Other Scottish clubs would be better off if Celtic Park and Ibrox didn’t exist


There comes a time during any endeavour when you have to ask, is this worth all the hassle?  News revealed by Phil MacGiollabhain last week and swiftly picked up by the newspapers today that an SFA executive has had his life threatened for what some regard as holding a firm line on application of the game’s rules, are one of these occasions.

This is sport, it is not the struggle against apartheid.  It really, really, isn’t worth putting your life on the line for.

The SFA executive who received the threat has not been named but he will hopefully find a degree of fortitude in the face of such intimidation.  We have called for resignations from the SFA but not under these circumstances.  If the recipient of the threat continues to work as normal they should be commended for their bravery.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to put football back on solid ground but whatever our game looks like in future, it must take on a different face.  Ordinary football fans want their sport back, a sport where honesty and endeavour can be rewarded by success on the field.

That will have consequences for us.  Celtic are far too powerful for any other club in Scotland to genuinely compete.  35 of our 41 clubs figured out they can do without Rangers and 34 of them know they can do without Celtic too.

They should remind Sevco rules are there for a reason and tell Celtic to stop mumbling about finding another league to play in and go do something about it.  I could not be more convinced that every other club in Scotland would be better off if Celtic Park and Ibrox didn’t exist.

Question is, do the rest of the clubs have the balls to do something about it?  Is the ‘Arab Spring in Scottish football’ over, or does it still have another chapter?

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  1. tomtheleedstim on

    Anyone know what this is about from last night?


    Celtic 67Live




    So the story is Lawwell has a deal in place and ‘somewhere for Celtic to go’ should all not be sweetness and light with the SPL

  2. celticrollercoaster supporting wee Oscar on

    LiviBhoy on 26 July, 2012 at 01:21 said:


    We have a Bhoy! I’ve been greeting for an hour. Ran into the car park and done the Broony.


    I’m over the moon. The wife is knackered. Charlie is his name and he is a wee cracker. If watching Celtic is hard then what I watched my wife go through the last two days is nothing short of hell.


    A new Tim comes into the huddle and his name is Charlie Bhoy!








    Congrats LiviBhoy



    Cherish every day







  3. Philbhoy - It's just the beginning! on




    Fantastic news and welcome young Charlie!



    Best wishes to Mum and Dad too!

  4. Livibhoy,



    Congratulations to you and your wife, and best wishes to wee Charlie. Now you get to work overtime to buy annoyingly-loud toys and become a taxi driver to boot! Ye’ll love it.




  5. The Pantaloon Duck on

    Morning all



    Congratulations to Livibhoy and Mrs Livibhoy and a big welcome to Charlie!

  6. I am NL in NZ Tauranga on

    Congratulations Livibhoy and Mrs Livi and welcome to the world Charlie. You’ll never walk alone. Enjoy the rollercoaster ride mate.

  7. tomtheleedstim on 26 July, 2012 at 06:39 said:




    I hope all is not sweetness and light, they have been shafting us for many a year.


    Maybe what AT was alluding to before he was sacked?



  8. celticrollercoaster supporting wee Oscar on

    Some cracking posts on the nightshift





    Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 26 July, 2012 at 01:52 said:




    Oscar needs our spare pennies, Charlie and Livibhoy have my heartfelt wish they never even encounter the possibility.


    No tryin to put a downer on the great news, a baby bhoy born a couple of minutes ago is WOW


    hail hail Charliebhoy





    LiviBhoy on 26 July, 2012 at 02:01 said:


    Oscar in my prayers Canamalar.








    and the best one :-)



    tarrant on 26 July, 2012 at 02:47 said:


    AND it turns out that kitalba and Tom McLaughlin are the same person!






    So a warm welcome to wee Charliebhoy into Paradise and lets make sure we keep pushing for Wee Oscar to stay in Paradise. Our special Bhoys!!!







  9. celticrollercoaster supporting wee Oscar on

    Had a fine night out with Smashing Milk Bottles and our 2 main topics of conversations were the death of the huns and how we can help wee Oscar.



    Thinking about the latter (laughing about the former) and indeed thinking about Jude2005 comments today about the donations slowing down, we are thinking we need to think outside the box.



    So we need your help. Do you sit in block 403 to 408 at CP? If so, and you want to help, can you drop us an email asap at CQNbadges@gmail.com







  10. tomtheleedstim on

    Foxy_1888 – years since I heard that song.



    Vmhan – agreed. Can’t see PL having anything lined up though. It’d have leaked.

  11. Good morning all and especially to LiviBhoy from a dry and bright East Kilbride.



    Hi Ho




  12. tomtheleedstim on

    CRC -Funnily enough gave my kids a bottle full of change I have been saving for a year. It was funny watching them fighting and playing whilst counting it up last night. I got a text from the eldest later on telling me they were making a donation to wee Oscar’s fund. One of my three kids has disabilities so they know the score and I went to my bed proud that they see the bigger picture.

  13. Citibhoy Shoulder to Shoulder with Neil Lennon on

    Congratulations to Livibhoy and Ghirl and Carlos Uno! A game changer as they say ;-)

  14. Tom AT Spoke about a move at the Jersey CSC do, PaddyG was with him at the time, also mentioned a new sponsor who wasn’t on the radar at the time.



  15. Tom aye nothing doing for a season or two but our clubs future has to be outside Scotland, if only to lose the institutional bias against our club.





  16. Morning Europe and celts



    Sunny winter day in Perth Australia



    Congrats to livibhoy and family



    After thinking about paul67’s article


    For abit I’m thinking there must be more happening behind the scenes than we think regarding getting outta spl. I don’t think Paul would waste his time writing about it if there wasn’t.



    As much as I’d prefer to see Celtic play in a competitive Scottish league the chances of that while being able to challange in Europe are very slim .



    I would prefer England than a European league to be honest. Into div 3 and work our way up.



    Now where’s that centre half




  17. tomtheleedstim on

    Vmhan – must have missed PG’s post on that. What else did he say?


    I’ve been hearing about Guinness rumour for a while but heard nothing else.

  18. celticrollercoaster supporting wee Oscar on

    tomtheleedstim on 26 July, 2012 at 07:18 said:


    I agree, kids not only humble you, but equally make you proud.


    They also grow up too fast!!!



    Nice touch. Tell them thanks






  19. celticrollercoaster supporting wee Oscar on

    Bhoys & Ghirls



    I know already a number of you are saving their small change for Oscar.


    This part of the campaign concludes on 10th September and at that point you need to cash up that small change through whatever means i.e. Friendly bank manager (is there one? :-) ), coinmaster (they will take a slice though!!) etc and make your donation by 17th September via the following link






    A big HH and thanks for your support




  20. Morning all from gay Paree, chaud, chaud, chaud (33C max alledgedly)



    Tick, tock… time is running out for Green and Swally, will they be ready for Brechin?


    I’m pretty sure aul’ Campbell is desperate to rubber stamp the SFA membership papers, but Reagan and Dungcaster are still dragging their heels.



    Maybe they just don’t fancy giving the go-ahead for a new club called anything like “Rangers”.


    It seems that Hector disnae like phoenix clubs, and I don’t imagine Reagan and Co want to be involved in such a blatant sham.



    I reckon that having to drop “Rangers” in the name, would be more painful to them than losing past trophies…



    Oh, and a warm welcome to wee Charliebhoy to Paradise!

  21. 27.01.2011 – 9:39 PM | News | Source: BBC | von: JGi


    East Stirlingshire disqualified


    Third Division side East Stirlingshire have been expelled from the Scottish Cup after fielding goalkeeper Michael Andrews, who was ineligible in that competition, in their 1-0 win over Buckie Thistle in the fourth round. Buckie will now face Brechin.







  22. Craig beattie



    Anyone know him , or friends with a friend etc is he now training with his boyhood heroes ?



    He must be big bluenose if he’s willing to go to div3 and play for them. Ian black suits them so that one makes complete sense.




  23. Dunfermline booted out of Scottish Cup for breaking rules in 7-1 win over Stenhousemuir


    By SPORTSMAIL REPORTER UPDATED: 23:49, 14 January 2010




    Dunfermline were today sensationally kicked out of the Active Nation Scottish Cup for “a number of breaches” of competition rules in Saturday’s fourth-round thrashing of Stenhousemuir.


    A six-man Scottish Football Association emergency committee unanimously decided to expel the Pars from this season’s tournament following a meeting at Hampden Park.


    Dunfermline confirmed they would appeal the verdict, which denied them a lucrative potential fifth-round tie against Celtic.


    As it stands, Stenhousemuir have been reinstated into the competition and will face the winners of Morton v Celtic in the fifth round.


    The Pars were expected to face punishment for fielding an ineligible player in their 7-1 victory over Stenny at East End Park, with the SFA having previously ordered matches to be replayed for similar offences.


    But the club were found guilty of more than just introducing the suspended Calum Woods from the bench on Saturday.


    They were punished for further administrative errors, which stemmed from their failure to submit a teamsheet that included the mandatory two under-21 players.


    They also neglected to specify the ages of the players on their teamsheet, another breach of the rules.


    When this was pointed out to them prior to kick-off, they sought to replace one of their substitutes.


    However, any changes made to a teamsheet less than a hour before kick-off must result in that club’s quota of substitutes being reduced.


    Dunfermline did not do this, the last of a series of blunders which led to today’s verdict.


    The SFA said Dunfermline “admitted liability” in failing to acknowledge the suspension of Woods, whose ban carried over from last season’s semi-final against Falkirk.




    It was pointed out the club had received copies of the SFA’s official suspension list 26 times since, which included details of Woods’ suspension on each occasion.


    SFA chief executive Gordon Smith said: “While it is unfortunate that Dunfermline Athletic will no longer be participating in the Active Nation Scottish Cup, the emergency committee were left with no alternative after it emerged the club had breached several of the cup competition rules.


    “The integrity of the Active Nation Scottish Cup was paramount in the decision making process.”


    Confirming their appeal, which is set to be heard before the end of next week, Dunfermline said in a statement: “DAFC would, first and foremost, sincerely apologise to all their fans for this situation.


    “DAFC do believe however, that being expelled from The Active Nation Scottish Cup is excessive and do intend to appeal the SFA decision.”


    No one from the club was available for comment tonight but, speaking to his club’s official website, http://www.dafc.co.uk, earlier this week, Pars boss Jim McIntyre apologised for the Woods error.


    “We have made an administrative mistake that we hold our hands up for,” he said.


    “We are deeply sorry and would like to take this opportunity to apologise for embarrassing the club and supporters by this mistake.


    “When we did the checks online at the SFA website, the wrong page – Cup Cautions – has been checked. It was an honest mistake.


    “Obviously, this overshadows the team’s fantastic performance. It was a display that showed great attitude and seven splendid goals.


    “You can rest assured that nothing like this will ever happen again.”


    Dunfermline fan and Labour MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife John Park today insisted the tie should have been replayed, saying: “This appears to be a completely disproportionate sanction from the SFA.


    “I recognise there were a number of administrative errors made but it’s not as if the final result was close or the introduction Calum Woods had a material effect on the game – Dunfermline were 4-0 up at the time.


    “The people I feel most sorry for are the fans, who were looking forward to a possible cup tie against Celtic.”


    Brechin were ejected from the Scottish Cup in 2008 after fielding two ineligible players in a victory over Hamilton.


    The SFA initially ordered a replay and fined Brechin £10,000 when it was thought only one ineligible player had been fielded.


    But the club were expelled once it emerged a second such player had also been used.


    In 2006, St Mirren were fined £25,000 for breaching the under-21 rule in a cup win over Spartans.








  24. Livibhoy



    Very best wishes to you, Mrs Livi and wee Charlie bhoy! The birth of a child is the most wonderful thing!




  25. SFA tighten Scottish Cup expulsion rules


    26 May 10 18:44



    Any team fielding an ineligible player will automatically be ejected from the Scottish Cup.


    The Scottish Football Association passed the resolution at its annual general meeting at Hampden.


    The move came after Dunfermline were expelled from this season’s tournament for breaching a number of competition rules, only to be reinstated on appeal.


    In January, a three-man independent panel overturned the SFA’s decision to throw the Fife team out.


    In 2008 Brechin City were expelled from the Scottish Cup for fielding two ineligible players.


    “We’ve brought in a rule that, if someone plays an illegal player or someone who shouldn’t be playing, then they are automatically dismissed from the competition,” said SFA president George Peat.


    “That will take the doubt away in future.


    “In all the time that I’ve been at the SFA, we’ve only twice told clubs they are out.


    “We were surprised actually how easily we got this through, we thought we would get a lot of resistance from the clubs.


    “There was the doubt over the Dunfermline case. At the end of the day, Dunfermline had broken four of the rules and we felt, at that time, it was not unreasonable to remove them the tournament.


    “It went to appeal and the appeal board felt we were a bit harsh. So we have brought in this rule so that there is no dubiety in the future. There are no grey areas at all.”


    Peat also revealed that talks were ongoing with the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League regarding league reconstruction.


    “We have already been discussing a pyramid system and the SFL are now coming around to that way of thinking, because that was the big stumbling block in the past,” he explained.


    “But they are now seriously thinking of it being possible. We had a meeting during the week and we are pursuing that.


    “I can honestly say, without fear of contradiction, that the three bodies are closer now than they have ever been before. We have regular meetings and we are looking forward to the future together.


    “We are still discussing it. The Leagues have their own problems and they’ve got their suggestions to put to their members.


    “Once they get that done, we will sit down again and see how fruitful those suggestions are. We are hoping we will go forward together.”






  26. Morning,



    So Robbie Savage believes the Third Division is that much of a pub league a retired tv pundit will be able to stroll through games.



    If I was playing or managing there, I think I would be a very angry man and looking forward to putting rangers in their place.

  27. up_over_goal on

    Big congratulations to Mr & Mrs Livibhoy – long and happy life to Charlie.


    Lenny: “What not having Rangers in the division will do is increase the expectation on us. I accept that. But it may also give us the chance to blood some youngsters. I can see that being the way we look at this season as it goes on. That’ll counter-balance the fact that I won’t have the money to spend we’ve had previously. Younger players will be involved more. From Celtic’s point of view, it’s a huge blow to lose Rangers – both financially & commercially – but that’s where we are.”



    Read and digest! Now more than ever, Celtic must look to youth as the way forward, and Celtic fans will have to learn the value of delayed gratification when it comes to the calibre of players we have on the books. A couple of million spent on the youth academy will have far better long-term implications than the same money spent on a European makeweight for the 1st team. Luckily, we have an open-minded, foward thinking manager at the helm, and excellent coaching staff in Chris McCart, Stevie Frail et al.



    The fans have also been adjusting to a less frantic, less direct, possession-based approach to the game, consolidated during last season’s 20 game winning run. Bringing through youngsters and nurturing a flexible approach to game strategy are the two biggest pluses in not having Rangers, and we must take advantage.

  28. proudbhoy on 26 July, 2012 at 07:54 said:



    I was told a few years back by a girl who was in his class at school that he was very bitter and bigoted.