Can there be any surprise at tonight’s news that police are now investigating alleged harassment of members of the SFA Judicial Panel? On the way home tonight I almost drove off the road when I heard Scotsman journalist, Tom English, on Radio Scotland tell us Rangers knew who sat on the judicial panel a day before Ally McCoist demanded to know who they were on Rangers TV.
Now the SFA inform us the panel members’ identities have been “compromised”. There was no suggestion their identities were hidden until McCoist fanned the flames on Tuesday, these individuals were not subject to a witch hunt or harrassment. The Association added “all three panel members have reported intrusion into their personal and work lives, including abusive and threatening communication.”
In Scotland we now have an Offensive Behaviour and Threatening Communications Act. The Act criminalises “behaviour likely to lead to public disorder which expresses or incites hatred”. We’ll now see how the law works in this country.
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This is doing the rounds on SMS, so apologies if it’s already been seen here:
There’s a 90 minute video, that is well worth watching, which tells the whole sorry story of of Rangers FC(IA) ended up £134 million in debt……………….
It’s called “Celtic versus Inter Milan, 25th May 1967”.
CHASING THEIR DREAM IS FOREVER OUR REALITY!
Hail! Hail!
“In light of the transfer embargo placed on Rangers by the Scottish Football Association, fans of the Ibrox side are in uproar.
Posters on internet forums have suggested actions ranging from boycotting companies associated with the SFA to staging a protest at Hampden during the Scottish Cup final.
These actions – alongside some other altogether more unsavoury threats – serve to demonstrate the feeling among many Rangers fans that the SFA and Scottish Premier League are pursuing an agenda as their club seeks to stave off financial ruin.
New financial fair play proposals, which would mean a newco club would have 10 points deducted in its first two seasons, and 75% of any television revenue withdrawn, have been met with similar outrage.
Yet they should consider the very notion of a new Rangers being allowed re-entry to the SPL. Would such proposals be on the table if – as is far from outwith the realms of possibility – a club such as Kilmarnock or Dundee United faced a similar threat? Would Motherwell or St Mirren be allowed to enter liquidation and then take their place at the top table of Scottish football the very next season? One would imagine not, given the fate of Gretna, liquidated four years ago and now competing as Gretna 2008 against the likes of Edinburgh University and Civil Service Strollers.
Nor are the howls of indignation from Govan likely to be met with much sympathy at Livingston, the club having been demoted to the third division in 2009 for breaching insolvency rules.
Years of mismanagement at Rangers are not the fault of the Ibrox fans – but nor was that the case at Gretna, Livingston or Clydebank.
Rangers fans would do well to consider the likely sanctions had the boot been on a less illustrious foot.
n Re “McCoist fury at Rangers sanctions” (The Herald, April 25), Alastair McCoist must be aware that Rangers FC have broken every rule in the book. This is a club that has ‘won’ several cups and titles by using taxpayers’ money. I have little doubt that had any other club behaved in such a manner, the SFA would have imposed similar sanctions. It is gratifying that the SFA, despite the anticipated pressure, have not made special exemptions.”
The Herald talks sense. WTF is going on?
Tom English likewise in the Hootsman!
Now let’e hear from Vincent Lunny!
Have a fine day good people of Celtic!
HH
Great article by CH 4’s AT just published.
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/21st-century-rules-applied-rangers/1302
Location- work
time- this morn
Bluenose brings me in an old Celtic dvd,young hun pipes up,
“whitzzatcrap” I of course replied “after this season,if you want
to see info on the ragers,you will need to go to Mitchell library,
look up history section”
ROONYEDAFTIE
Rangers manager Ally McCoist says he is disgusted by threats made against the Scottish FA panel that handed out punishments to the club.
Police have advised the panel members after their identities were revealed.
McCoist had sought the identity of the three men after a 12-month transfer ban was imposed on Rangers.
“I would not for one moment want anyone to interpret my remarks as a signal to engage in any form of threatening behaviour,” said McCoist.
“Such activity disgusts me and anyone who engages in it does Rangers Football Club nothing but harm. No Rangers supporter should get themselves involved in it – not now nor at any time.
“Our focus has got to be firmly on ensuring that the club’s case in appealing the sanctions imposed on us is put forward robustly and in the appropriate manner.”
Thommo’s blog on McMoist today is hard hitting, can’t seem to do the link thing!!
Tom English: ‘An overload of emotion from melodramatic McCoist’ Rangers manager Ally McCoist
Published on Thursday 26 April 2012 01:33
SO WHERE are we at with the Rangers supporters’ battle plan in the wake of the SFA bombshell of Monday night?
A protest outside Hampden at the weekend. Another protest outside Hampden on cup final day. An anti-SFA banner hung from a low-flying aeroplane. Letters to MPs, letters to Alex Salmond, letters to David Cameron. A boycott of away games. A boycott of Scotland games. Does your company have links with the SFA? End it. Does your child have a Scotland jersey? Get if off his chest and post it back to Hampden.
What else? Sanctions against SFA sponsors. So, no milk from Robert Wiseman dairies, no motors from Vauxhall, no McDonalds, no Big Macs for the big man outside the “big hoose” that must stay open. No trainers from Greaves Sports, no specs from Specsavers, no Mars bars, no Adidas, no Thomson holidays and for the love of God no punting with William Hill. Cancel Sky and ESPN subscriptions, sue the SFA and Uefa, pack the bags and abandon Scotland, move south and embrace the football league.
Rangers fans are busying themselves with their response to the SFA after the transfer ban imposed on them for the sins of the Craig Whyte era. Bans, boycotts, protests, all understandable. But things are getting incendiary out there. Already the names of the three-man independent tribunal who sat in judgment on the case are known. Already there has been an allegation of a threat against one of them. Rangers fans say they have a right to know who has passed such a swingeing sentence on the club and in normal societies that wouldn’t be a problem, but it is here. The reason these guys are anonymous is because Glasgow football attracts some bad people and when these bad people are riled there is no telling what they’ll do.
Actually, there is. They’ll publish their names and addresses and phone numbers and photographs on the internet. They’ll intimidate and threaten. In extreme cases they might even parcel-up some bombs and send them to the objects of their twisted imagination. We know how combustible things can become. We know how it is. Anonymity is important. Every single club, including Rangers, signed up to this. It’s the way it has to be.
Ally McCoist knows the dangers of inflammatory words, but he lost the run of himself when interviewed by Rangers TV on Tuesday. He forgot the power he has to influence people when voicing his anger at the tribunal’s decision. Passion is one thing, but an overload of emotion is another and that is what McCoist displayed when demanding that the three-man committee be named. It sparked a witch-hunt, it cranked up the tension and the fury over these three guys and their decision that could “kill our football club”.
“Make no mistake about it,” said the Rangers manager. “This panel is not totally to blame for the death of our football club if it happens but this particular decision could kill our football club.”
So the Hampden Three were born. And yesterday the pursuit of them was intense and objectionable. Let’s be clear, the sentence imposed on Rangers was a big one, but then they were found guilty of big offences. There are two schools of thought in this. The first is the Rangers point of view, as articulated by McCoist, Duff & Phelps and the club’s supporters up and down the land. It is the notion that they are being hammered for the crimes of a past administration (Whyte) and they will be driven into liquidation if there is not a little understanding of their plight on the part of the authorities, an acceptance that an entire club should not be held accountable to such a profound extent for the actions of one rogue.
That’s an argument we might equally apply to Rangers in their dealings with Whyte’s former lawyers, Collyer Bristow, the firm that acted for Whyte throughout his takeover of the club. The Rangers administrators are suing Collyer Bristow for £25m because of the alleged actions of Gary Withey, formerly a partner in the firm and the key lawyer in Whyte’s team during the negotiations to buy Rangers. When it comes to court what would Rangers think if Collyer Bristow were to stand up and say, ‘It’s not right that our whole firm should be held accountable for the actions of one man who is no longer with the company?’ No doubt Rangers would not accept that point of view, but it’s the precise point of view they are articulating in regard to the SFA’s 12-month transfer ban. It’s called corporate responsibility.
The second school of thought is illustrated by the Hampden Three who clearly felt that Rangers could not legitimately separate themselves from Whyte when it came to judgment day. It was an understandable conclusion to come to. They didn’t have much truck with the possible repercussions of their decision and that was fair enough, too.
Rangers wanted the tribunal to factor-in all sorts of external issues that really didn’t have anything to do with the specific rights or wrongs of the case they were asked to deal with. It was like a guilty man awaiting sentencing entering a plea for leniency on the basis that his life might fall apart if the judge goes heavy on him. Emotionally, it might sound good, but it shouldn’t really have any bearing on the punishment meted out.
The administrators wanted cognisance taken of the bidding process and the delicate nature of it. They wanted the tribunal to think about how a negative verdict might influence not just the sale and the future of the club but the future of several other clubs and the SPL as a whole. The whole shooting match might collapse. Sky might walk away. ESPN might disappear. The cash-strapped clubs who live a hand-to-mouth existence in the SPL might go bust. All this stuff, though, has actually nothing to do with the Hampden Three. They shouldn’t have, and clearly didn’t, consider the ‘what if’ scenario as they decided on their sanctions.
They were charged with adjudicating on the facts of a specific case, not on what might happen post-adjudication, and they did it. Everything else, all the external issues and all the noise, had to be irrelevant to them.
McCoist went to town on them. He got melodramatic. He spoke of the transfer ban and the possible death of the club, his assessment presumably based on a view that the remaining bidders would be spooked and would run away thereby leaving liquidation as the only option. There is no evidence that the transfer ban will have that impact at all. It’s another mountain to climb, for sure. It complicates things even further. It’ll certainly delay matters if the ban is upheld on appeal. But it’s not the death knell. It’s not even guaranteed to stand once the appeal is heard.
The Rangers manager and the fans of the club want to be purged of the memory of Craig Whyte, but it’s not so easy. He did what he did in Rangers’ name – and, however hard that might be to stomach, there is a price to be paid for it. It’s McCoist’s right, and duty, to protest at what has become of his football club, but he should pick his target and choose his words a bit better than he did on Tuesday evening.
JJ
estorilbhoy
Another fine contribution by AT.
Just wish he would compare the relative treatment of the 2 managers but, hey, you cant have everything in life.
I suppose this would happen elsewhere ie that another journalist would build on AT’s good work by doing this!
notholdingmybreath CFC
We’re back!
Morning all.
Thommo’s blog today is indeed a cracker. I see that it has already been linked, but it’s worth doing again :-)
Thommo’s blog
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/21st-century-rules-applied-rangers/1302
IN THE 21ST CENTURY RULES APPLY – EVEN TO RANGERS
Thursday 26 April 2012 9:03 am
I’ve waited a day or two to write this. And I write on the train from Amsterdam to The Hague to witness the first ever head of state receiving sentence for war crimes.
So everything’s relative. Even Rangers…
And from outwith Glasgow the perspective’s glaring.
Faced with a judicial process at the Scottish Football Association and a due appeal process (active now) to be heard before a retired judge or QC – faced with all that, what does the Rangers manager Ally McCoist do?
Bide his time? Seek appeal advice? Reserve comment on an obviously sub-judicial procedure?
No – he suddenly demands on Rangers TV on Tuesday that the Scottish Football Association panel which imposed a 12 month ban on the club buying players be identified in public.
As an act of such irresponsibility in the current climate beggars belief. Like so many in this drama Mr McCoist goes “public” in an environment where I doubt he’ll never be properly questioned.
Far from letting due process happen and preparing the case for appeal, Mr McCoist chooses a lynch mob approach potentially putting the safety of these people at risk.
It’s an action redolent of the lack of reality, prudence, judgement and moral decency which has characterised so much of a club that’s brought the game into deep disrepute. Moreover, some might observe that Mr McCoist’s inflammatory tantrum is in itself likely to bring the club and himself into disrepute.
Will Mr McCoist be equally “public” in facing up to the responsibility of what he’s done? Given the cowardice of his initial act, you have to say it’s doubtful.
Mr McCoist and Rangers need another reminder that even Glasgow football is
now living in the 21st century. Rules get applied – even to Rangers. Outside Glasgow football where else would anyone in normal public life question the independence of the panel as he did – then call for them to he named for the mob? Yet the sheer and obvious outrage his actions should provoke raises little adverse comment in the city. No – so much attention remains focused on the astounding fact that a club that broke rules got punished. Doh!
Small wonder it leaves SFA chief executive saying the rules will be applied without fear or favour. But why should he have to? In any normal world this is a given and accepted. In Glasgow football the man imposing the rules has to say he’ll do his job as if it’s news.
Meanwhile, if I get time in the small matter of a war crimes court, I shall ask the SFA if they intend charging Ally McCoist with bringing the game into dispute for questioning the SFA’s motives, independence and arguably, putting the safety of its independent panel at risk.
Meanwhile… Charles Taylor… Sierra Leone… mass rape… child soldiers… death by machete… and a city and a court where yes, they apply the rules without fear or favour and they don’t feel the need to say so.
Follow Alex on Twitter @alextomo
I’ve waited a day or two to write this. And I write on the train from Amsterdam to The Hague to witness the first ever head of state receiving sentence for war crimes.
So everything’s relative. Even Rangers…
And from outwith Glasgow the perspective’s glaring.
Faced with a judicial process at the Scottish Football Association and a due appeal process (active now) to be heard before a retired judge or QC – faced with all that, what does the Rangers manager Ally McCoist do?
Bide his time? Seek appeal advice? Reserve comment on an obviously sub-judicial procedure?
No – he suddenly demands on Rangers TV on Tuesday that the Scottish Football Association panel which imposed a 12 month ban on the club buying players be identified in public.
As an act of such irresponsibility in the current climate beggars belief. Like so many in this drama Mr McCoist goes “public” in an environment where I doubt he’ll never be properly questioned.
Far from letting due process happen and preparing the case for appeal, Mr McCoist chooses a lynch mob approach potentially putting the safety of these people at risk.
It’s an action redolent of the lack of reality, prudence, judgement and moral decency which has characterised so much of a club that’s brought the game into deep disrepute. Moreover, some might observe that Mr McCoist’s inflammatory tantrum is in itself likely to bring the club and himself into disrepute.
Will Mr McCoist be equally “public” in facing up to the responsibility of what he’s done? Given the cowardice of his initial act, you have to say it’s doubtful.
Mr McCoist and Rangers need another reminder that even Glasgow football is now living in the 21st century. Rules get applied – even to Rangers. Outside Glasgow football where else would anyone in normal public life question the independence of the panel as he did – then call for them to he named for the mob? Yet the sheer and obvious outrage his actions should provoke raises little adverse comment in the city. No – so much attention remains focused on the astounding fact that a club that broke rules got punished. Doh!
Small wonder it leaves SFA chief executive saying the rules will be applied without fear or favour. But why should he have to? In any normal world this is a given and accepted. In Glasgow football the man imposing the rules has to say he’ll do his job as if it’s news.
Meanwhile, if I get time in the small matter of a war crimes court, I shall ask the SFA if they intend charging Ally McCoist with bringing the game into dispute for questioning the SFA’s motives, independence and arguably, putting the safety of its independent panel at risk.
Meanwhile… Charles Taylor… Sierra Leone… mass rape… child soldiers… death by machete… and a city and a court where yes, they apply the rules without fear or favour and they don’t feel the need to say so.
Link to Alex Thomson blog…he doesnt miss the wee reptile
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/
This was the response I attempted to make re Alex Thomson`s Blog:
“Alex,
A hard hiiting article. My only concern is your references to ” Glasgow Football”. Believe me, this is not about ” Glasgaow Football”, this is about Rangers. Cltic, Clyde,Partick Thistle and Queen Park managers would be very heavily criticised had they behaved in the same manner as McCoist. The media response to any misdemeanours by the Celtic manager, Neil Lennon, offers all the evidence needed to support my view.
James A Barr”
JJ
Jungle Jim on 26 April, 2012 at 09:18 said:
Tom English: ‘An overload of emotion from melodramatic McCoist’ Rangers manager Ally McCoist
…………
I read that earlier and thought it had been taken from Paul67 articles yesterday.
Good see they are using CQN rather than Admin FC press releases
Thanks ghuys
I think 24 links and 3 copies will do!
HH
Just read the Alex Thommo blog. Hard hitting and straight to the point. McCoist should not have said a word as he obviously knows that the maniac fringe of the RFC(IA) support hang on his every word. His insistance to name names was the starting gun for these low lives to take matters into their own hands.
McCoist knew exactly what he was doing IMO, he has been quite calculating in what he has said and done. Thoirw in the grenade and stand back to see what happens.
God forbid any of the guys named is actually physically harmed, if so McCoist will have the finger of blame squarely pointed at him, I hope he can live with any consequences that his words might bring..
And the MSM still insist Scotland needs this vile organisation ?
Maybe one good thing to come out of all this is that any chance they had of getting off with the appeal has now all but evaporated. There is no way the SFA appeals tribunal will be able to lessen the penalty now, if they do, it leaves them open to every future decison being changed by anyone who decides to threaten and intimidate them.
The country will be a better place once they are dead and gone.
It’s instructive that the go to guy in the mainstream media on this matter is an English journalist working for a UK wide broadcaster.
Why is that?
Season Ticket renewals now on-line. Price increase. Does that mean they will remain in SPL?
£609 for SPL is a scandalous amount of money for 3rd rate quality of football, especially in times of financial hardship for most.
£32 per game for SPL + a CL qualifier.
Alex Thomson’s blog
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/21st-century-rules-applied-rangers/1302
Give the guy the clicks for lines like this…
“It’s an action redolent of the lack of reality, prudence, judgement and moral decency which has characterised so much of a club that’s brought the game into deep disrepute.”
I am totally scunnered by these sad sick individuals and the club they associate themselves with!
Please God send them back to hell from whence they came.
VP,
Wiz the young hun ‘odd bod’ ,per chance!.
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 26 April, 2012 at 00:34 said
many thanks , saved to favourites. Google is a useful wee thing is it not? my parish priest quoting Oscar Hammerstien ??
apologies if already posted….
AlexTomo also tweeting that despite what Forsyth may say in The Telegraph, Strathclyde police have not dropped their investigation into the threats he received. He says Forsyth would have known this if he had bothered to check with himself or the investigating officer.
McCoist: “This panel is not totally to blame for the death of our football club if it happens but …..”
Breath-taking. This man and his ilk can only be described as sociopaths.
Mountblow Tim
Paul thanks for all your help
Good morning CQN’s from cold but windy Clydebank
First time poster
McCoist reminds me a bit of Ian Paisly . Preach hatred and incite the lunatic elements then step back wash your hands of the consequences saying he doesnt condone violence.
Jungle Jim on 26 April, 2012 at 09:18 said:
I like the term ‘remaining bidders’. There are no remaining bidders for Rangers. Cloud-cuckoo land.
super arsehole
mind that song
he is
Starry Plough…just for you…
I’ve waited a day or two to write this. And I write on the train from Amsterdam to The Hague to witness the first ever head of state receiving sentence for war crimes.
So everything’s relative. Even Rangers…
And from outwith Glasgow the perspective’s glaring.
Faced with a judicial process at the Scottish Football Association and a due appeal process (active now) to be heard before a retired judge or QC – faced with all that, what does the Rangers manager Ally McCoist do?
Bide his time? Seek appeal advice? Reserve comment on an obviously sub-judicial procedure?
No – he suddenly demands on Rangers TV on Tuesday that the Scottish Football Association panel which imposed a 12 month ban on the club buying players be identified in public.
As an act of such irresponsibility in the current climate beggars belief. Like so many in this drama Mr McCoist goes “public” in an environment where I doubt he’ll never be properly questioned.
Far from letting due process happen and preparing the case for appeal, Mr McCoist chooses a lynch mob approach potentially putting the safety of these people at risk.
It’s an action redolent of the lack of reality, prudence, judgement and moral decency which has characterised so much of a club that’s brought the game into deep disrepute. Moreover, some might observe that Mr McCoist’s inflammatory tantrum is in itself likely to bring the club and himself into disrepute.
Will Mr McCoist be equally “public” in facing up to the responsibility of what he’s done? Given the cowardice of his initial act, you have to say it’s doubtful.
Mr McCoist and Rangers need another reminder that even Glasgow football is now living in the 21st century. Rules get applied – even to Rangers. Outside Glasgow football where else would anyone in normal public life question the independence of the panel as he did – then call for them to he named for the mob? Yet the sheer and obvious outrage his actions should provoke raises little adverse comment in the city. No – so much attention remains focused on the astounding fact that a club that broke rules got punished. Doh!
Small wonder it leaves SFA chief executive saying the rules will be applied without fear or favour. But why should he have to? In any normal world this is a given and accepted. In Glasgow football the man imposing the rules has to say he’ll do his job as if it’s news.
Meanwhile, if I get time in the small matter of a war crimes court, I shall ask the SFA if they intend charging Ally McCoist with bringing the game into dispute for questioning the SFA’s motives, independence and arguably, putting the safety of its independent panel at risk.
Meanwhile… Charles Taylor… Sierra Leone… mass rape… child soldiers… death by machete… and a city and a court where yes, they apply the rules without fear or favour and they don’t feel the need to say so.
a rwitter from RTC this morning said it best.
” Sport does not build character, it reveals it. ”
” Under duress many Scottish football and media figures are revealing their true selves”
Well said RTC, again.
p
Mornin CQNrs,
Lets hope that the sun shines over the weekend and that we can get to see the Celtic play well and entertain the support. There is some great football being played and should be an inspiration.
Only in Scotland.
BBC Scotland reported on the threats to the panel and finished the piece with quoting wee baw face McCoist as saying he condemned the behaviour of those he publicly encouraged !
McCooist purports to be a sensible and wizened person, however it is clear that he has never properly reflected on a real matter in his life and prefers to stay in the stupor so aptly described by Ernie,
ernie lynch on 26 April, 2012 at 09:27 said:
It’s an action redolent of the lack of reality, prudence, judgement and moral decency which has characterised so much of a club that’s brought the game into deep disrepute.
HH
Top of the morning to you all from a changeable Fife where the sun is shining between the showers.
Talking of showers it seems as if that shower across the city have messed up again and their friends in the police don’t seem to be half as thorough in dealing with crime. Except when it comes from 16-year old Celtic fans chanting up the RA.
So Alex Thomson reckons the police are still investigating threats against him while Roddy Forsyth in the Telegraph reckons the complaint has been binned.
In fairness to Forsyth he may have inside information from his brethren in the police and it could be there is a delay in the police writing up the results of their investigation into threats made against Alex Thomson as the final draft report was given to Assistant Chief Constable, Campbell Corrigan to type up.
So far the report reads: fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj f fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj fj
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsgKS2CJueU
Ernie
Hope you dont mind me supplementing your question:
Why hasn’t our publicly funded impartial(?) broadcaster contributed a scintilla of what AT has over such a small period of time (Mark Daly on Whytey boy excepted)?
HH
celticinthesun on 26 April, 2012 at 09:34
said:
Alex Thomson’s blog
Thanks for posting that link. He presents a cogent argument. One I fear could never be written by a Scottish msm member.
I am now even more scunnered by this wholly sad, sick lot.
SFA compliance officer Vincent Lunny, who has been so quick to write repeatedly to Neil Lennon for what are comparatively minor remarks regarding SFA’s sacred referees, should be on McCoist’s case for his outrageous and potentially dangereous outburst.
Should be … but will he?
And if not … why not?
teabhoy on 26 April, 2012 at 09:37 said:
VP,
Wiz the young hun ‘odd bod’ ,per chance!.
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Funny you should say that,I was calling him that a few weeks
when he needed a hair cut.:O)
What I find remarkable is that it took so long for someone with the calibre of Alex Thomson to get his teeth into the appalling, dreadful, contemptible, wicked, shameful, disgraceful, vile, loathsome monstrous atrocity that is Glasgow Rangers.
Surely this story has been there for decades yet, John Pilger, John Simpson, Martin Bell, Kate Aide…Where were you all these years?
teabhoy
Got you now big fella :O)
Odd bod not happy.