Based on indications set down in January, Celtic expected the fee asked for Adam Idah to rise to £6m. When the clubs started discussions this close season, Norwich actually asked £10m plus add-ons. We are all entitled to a view on whether Adam is good or poor value at that level, but a £10m+ budget opens the door to many more options across the globe.
For that money, you could have practically any striker in the lower leagues in Germany, Spain and Italy, many in the top flights in those countries, and all but a few in the English lower leagues, where Adam currently plies his trade. That fee changes the consideration from what is Adam’s value, to a comparison with at least a dozen options elsewhere. Norwich and Celtic were both entitled to hold tight for a while.
We have not gone near a fee like that since our old pal Peter was in charge and he authorised a £9m spend (also plus add-ons) for Odsonne Edouard six years ago. Curiously, that transaction was also for a backup striker. The unexpected departure of Moussa Dembele a few weeks later elevated Odsonne ahead of schedule. I expect Michael Nicholson will be keen to authorise a big ticket spend on his watch.
Indications last night suggest the clubs are sitting around the Zoom table and a deal is close. Norwich can still sit tight for three weeks; Celtic will need a convincing alternate deal to conclude earlier. As always, try to block out the bed wetters [I never know if they prefer their status to be hyphenated; is it bed-wetters? It always feels awkward to ask them, that anxiety trigger seems so delicate.].
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I would reserve criticism of the board ,if required, until after the transfer window closes.
I would also not sell MOR unless he is itching to go but he looks really content in this Celtic team and will only get better.
He will always give USA handsome payday.
good news
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5y83l52de8o
Tim Malone Will Tell on 9th August 2024 2:38 pm
To those who keep lobbing “progress in Europe” as a stick to bash the board, would you be happy if that progress in years to come is in the Europa or Conference Leagues? – because that is realistically our level given our league and financial structure.
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I’ve firmly accepted that our club is – for all pragmatic ends and purposes – a Europa League team.
Given the restrictions of our domestic game standards that should be the League we can initially do a bit of damage in.
Accepting this reality – unless we get bought over by some Conglomerate or Sultan – is an easy one for this bhoy.
Still optimistic Brendan will give uis lots of Euro cheer this year good windae or average one. HH
Tim Malone Will Tell on 9th August 2024 2:38 pm
Europa or conference league would be the level we should be able to compete at.
Moisey 17
You express concern about you or your views being criticised, ridiculed and treated with condescension.
You do so calling someone an arrogant Pr*ck, criticise the site as Tumbleweed, the CQN readership as a cult, with primary school name calling , who are sycophants and arse lickers.
Now you might try to justify this as entitled retaliation but……..
Is it not a language and an attitude you have used many times in your infrequent previous posts?
If so, where’s the consistency? Where’s the calling out when people with similar views to yours take the Über Celt approach of saying you are better Celtic supporters. There’s more than a hint of hypocrisy and one-eyed morality there.
We come from a community that suffered genuine hardship and rose above it with strength, resilience and a humble form of pride. We did not react like Shocked Maiden Aunts when face with a contrary view and we called out our own when they stepped out of line.
Modern Social Media is a very bitchy environment and Paul 67 and CQN get it in the neck more often than most sites. You will very rarely, but not never unfortunately, see sniping at other Social Media sites from posters on here. There are just too many good ones to get bothered by ones you dislike- that’s just crossing the road in order to take offence.
We are all concerned to get good transfer business done to aid the team. We all have ambitions to do better in Europe.
I could whine that I am being condescended to, insulted or having the piss taken right out of me when posters hint that only they have the ambition, or the will to accumulate (via speculation) or are the true rebel heart of Celtic (über-Celticness at its finest) but ma old da would just be laughing at me for getting angry and not using my head ( to argue the point not to head butt, I should add)
I think it’s high time the Celtic Bloggers asked Brendan Rogers if Idah is the only striker that he is pursuing, and are you looking for other additions, and why in your words it could be the end of August before there is new players coming to Celtic ,personally I find them comments coming from him very strange,
If the bored want to acheive europa progress all they need to do is , not back the manager in the transfer window, he then walks out, letting the huns win the league, we can go out early in both cups and let hearts and aberdeen top us in the league, selling matt and spending the money on bigger bonuses . then get put out the europa qualifiers, then we can have a march through the conference leage to get some ranking points and go all the way to the final in …………..
is that about it.
setting free the bears for Res. 12 & Oscar Knox on 9th August 2024 2:53 pm
at least your not being stalked.
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Bedwetting doesn’t come into it. Concern that we have one striker. At LB we have 2 young players who deserve a chance, but we no longer have a young striker who can step up.
We NEED a striker maybe two. If we put all our eggs in one basket of Idah then we are riding for a fall.
We still have time but it is not infinite
More guff….
watching kin again,
what is the correct pronunciation if
Kinsella ?
Such a board apologist. Or is it board-apologist? Or just sycophant?
If we don’t think we’re getting value we should have moved on weeks ago.
There should he double figures of targets ready to act on and pre-screened. Why continue to haggle over our backup striker (we still need a development striker in the door)?
Move on. There should be no room for sentimentality.
As for the window as a whole, is it that the board think these things need to be sequential? Or are there just no other targets and we’ll see what’s available on the past day?
Or is it to save a few weeks wages?
Or they feel like if they can have a big splash at the end then that’s what counts?
the rags gossip.
Brighton & Hove Albion have now submitted a £25m-plus offer to Celtic for midfielder Matt O’Riley and have agreed deals to sell Facundo Buonanotte to Leicester City and Deniz Undav to Stuttgart to fund the purchase of the 23-year-old Denmark international. (HITC), external
Despite reports suggesting Facundo Buonanotte as a potential makeweight in the sale of fellow midfielder Matt O’Riley from Celtic to Brighton & Hove Albion, the 19-year-old Argentine is heading to Leicester City on a season-long loan. (Daily Mail), external
Celtic are one of the clubs who have inquired about signing on loan Liverpool winger Ben Doak, the 18-year-old who moved to Anfield from the Scottish champions in 2022, and they are also interested in the Premier League club’s 19-year-old midfielder, Bobby Clark, along with Rangers. (Paul Gorst via The Redmen TV), external
Both Celtic and Rangers are set to miss out on long-term target Tommy Conway as Bristol City’s 22-year-old Scotland striker is closing in on a £5m-plus transfer to Middlesbrough, with the clubs haggling over the structure of the fee. (The Scotsman), external
Former Celtic striker Frank McAvennie says he has been told by insiders that the Scottish champions hope to hijack Rangers’ bid to sign 21-year-old Manchester United midfielder Hannibal Mejbri. (TeamTalk)
Saint Stivs
There is every possibility that in future, we will get a crack at the new CL once in a blue moon. That is probably a good thing in my opinion, provided fans are willing to accept reality.
Tim Malone Will Tell on 9th August 2024 3:04 pm
fair point.
i think next years champions will be in the cl play off round, so gauranteed EL participation,
Back to approx £25m vs cl £40m this year.
But maybe with a better chance of progression.
where are the finals next year ?
kinse lu SS
no Kinse luh
the kinsleaas i know get called
Kin sella
“We should have had him on a buy out after his loan.Shocking business by Celtic,totally clueless”
Celtic have signed Adam Idah on loan from Norwich.
The vast majority of Celtic fans” Who?”
The vast majority on here,” Another panic signing,Championship player,who can’t get a game for a shit team like Norwich”.
Some of us have got memories.
Coatbridge,full of Kinsellas.
SFTB
Huge credit for your effort.
Sadly wasted I fear.
It’s like the clowns leaping up and down about all these boats coming over.
Folk want to rage against anyone and anything even although they are ignorant of any facts and have no idea what is involved.
Folk will make it up to suit their version of reality.
Turkeybhoy .
Are you ever back in Coatbridge ?
Anything good seems to have been in spite of lawwell and anything bad because of him.
What sad and ignorant nonsense gets spouted about the best 20 years in our clubs history. On and off the park.
I think it’s sad but really the malcontents should get up and go and get some other cause to angry with. Bringing down Celtic to the levels of a David Murray rangers is not happening any time soon. Not to suit the irresponsible and idiotic agendas of some ill informed bed wetting types.
Malone bhoy
Not sure the board really need sycophants. They are there but only a few with any real involvement executionally.
The club is run by its major shareholder and the ceo with some exec and management help delivers the strategy.
It’s pretty simple. Too simple for some. The idea of the manager working with a ceo and finance chief to deliver the transfer window within budget seems to be difficult for some to grasp.
Almost as ridiculous is that anyone benefits and wants to see big chunk of money not being utilised.
In a business where no one is taking anything out eg dividends or cash back then there is no benefit in stockpiling money.
Good afternoon CQN.
Quite a few ingredients to chew over on this one.
Posted earlier (by Saint Stivs I think)
‘Anthony Joseph on Celtic exchange said Norwish insisted there would be no “right to buy price” inserted’
Let’s assume that is true. If so, I’d like to know on what basis Celtic expected £6m to get a permanent deal done?
Hi Andrena/Tommy/Cloud9/Dobwin/jhb
We see you.
Jackie Mac
An interesting set of questions there.
It’s a struggle to apply Marxist analysis to the peculiar setting of a competitive football club.
Undoubtedly we have moved from the Edwardian era of ownership by Publicans or Merchants of modest wealth and are now “owned” by a billionaire, a Set of Hedge Fund reps or a combination of wealthy men with similar view points.
There never was an era of pure common man ownership. The Brother Walfrid initiative was soon taken over by the hard headed Capitalist viewpoint of men like John Glass when they saw the level of money to be made and looked after in this game. Even in the early amateur days of football, we were making payments and promises to attract players- Hibs complained about us stealing players from them by enticement. Players that Hibs had stolen from Muirkirk and elsewhere by enticement too. We weren’t a Charity Fund Raising club like Dukla Pumpherston for very long ; instead we became a Pub(lican’s) team.
Over the years Various replacement Boards, as dictated by early share holding, exploited the fan base and earned us the “O** F**m tag by seeming to agree to draw games for money raising replays. I have no idea if the Board members were guilty of this or if the players went along with it but I know we have had suspicions of the suits for well over a century.
Eventually, a particularly inept Board led us to near bankruptcy, a short time after our most successful European period too. That led us to Fergus and the promise of letting the fans “regain” ownership of the club by pursuing the chimera of Community ownership by the fans as we created a PLC. That was necessary and welcome because it saved us but it gave us a bigger hurdle to overcome in ever achieving fan ownership as fan share stakes got diluted by further share issue, to make fans views easier to ignore. The truth now is the only way you can regain fan control is by destroying the club you love by boycott and bankruptcy. Even then, when clubs are “fan owned” , like Motherwell once were, they look for money to become even more successful and the big money men move in. The only co-operative outcome of Fergus’s pitch to the fans was the name of the bank that replaced the vindictive Bank of Scotland that tried to kill us. But it has left us with a structure that is harder to overturn than the old Kelly/White Board were by Celts for Change.
I also cannot buy the shoehorning of the Fanbase into the role of Producers of Value (added or not). The Fanbase and the early Boards made it clear from 1988 onwards that we were aiming to be the best competitive club we could be. The fans responded to having a winning club and dropped off when they did not win regularly. This still happens today. The only counter-argument to this was our ability to attract big crowds in the 30s and 50s. I think there were 3 reasons for this- 1) It was a period of mass emigration from Ireland to Scotland looking for work and a hunger to seek representation via Celtic. 2) The post war hunger for entertainment that saw a return to mass football attendance and cinema going in the days before TV persuaded us to stay at home more. and 3) We always felt that success was just around the corner and events like the Empire Exhibition Trophy (1938) , Coronation Cup (1953) and the 7:1 game in 1957 fostered that belief but crowds did fall away in times of success famine. That is a provable and proven trend. Even the success created by Big Jock did not guarantee the consistent large crowds of the modern era. I was there with under 20,00 fans watching lower First Division teams visit CP.
So, I think the players do fall into the Producers/Value category as without them, we would not attend in such numbers.
Finally, I think it’s hard to portray the modern footballer as subject to Neo-serfdom. Since the necessary demise of indentured contracts that were broken by the Bosman ruling, moderate players are making a killing from the game that Superstars like Pele, Kinky & Best could only dream about. Some serfs. I’d apply for that job.
I think it’s hard to portray the fans as serfs because we are not subject to the threat of not being protected by the Knight (capitalist) classes if we opt out. We just lose access to Celtic football club as a live experience- many people get by without considering that a hole in their life at all. It’s more like drug dependency, I think. We get our high and our representation as a community via Celtic. We still feel that even though our Board members and many players do not live up to those values. We might like our drug to be a cleaner more organic product we can only influence the product or the marketing that accompanies it by not buying or buying a different brand. Well. I’m not interested in Cambuslang Rangers or Partick Thistle or East Kilbride so where do I go.
We are stuck with a plc or we destroy Celtic and start again, still subject to the same pressures that led to the creation of a plc Celtic in the first place. We like to sing “win lose or draw” but we have shown a historical strong preference for win and not so much for the losing. It doesn’t make us bad people but maybe just a bit dishonest at times.
In the end, neither the marxist analysis or my drug dependency analysis explains the football business completely. It’s a peculiar thing of its own. The best I can do just now is follow the advice of the desiderata and control what I can control and accept what I cannot change.
https://www.desiderata.com/desiderata.html
If Bosun to Stoke story is true this is good business achieved by a good process.
– Sign a prospect
– if he is physical enough, loan him to EFL
– Strengthen player profile
If we have confidence about our level as a big club it stands to reason to me that players not good enough for us are still worth several million pounds.
PS – I hope we’ve inserted a sell-on clause.
If Bosun improves his touch and speed of thought he could go higher still.
Best of luck young man.
Let’s assume that is true. If so, I’d like to know on what basis Celtic expected £6m to get a permanent deal done?
based on all the analytics we know are done, and having had the plaer on loan, the plc team put a value on him.
i think it is that simple.
i like the player, he had sme big good moments in a celtic jersey. i personally still would not pay £6m for him.
then again neither would i put that value on mioski or shankland,
and then then again, I thought Oh wasnt worth what we paid for him but GG was, and both get sold for more than we paid for them.
Unfashionable on here, but I do like us to get every thin dime of value from the transfers, what did ange say “dont get to like them too much”
Same for Matt, £25m and up i would cash in, player could be inured in training tomorrow.
and as a ps, i would not take doak on loan either, we have our own players needing development.
brings me around to another often chimed thing – should we play 6 or so development players in the league cup against hibs,
i say no.
but i would give the other new goalkeeper some game time.
Saint Stivs,
Why would you want to cash in on MOR. ?? Our team would be undoubtedly weaker as we hit the CL.
If we would reinvest the money, then yes. But we both know that will not happen.
HH.
A procession of wimps who love to bad-mouth Paul67 on a daily basis but can’t take one in return.
I see you too An tearmann.
Are you the arbiter of who post here ???
thanks sftb – needed that
‘We like to sing “win lose or draw” but we have shown a historical strong preference for win and not so much for the losing’ 😁
I’ll explore the ‘drug dependency’ idea (though on first reflex ‘opium for the masses ‘ springs to mind). I can’t shed Marxist models not because of the validity of Marxism but because I can’t make head nor tail of where we are now.
You watched celtic with 20 K , now we watch celtic with 50 K – very interesting!
Greenpinata on 9th August 2024 4:08 pm
I am thinking of it purely as a business.
£25m – 20% of our years revenues in one transaction (albeit probably paid in instalments).
Players are just assetts, that is what the sustainable profit model method does.
Whether it can be reinvested is another matter.
I am conviced a big infrastructure announcement will be made, more hospitality seats,
I was in the LL on sunday, the area at the back of the lower stand could be redevopled to mirror the JS.
A lounge and more dark green padded seats.
For the last 3 seasons, we lost 3 matches each time.
I hear call ins and posters demanding “an invincibles” season, that is a once in a hundred years event.
We are more likely to lose another 3.
Which 3 can we take > Who could beat the celts.
Purely statistically it is a likely to happen,
so …………
we will lose once to brer hun, once away at either hearts, killie or hibs and a shock home loss to somebody we expected to beat handsomely.
we will also play poorly on bad pitches in the middle of the winter,
and struggle with the number of games in europe.
all because the left back is too wee to defend back post headers.
strap in fearties.