Scottish Premier League chief executive, Neil Doncaster, yesterday told the BBC that no provision existed for a liquidated SPL club to reconvene as a Newco FC at the bottom of the Scottish Football League (reported at 1821 on their crisis timeline).
This is being grossly misreported to suggest that the only opportunity for a Rangers Newco to phoenix is to slip straight back into the SPL – completely and utterly untrue.
There is also no provision for a Newco FC to slip into the SPL. Newco FC would be able to apply for membership to the Scottish Football League (where they would unquestionably be accepted) or the Scottish Premier League.
The default position when a club goes out of business in the Scottish Premier League is that the club that finishes bottom of the league at the end of the season escapes relegation. As things stand, Dunfermline would remain an SPL club and Ross County would be promoted.
No moral, legal or football administrative argument has been made to suggest that Dunfermline will be relegated to allow a new club entry into the league. None whatsoever. Dunfermline Athletic will remain a SPL club if Rangers are liquidated.
The various parties seeking to phoenix Rangers would get the lawyers onto securing a stadium, scouting some part-timers, buying a ticketing system, applying for entry into the Scottish Football League and finding cash to employ stadium stewarding. This could take weeks but is more likely to take months or even years.
Football needs to get used to this idea.
Neil Doncaster did not suggest a Newco FC applying for entry into the SPL had any primacy over an application to the SFL. In fact, an application to the SFL would not have to overcome the unfortunate objections of Dunfermline Athletic – who pay their BBC licence fee and are worthy of due respect.
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“For all that, the SPL won’t – can’t – turn its collective back on the new Rangers because it cannot turn away the business. The Ibrox following – 50,000 paying customers a home game – won’t slice their loyalties and follow on elsewhere.”
Chico what colour is the sky on your planet, you desperate desperate clown…
What’s it like to live on your knees constantly and always back the bad guys??
If it’s not a matter of sporting integrity just what is it then Chico?
Cash is King no matter what underhands practices bring that cash in..
Dear God is there no end to this sniveling drivel??
SP who thinks sporting integrity actually matters in the game of football..
philvisreturns on 8 March, 2012 at 07:28 said:
Philvis how very dare you, wash your mouth out with soap, it was in the Daily Record that the man’s wealth was off the radar.
Naughty step for you Bhoy!!!
SP
Could not sleep thinking about all this, wake up to find James Forrest has started a thread which is compatible with the thoughts I now have.
WHAT IF….. this was D Murray’s plan all along and Wnyte is just a paid pawn in his game.
WHAT IF…..other pawns have been placed at various locations like written press, radio and tv and possibly set up web sites to “help along” the plan
WHAT IF…. people like ex directors all were given thier script and told exactly when to enter the play
WHAT IF….. he (murray) knew r*angers were in too deep and he had to plot something like this, accepting that to suffer some pain (exclussion from Europe for 3 seasons and lose of club history) would be better that paying millions to Hector
WHAT IF….. his ONLY gamble is that his horrid team is accepted straight back into the SPl, and that gamble may even have had the way straightened before the plan is put into play.
I am not saying I am right (God knows I hope I am wrong) but some things need to be asked…
Why the silence from Murray? Why no proper fact finding from the media on Whyte prior to the takeover? Why now did D Adam whistleblow? Why now has D King said liquidation is inevitable? Why the delay from the administrators in laying off of players?
My feeling is that, if this is all of Murrays making then we can only hope that the SPL/SFA do the fair and propper thing but how confident of that are you/
SuperSutton
I spotted that too. I’m not sure creditors practise doublethink where money (large amounts or small) is involved.
newco Rangers fans at Ibrox singing follow follow every other minute would be a dagger in the heart of every creditor were it suggested that newco Rangers is somehow completely separate from the old company.
but allowed to retain its history and its trophies
hmm not sure
john anthony on 8 March, 2012 at 07:40 said:
As an antidote to “what if land” I suggest you read the latest on RTC, it’s a long read but well worth it to cure a good dose of the What ifs…
Hail Hail
Starry
ASonOfDan on 8 March, 2012 at 07:12 said:
Morning, So it begins.
Sun calling for our game at ibrox to be cancelled on safety grounds.
why dont they just come out with it and say these barstewards are violent and will hurt people
Malorbhoy on 7 March, 2012 at 22:15 said:
Any one know the best way to Liverpool Airport from the M6 ,Junction 21 to M62 or The M58?
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6 of 1 and…! Either way will do. If you take M58, you need to join the M57 which you do at the end of the M58!
HH
Good morning from MK.
I can still smell the stench of hypocrisy from Ibroke this morning, when are we going to get some fresh air?
john anthony
Having kept his counsel for such a long time, Murray’s response to King was absurdly fast (although, admittedly, King did threaten to sue him).
My head is reeling with all this.
Die, die, die, die ya hun….!
Going to try and get some work done today. Some hope…!
However Rangers survive or are reinvented no one can escape a permanent and powerful change of mind about them, as these events are burned onto our souls – and it will be deeper for supporters, the doubts eating always eating away.
I know I’m nieve, but for me the unashamed lack of integrity that permeates every facet of this Rangers debacle leaves me staggered.
I still can’t get ovet the fact that they used EBTs at all, even if they are judged legal and without incurring penalty from HMRC. The sheer immorality of offering a scheme that allowed some of the best paid people in Scotland by a long way to avoid tax to such an overwhelming degree has completely passed them by. I have no problem with “tax efficiency” schemes etc but Rangers appear to have used EBTs with indiscriminate depth and to such a degree that crosses the line and elicits public disgust.
I am no fan of the Rangers players or of high salaries in football but the cowardice of the the administrators and the lack of integrity of what’s left of the custodians of Rangers is reflected in the present attempts either to blackmail or scapegoat the players. Once agin without any self awareness or criticism their actions are beyond the pale.
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It would appear that everyone involved in the demise of Rangers are running scared of acting decisively and upsetting the Rangers supporters, I hope they continue in this vein as it’s guaranteed to seal their demise sooner rather than later.
Mornin CQNrs,
Mixes morning in Glasgow, lovely early day sky and damp.
Hope this has not been posted but the intenicine war betweem Minty and King Mendacious continues to be fairly obvious in its scope.
The internet is brill. Sorry if its been posted before.
‘SDM retort to King Mendacious threat to sue for seed money of £20M !
“Throughout the period of his directorship, Dave King has attended and participated in regular board meetings, including those approving the annual audited accounts, received board papers quarterly, had full access to the executive management of the club, and been privy to the same detailed financial and commercial information as every other board member.
“In the event that he actually lodges a claim, we would vigorously defend it.”
“Murray Group fully intends to make further detailed press comment on the wider circumstances at Rangers Football Club once it considers this will not detract from or interfere with the difficult and delicate work of the administration. Source Daily Express
Suspect othewise a quiet day, coloured only by King Mendacious and Blu Knight in a dalliance over their new super plan for Newcon.
HH
Morning all from gay Paree, lovely sunny morning (10C max)
Like a lot of folk at the moment, my head is buzzing.
There is so much going on “concurrently” and still much to come.
My earliest memory of rANGERs dates back to to 1963, when I must have been nine. The Saurday cup final finished 1-1, and I remember thinking we had done well and we had every chance in the replay. The Auld Yins round about me tried to prepare me for the inevitable: “we’ll no’ be allowed a second chance – Warton will see to that.”
Celtic lost 3-0 and it was painful for me, as was the realization that the old bhoys knew something I didn’t.
Throughout the years since there has been pleasure and pain. That is part and parcel of being a fitba fan. However, a lot of the pain has been mixed with incomprehension and suspicion.
This morning I woke up with the thought:
“rANGERs could have played their last game”.
That, my friends, along with the knowledge that the suspicions were fully justified is a pleasure that will last a very long time.
Hail Hail
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
Morning…………………………………………………………………………..CQN
Another marvellous day in the Costa Blanca…………………………
And another great day to watch the baddys slip further into decline.
BigJoeheadingOOOOOTindaaaaaaaaaaaaBoat
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=8180&cpage=14#comment-1332945 Starry Plough
Thanks, Have read RTC’s new blog. But WHAT IF……”other pawns have been placed at varios locations like written press, radio and tv and possibly set up WEB SITES to help along the plan.
I know……but 40 years of paranoia dies hard, I think I trust RTC but I have this nagging doubt. I have read his blog from the start and if he/she is genuine may God bless them but as i say WHAT IF…..
PHILVIS RETURNS 0729
A billionaire? WHIT?
Get with the programme,me old son.
MONTHS ago,someone on here,I forget who,more accurately termed him a thousandaire!
You really must keep up,old boy…..
Morning folks, I am a long time reader but only an occasional contributer, but it seems to me that not too many folk are discussing the most important word in Paul Murray’s declaration the he is interested in buying them.
He says he will make a “conditional” offer to buy the club. Seems to me, as a lot of people have alluded to in various ways but not by focussing on the CONDITIONAL word, that the main condition he would want to try to put on any offer would be “I’m no payin’ fur the Big Tax Case” at which point negotiations would come to an end ’cause that can’t be part of the deal and we will have either liquidation or the sale of the first team. :)
Any Lawyers….. who would take the huns here?
Chancery
The Chancery Division of the High Court is presided over by The Chancellor of the High Court, with cases heard by 18 High Court judges. There is some overlap with the Queen’s Bench Division’s civil jurisdiction; however, certain matters are specifically assigned to the Chancery Division.
The principal business of the Chancery Division is:
corporate and personal insolvency disputes;
business, trade and industry disputes;
the enforcement of mortgages;
intellectual property matters, copyright and patents;
disputes relating to trust property; and
contentious probate (relating to wills and inheritance) actions.
Todays list of court business is here, Rangers are between Court 10 and Court 31 http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists/list-chancery-judges
Is this now a re branding of WATP to WWTP
How is the patient?
john anthony on 8 March, 2012 at 08:12 said:
When was it any different with pawns in place in the media??
This is nothing new. Same as it ever was.
“Matt Slater @mattslaterbbc Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Rangers crisis staggers to the Strand justice.gov.uk/courts/court-l… admins argue for £3.6m of #RFC cash. At least 4 others say it’s theirs
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Ooops looks like yesterdays ray of hope is not so bright after all!!
I personally believe they have no chance to avoid liquidation and I also believe that setting up a Newco for next season is going to prove to be a bridge to far for those Bluenoses out there who are still dreaming that this can be done easily.
Just my early morning thoughts, a lot still to happen before this thing plays itself out.
No mercy for Dundee Utd to change the subject a little.
How sweet would a treble be and what a bitter pill for those who hate us to swallow..
Hail Hail
Starry.
Larky Celt
That would imply that they were once the peeple, how about WWNTP
Roddy Forsyth on 5live sounding very sure that hmrc “will settle” with ragers as long as Craig whyte is completely out of the picture.
Let cheating dogs die
Lyruc
Just heard the FPLG say on snyde that all the players “Were singing from the same Hymn sheet” mmmmm
HH
I see some moron in the Sun is calling for the Jelly & Ice-Cream party / Wake on the 25th to be called off… on account of the Huns rioting. At least that’s what I’m inferring from the ‘article’.
“Call it off incase the gloating Celtic fans wind up those normally placid Rangers fans.”
Eh. Naw.
If we go there and win, nay STUFF ‘EM, whilst singing about having a party when they shrivel and die, and they choose to go bananas, then that’s their issue.
It’s like blaming someone shouldn’t bless themselves in case they get clubbed.
Bhoys, Does anyone have any idea where I might see this weekends game in Tangier?
Looking through the Nightshift posts and amongst the debate and conjecture was this gem:
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Saint Stivs on 8 March, 2012 at 01:03 said:
off to bed.
some serious conundrums for the nightshift..
were does the sun go at night ?
who built the pyramids ?
does anyone know a handsome hun ?
OLS
Hope the tax man calls the party off…
Pressure must be put on SFA / SPL to ensure that Rangers see out the current season. There is absolutely no reason that they cannot continue in administration until then. Reduced low cost squad, pay at the gate matches will easily deliver the income required to complete the stadium. If Ranger’s supporters are proved to be loyal they will turn up and pay at the gate to keep their club alive. Regan and Doncaster should be beating down the door of the administrators to ensure this outcome. Any situation that allows them to liquidate and see out the season, or failure to complete the fixtures will surely be the lack of leadership and management by this pair.
Where is Postman Pat with the big bill?
Come on now, no respite!
RIP Rangers FC: 1872 – 2012?
James Clancy, 8 March 2012
Rangers suffer further blows and the club appears to be on its last legs in its current guise.
Click for the betting on this weekends matches and claim your 40e free bet
Following the revelation that Administrators could not come to agreement re player’s wage reductions; it has been confirmed that there is “no realistic possibility” that the club could possibly play in the lucrative European club competitions next season, thus denying the club a vital revenue source. March 31st is the deadline by which the club must come out of administration to be eligible to play in Europe next season and administrator Paul Clark have stated: “This is simply not going to happen.”
The club with the most league titles in world football (54) now faces the very realistic possibility that they may not be able to finish the season. With administrators seeking to cut costs by £1million stg per month; players wanted their wages deferred until the end of the season, but Clark said that that would not be feasible: “Postponing payments is not an answer for the club because eventually those payments will have to be made.”
Administrators were called in on February 14th after British tax authorities went to court to seek payment of an unpaid bill of £9 million stg built up since Chairman Craig Whyte took control at Ibrox in May. Rangers are also awaiting the verdict of a tax tribunal that could leave them with a bill of up to £75 million stg, according to Whyte.
The club’s crisis has reached such a stage that unless a new buyer is found to take over the club and the growing debt before the end of the Scottish club season, the Gers will have to cease to trade as a business.
And I just cant get enough…………………………………………..
And I just cant get enough…………………………………………..
BigJoejustLOVINGit
Is the same Paul Murray who said that it made no sense for anyone to buy Rangers with the Big Tax Case hanging over the club.
Someone is full of mad dogs S****
A thread on FF says Roddy Forsyth claims HMRC will deal on the BTC if Whyte is removed. Apparently this approach is approved by The Treasury !!
hunbelievable
I reckon that there could be a wee bit of trouble after ibroke in a couple of weeks. I reckon that it could easily occur regardless of whether we win lose or draw or if the fans are gloating or otherwise. That aside I would love to be one of the fans inside ibroke!!
I do wonder if it would be better to allow only huns in at ibroke and only tims at paradise. (Of course we are not sure that they will last that long.) but if we let 7,000 of them into CP for their last game ever we can expect a little bit of stadium damage, after all they cannot be punished and have nothing to lose (no pun intended)
Anyway, before they disappear into blue abyss, I reckon we still owe them for the time when Murray locked us out of ibrox, (btw god bless john Collins and the guy with airplane banner) and now seems a fitting time and opportunity to repay that gesture.
monteblanco
It could be to do with the £3.6m they want from TicketUS
Mort
Why would they do a deal with Whyte out of the picture? It wasn’t his fault that the Orcs built up this debt!!
Smoke and mirrors are in play here atm!