His condemnation of singing about the PIRA who no longer exist and who won their campaign to be treated as equals with equal representation.

     

    It is not for appeasing scum like him and his Masonic puppetmasters to tell the Celtic support that censorship is to be the natural order at Celtic park.

  8. Bournesouprecipe,

     

     

    I am wasting my time with you.

     

     

    do you want me to name songs that glorify the IRA or do you need an exhaustive list as you cannot work them out ?

     

    I can name if you want the songs that I don’t want my sons to hear in Celtic Park.

     

    Peter Lawwell has credited the support with enough intelligence to work it out.

     

     

    I know the point you are trying to make that nobody has written down a banned list but as we really at that level of nit picking ?

     

     

    Seville67

  9. Seville67 says:

     

    14 November, 2011 at 11:10

     

     

    The press have ignored the Tax Tribunal for the year or so it’s been running. Nothing to do with the songs issue.

     

     

    The tribunal has been sitting in private. What are the media going to say about it?

  10. Steinreignedsupreme on

    Seville67: 14 November, 2011 at 11:10

     

     

    “If the fans stop singing chants that glorify the IRA then this would not be a story and the press would need to write about something else like the Rangers Tax Case.”

     

     

    Don’t be ridiculous.

     

     

    The Scottish media have had years to research the financial problems at Rangers – they are not interested in reporting catastrophic news for their favourite team.

  11. Som mes que un club on

    Steinreignedsupreme says:

     

    14 November, 2011 at 11:12

     

     

    All allegedly of course.

     

     

    Press Association Sport understands that Strathclyde Police made the UEFA delegate aware of “offensive” singing during the encounter.

     

     

    Celtic last month urged fans to stop singing pro-IRA chants after being “inundated” with complaints from their own supporters following their 2-0 defeat by Hearts at Tynecastle

  12. Anything can be offensive to anyone.

     

     

    So there are 3 options –

     

     

    1. Ban everything.

     

     

    2. Tell people to stop being so sensitive.

     

     

    3. Kill the Fenian bassas!!!

     

     

    Is that about right?

  13. Paul67 says:

     

    14 November, 2011 at 11:15

     

    ‘new article posted.’

     

     

     

    Not before time.

     

     

    I wonder what it’s about?

  14. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:

     

    14 November, 2011 at 11:13

     

     

    I don’t want to hear anyone working for Celtic called scum. That is reserved for murders and sex offenders in my opinion.

     

     

    Each to their own tho.

     

     

    LB

  15. ernie lynch—

     

     

    I too would like to think that .

     

     

    However —– I take the view that UEFA epitomize being ” self serving ‘

     

     

    They always try to do what they perceive to be in their best interests. .

     

     

    The Sion thing has been grinding on since the summer of 2008.. It has long been rumored as being much more than a dispute over the meaning of a Disciplinary Measure . There has been much hinting that other interested parties have supported Sion in their fight with UEFA.

     

     

    Recently , it has been rumored that the hundreds and hundreds of hours of phone interceptions carried out in Italy relating to corruption in Italian football include someone at Juve talking to someone at Napoli and whilst talking about ” the future ” referring to ” our friends at Sion ” .

     

     

    We’ll see —– We live in interesting times

  16. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    RogueLeader says:

     

     

    14 November, 2011 at 11:12

     

     

    BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS – I don’t know why you are saying I should lighten up. I haven’t been doing or saying anything that would suggest I wasn’t “light”.

     

     

    I am just totally confused by this whole exchange now.

     

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    Give it up ,mate.

     

     

    FFS,it must be easier to disagree with you than to agree in the first place.

     

     

    Why bother?

  17. Seville67 says:

     

     

    What bit of the simple question, – What songs? – are you failing to understand.

     

     

    You were at the game, what songs, and are these alleged ‘songs’, the subject of the alleged offence?

     

     

    Peter Lawell never used the word ‘song’ we have no evidence that this is linked to his statement, and unless you have privy to the alleged report, of an alleged of offence sent to UEFA – you could be making it all up, with faux embarrassment.

  18. Seville67 says:

     

    14 November, 2011 at 10:55

     

     

    you were doing well there until you wrote

     

     

    We as a support are giving them the option to write about something other than the Rangers Tax Case – more fool us.

     

     

    Who has written about the Rangers tax case ?

     

     

    Hail Hail

  19. Lennon n Mc....Mjallby on

    Seville

     

     

    You do realise you will never be taken seriously on here again don’t you?

  20. Could someone tell me the titles of the songs Lawwell wants to ban.IMO Lawwell has stitched up the Celtic support,he is playing to his own agenda.If I did’nt know better I would think he is looking for a job soon ,at the SPL/SFA.Let The People Sing.Slan

  21. I don’t want to hear Celtic fans singing the Boys of the Old Brigade or the “up the IRA” in the middle of the Willie Maley songs or the “Ooh ah, up the Ra” stuff. This is not me cow-towing to any SNP, Scottish media or Rangers fan agenda. I think this stuff offends people and not just those with an anti-Irish or anti-Irish-Catholic viewpoint.

     

     

    Removing those three elements of our songbook in no way lessens the celebration of Irish heritage and culture that we have always had (and should always have) in our support. The Fields of Athenrye, This land is your land, Let the people sing resonate the struggle many of our ancestors faced in establishing their own country or being accepted in what I call my country, Scotland. To add to the celebration of culture that nobody should find offensive, these songs are anthemic and create an amazing atmosphere.

     

     

    I say this as a Scottish 30-something who was raised a Catholic but hasn’t been to Mass in years. I support Celtic as my great-grandfather was the right worshipful master of the Stranraer Orange Lodge and my grandfather (who was raised a Proetstant) saw this for the ugly intolerance and hatred that it was and remains today. My father (who was raised a Protestant) carried this on and his eventual conversion to Catholicism in the 70s came well after his love of Celtic began in the mid-50s. The Catholic side of my family (my Mum’s own mother came to Scotland from Dublin the 30s) have no real passion for football.

     

     

    So that’s my cultural background. I see myself as a Scot first and foremost but I am proud of my Irish heritage and the struggles my grandmother must have overcome in Scotland all those years ago. I don’t want to airbrush any of that from the Celtic support. I just want the support to set ourselves apart from other football fans in terms of tolerance, passion, and love for a team as opposed to the narrow minded hatred we see from other teams. I think our standards are set higher than the fans of other clubs – that is why my grandfather and my father loved Celtic and why me and my brothers love Celtic. That is also why I think we should leave the three songs mentioned above out of our songbook.

     

     

    The Green Brigade are a force for change among the Celtic support (Just Can’t Get Enough, the huddle etc etc) and I want to see the club engage and accommodate those fans as much as they possibly can. Only a small change is needed and bringing it about voluntarily by discussion is the only way to bring it about.

     

     

    Just to clarify mt stance on the UEFA “charge”, I was at the Rennes game and I thought the support was superb. I heard nothing offensive apart from a few muted shouts of “ooh aah” from individuals. I feel angry that we’ve been reported to UEFA rather than being praised for the amazing atmosphere that 27,000 fans created in a tournament that has failed to spark much excitement elsewhere.

     

     

    Craiginho

  22. Big Packie's Accent on

    greenjedi says:

     

    14 November, 2011 at 09:06

     

     

    The GB need to wise up stop giving people excuses to attack our club though. While I agree Paddy McCourts Fenian Army is in NO WAY offensive, a unwashed illegitamate citrus fruit will look for any excuse to report us and give us negative publicity!

     

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    So its the GB that are at fault for negative publicity?

     

    Not bigots, media house and those with self fulfilling agenda !

     

     

    You blame the victim for the actions of the bigot,

     

    sounds like, brought it in themselves to me.

  23. .

     

     

    I Reckon we Should Ban “Illicit Chortling” @ Rankers on CQN..

     

     

    chortle [ˈtʃɔːtəl]

     

    vb

     

    (intr) to chuckle gleefully

     

    n

     

    a gleeful chuckle

     

    [coined (1871) by Lewis Carroll in Through the Looking-glass; probably a blend of chuckle + snort]

     

    chortler n

     

     

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    Summa ft ToMuchChortlingCSC

  24. Craiginho says:

     

    14 November, 2011 at 11:40

     

     

    Well said Sir! I endorse those senTIMents entirely. We do not need the ra stuff; our songbook, without those songs, encapsulates our heritage in a big way and in a way that is, or should be, acceptable the world over. Who got the BFITW awards by the way? Let’s not sully the legends.

     

     

    HH Gerry

  25. The invasion of privacy in Stokes case is far nore offensive and concerning than any reporting about chants/songs. Go to a game anywhere and you don’t hear offensive chants? Good luck with that!

     

    The best way to change these guts is to bhoycott their product ( DR, SM and Clyde/BBC phone in), remember the grovelling after ‘thugs and thieves’?

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