Organisational indiscipline remains a concern

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Yesterday’s win at Fir Park was huge for Celtic’s season but we should caution against talk of a corner being turned.  The team possessed the resilience (and Irish magician) to come from behind and beat the team who were second in the league, but we have been here before.

The Motherwell goal will cause Neil Lennon particular concern.  After losing a goal to an early corner kick against Rennes on Thursday, it seems impossible to believe that the team switched off at another corner kick, but only Beram Kayal was alert to the threat of Motherwell taking a short corner, and he was already covering a threat.

Organisational discipline is as important as having better players to the outcome of many football games.

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  1. SydneyTim

     

     

    all about tactics

     

     

    We have been weak down the middle on big pitches but played 4-2-4. Sorted it vs Rennes with 3 in the middle.

     

     

    went to M’Well with same set up cos it worked last time. but narrow pitch and we needed to watch the wings, hence the corners.

     

     

    coaching as you go, not good coaches i’m afraid.

     

     

    a strong captain would rebel, but we have none as we rotate it.

     

     

    i loved burley when he went to the bench to ask barnes WTF in a UEFA game as no-one knew what to do.

     

     

    i also love Stokes taking the direct free on Sun. Who goes to the corner in that position? bad form Neil.

     

     

    We should play Stokes every game till Spring as he may be distracted around then

  2. Margaret McGill on

    Coneybhoy says:

     

    8 November, 2011 at 02:29

     

     

    Stokes + Samaras or Stokes + McCourt from kick off?

  3. Margaret

     

     

    Stokes/Hooper for me every time at home but to answer your question i would go Stokes/Samaras and bring on McCourt every time.

     

     

    In the SPL, Paddy will be hammerred at every turn. It is not to his demerit he is a super sub but the playing ethos.

     

     

    i watched on the telly yesterday and it was not the clean outs or the kick ot at Hoops that bothered me , it was the constant knee, elbow, kick, scrape on Celtic players which annoyed me.

     

     

    not major fouls or even that but designed (and i mean that ) to scare off or force a reaction.

     

     

    i always hate when someone stands on ma foot as it never(in 5s land) is a free but i lose control.

     

     

    same at big boys level and gary learned that in midweek when he spun off and kept clear on sun.

     

     

    good times ahead and i can’t wait for 26th(flight and hotel booked).

     

     

    hail hail

  4. Margaret McGill on

    Coneybhoy says:

     

    8 November, 2011 at 02:46

     

     

    Agreed. Spot on. Hooper and Commons are interchangeable I think this is one position that Lenny is experimenting. Not sure. IMHO Lenny definetely rates Samaras.

  5. Margaret

     

     

    I reckon Samaras has enough popularity to get the PM job back home!

     

     

    a good week , the Lucky Bunnet had a good night in ma seat on Thur, i saw a good win on TV and stained the shed(painted) before the frost so happy days.

     

     

    i was on here a bit pished last weekend and i said a win in midweek and 4-0 at murderwell .

     

     

    not far off

     

     

    ps i hate motherwell for the following reasons:-

     

     

    it is where the old west coast line used to break down on way up from england(so near to civilisation and yet so far- no Stones Bitter left and 100m from station)

     

     

    they won 4-2 in my first SC semi

     

     

    they attacked me at the end of the station on way to Kirkhill on same night(me and 2 other Celts survived vs 50 kids)

     

     

    because a jobsworth at work after the game kept asking if my Mother Was Well – he was made redundant later.( he was a storeman with a broken nose who always said ‘snae rekkurd’ to every request)

     

     

    and that

     

     

    to be honest i left Scotland in 93 and have never regretted it for variations on the above (mostly jobsworths)

     

     

    hail hail

  6. Margaret McGill on

    Many of us left the land of our birth for many reasons. No actually that’s not true. You will tend to find that many working class Scots who went to college/university just had to leave.

     

    Motherwell kickin lumps out of Celtic this weekend is all part of the Scottish culture. It pains me to hear some Tims saying that they should take it like men and roll their sleeves up etc. Its plain thuggery. Playing into their hands if Celtic retaliate. Not a peep from the

     

    Celtic bored after another disgraceful infliction of Celtic injuries. No wonder some of the players want to move on. Its their careers that’s on the line and no matter what Lenny does these players are not retarded and can plainly see what is going on. I have traveled far and wide and seen many different things experienced a great deal but Glasgow Celtic have been the one constant in my life. Just like you.

  7. Margaret

     

     

    as always, a concise, accurate and inspiring post!

     

     

    of to kip as work in 4.5 hours.

     

     

    hail hail

  8. Margaret

     

     

    Should you ever return you will find many, many working class Scots who attended colleg/university, are still here fighting the good fight.

     

     

    I’m proud of the people around me and what they’re achieving in their lives.

  9. Margaret McGill on

    hamiltontim says:

     

    8 November, 2011 at 03:31

     

    Apologies. that may have come across wrong. I am proud of you too. I meet so many Scots my age working in Germany, Sweden, Canada and USA. Products of Thatchers Scotland who had to leave out of simple survival. I know what you mean. The point I am trying to make is that their are a disproportionate number of Scots from my generation who are not in Scotland.

  10. Tom McLaughlin on

    Whyte D-day looms: Countdown to verdict on Rangers’ £49m tax case begins

     

     

    n Greechan – Daily Mail

     

     

    Rangers are entering one of the most critical periods in their history after the tax tribunal that could send the club tumbling into administration kicked off.

     

     

    The countdown has begun towards a verdict on HMRC’s £49million demand after the first-tier tribunal – a hearing involving tax experts appointed by the club and representatives from the government – was reconvened at an undisclosed location.

     

     

    No club officials or former employers were involved in the summit, which was dealing with technical issues of tax law. But the start of these proceedings brings to an end months of waiting for Rangers, who are in the dock over their past use of employee benefit trusts to pay part of players’ salaries – mainly during the big-spending years under previous owner Sir David Murray.

     

     

    HMRC are aggressively seeking to recoup £35m, as well as penalties of £14m, from the company now owned by Craig Whyte, who admits that the Ibrox club are in ‘crisis mode’ because of the outstanding demand.

     

     

    The government are pursuing Rangers strongly because they see this as a test case which, if won, will open the door for the tax man to recoup hundreds of millions of pounds from clubs who used a similar avoidance scheme.

     

     

    Should the verdict go against Rangers, it appears as if new owner Whyte will have no option but to put the club into administration, with the Motherwell-born businessman already having admitted: ‘It is one of the possibilities we’ve looked at, yes.

     

    ‘The choice, in terms of an adverse finding, is pretty obvious really.’

     

     

    Administration would see Ally McCoist’s team incur an automatic 10-point penalty, with more potential sporting punishments also open to the SPL, depending on the severity of the club’s situation.

     

     

    An HMRC spokesman warned that, while they would always try to help businesses struggling to pay tax for genuine reasons, they are vigorously pursuing those deemed to have avoided payment.

     

     

    He said: ‘There is little HMRC can do for a business whose viability is dependent on not paying UK taxes to which they are liable.’

     

     

    Sportsmail understands that the cost of the tribunal, which must be covered by the individual or business effectively appealing against their tax bill, is being footed by the Murray Group.

     

     

    It has also been suggested that former owner Murray may retain some liability in relation to the £49m bill, although Whyte – as majority shareholder – would bear the lion’s share of any costs.

     

     

    The meeting is likely to be just the beginning of the process, with three more days this week and one day next week set aside for arguments – and no deadline set for deliberations and decisions.

     

     

    Rangers initially hoped to win the case but may now be focusing on reducing their overall liability to something more manageable.

     

     

    Just last month, Whyte suggested that Rangers are unlikely to appeal any verdict, saying: ‘Rangers are in a crisis situation and we need finality. The club is paralysed right now.’

  11. Tom McLaughlin on

    An HMRC spokesman warned that, while they would always try to help businesses struggling to pay tax for genuine reasons, they are vigorously pursuing those deemed to have avoided payment. He said: ‘There is little HMRC can do for a business whose viability is dependent on not paying UK taxes to which they are liable.’

     

     

    This is the crucial point which must ensure that the SFA/SPL/Holyrood cannot be seen to be lending Rangers a helping hand when the lights go out down Ibrox way.

     

     

    In short – they brought it upon themselves.

  12. Margaret McGill on

    GCT says:

     

    8 November, 2011 at 03:47

     

     

    interesting paragraph

     

     

    “The government are pursuing Rangers strongly because they see this as a test case which, if won, will open the door for the tax man to recoup hundreds of millions of pounds from clubs who used a similar avoidance scheme. “

  13. Margaret

     

     

    Now that I’d agree with.

     

     

    I’m a simple person in the sense that by nature my instincts are led by emotion rather than statistics. Facts only tell you what they want to tell you. I see poverty every day, never mind the pedantics of abject or relative, it is poverty all the same, and it results in the dehumanisation of decent, honest people.

     

     

    I blame Thatcher.

     

     

    Now posters on here may well read this and say its emotive nonsense. They may pick holes in it by providing details of the good that she did in bringing the unions into line. They may claim that she provided opportunity for the poorer in society to scramble their way out of the situations they found themselves in.

     

     

    That’s bollocks. Thatcher destroyed socialism and by so doing she destroyed society. She espoused a culture of greed that permeates our lives to this day.

     

     

    Thatcher didn’t write the novel ‘1984’ but her policies have brought us to a place where the young of this country find more attraction in having their every waking moment examined than going to work and receiving a wee brown envelope at the end of the week in recognition of the contribution you have made to society.

     

     

    But we are still here fighting Margaret.

  14. Margaret McGill on

    To the Scottish Celtic supporters I once met:

     

     

    To the Unix sysadmin in Caracas

     

    To the barman in that hotel in Barbados

     

    To Tom from Lenzie in Sweden

     

    To the soccer coach at Ohio state

     

    To that genius that used to work in the European Space Agency

     

    That Tim from Glenrothes who paid my white skin tax at Don Muang

     

    ..thats just the top of the list

     

    Margaret Thatcher we thank you.

  15. Margaret McGill on

    ok since I havent been yellow carded

     

    and I have said “feenyin” in other posts.

     

    Can you say “feenyin” ?

     

    wtf criteria is being used to delete my posts?

     

    Can you say “cry tearyia”?

     

     

    too catholic? too scottish? too hun? too clever? too funny? too Lawwelly? too moderator of the church of Scotlandy?

     

    What? can you throw us a bone of some description? Just for future reference ken whit I mean likesy.

  16. Tom McLaughlin on

    Margaret –

     

     

    I went to the Army/Navy surplus store and asked if they had any of those camouflage jackets.

     

     

    The lady said she had two out the back.

     

     

    After 10 minutes she returned and said, “Sorry. I can’t find them.”

  17. tomtheleedstim on

    Vmhan – ftt started again yesterday. Three days allocated this ween and one next.

     

    Not sure how long after the tribunal closes before we get the verdict.

  18. Grim, cloudy lockdown over North Ayrshire this morning.

     

     

    Wonder if the Rangers goalkeeper lad will call Kenny McCaskill as a witness for the defence:

     

     

    “Fine, enthusiastic rendition by the young man, which added tremendously to everyone’s enjoyment…”

  19. Imatim and so is Neil Lennon on

    2010 Never Again

     

     

    Anyone know anything about this guy?

     

     

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2053028/SFA-appoint-war-crimes-prosecutor-lay-law.html

     

     

    Tough justice: SFA appoint war crimes prosecutor to lay down law

     

    By JOHN GREECHAN

     

    Last updated at 11:50 PM on 24th October 2011

     

     

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    The SFA have drafted in a former war crimes prosecutor to lay down the law to Scottish football’s bad boys.

     

    Vincent Lunny has been appointed as the governing body’s first full-time compliance officer following the chaotic events of last season when Hampden was bogged down with one contentious disciplinary issue after another.

     

     

    As part of the new fast-track process introduced by chief executive Stewart Regan at the start of this campaign, Lunny will have the power to punish players retrospectively for offences missed by referees.

     

     

    Clash: Neil Lennon and Ally McCoist squared up last season

     

    He will also decide which players, managers or club officials are hauled before the Hampden hierarchy for doing, or saying, something which breaches the association’s regulations.

     

     

    The SFA are clearly hoping the 38-year-old’s legal prowess, which has seen him work with the Crown Office, the Glasgow Procurator Fiscal’s office, the International Co-operation Unit in The Hague and the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, will help them deliver a more efficient and speedy resolution to disciplinary matters than was previously the case.

     

     

    Lunny said : ‘I am delighted to be taking on such an exciting and challenging role.

     

     

    Banned: Steven Naismith (right) was given a retrospective suspension

     

    ‘Having been impressed by the changes to the disciplinary procedures, I am looking forward to working in the unique environment of Scottish football.’

     

     

    Had the compliance officer post existed last season, he would have been expected to deal with the fallout from the so-called Old Firm ‘shame game’ in March, when three Rangers players were sent off in the Scottish Cup tie and managers Neil Lennon and Ally McCoist clashed on the touchline.

     

     

    Since the start of this season, the SFA have been working with a temporary compliance officer on secondment from a legal firm.

     

     

    The most high-profile cases so far have involved Rangers forward Steven Naismith, who was suspended for two matches after video footage showed him elbowing Austin McCann of Dunfermline, and Hibs striker Garry O’Connor, who was cleared of diving against St Johnstone after the Leith club appealed a two-match ban.

     

     

     

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2053028/SFA-appoint-war-crimes-prosecutor-lay-law.html#ixzz1d663WaG5

  20. ImaTim 7.43; Vincent Lunny ,new guy ay SFA practised at Levy&McRae before joining Fiscal Service in Glasgow,took up job in Hague war crimes trial unit for3 years.Uncle is a Sheriff,aged 38 he still plays fives and is a Mass going ex ST.Al