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Overwhelming benefits of being organised

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St Mirren’s late goal at Ibrox yesterday was as welcome as it was unexpected, but it means little for us.  It was only the fourth league goal Rangers have conceded all season and Celtic almost conceded a fourth goal in the final minutes against Kilmarnock.  Four goals conceded in 11 games is championship winning form.

Rangers are certainly not a European-standard team at the moment but they are overwhelmingly organised.

We’re in trouble.

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  1. Vmhan who Supports Neil Lennon says:

     

    16 October, 2011 at 19:06

     

     

    you are right but is lennon the man for the job? he will need to do a lot during the next transfer window if he hasn’t been sacked

  2. Yes they are well organsied.

     

     

    We on the other hand, have not been organised properly since the departure WGS.

     

    The inclusion of James McFadden, would put more pressure on us a team, due to our inability to defend from the front, and is surely a step to far at this moment.

     

     

    We need to organise ourselves, and that takes players who have on field positional discipline, on and off the ball.

     

     

    McFadden signing is further proof that Neil has not learnt from his mistakes from the past,and, should be holding on to that money in order to up the ante to acquire players, who have, in abundance, the discipline that is so evidently missing in our squad.

     

     

    You can only teach young players, and there are many in our squad, where they should be at any given time, on the pitch, by having experienced players around who know where they should be and talk to them continually throughout a game.

     

     

    We do not have those type of players at the club por cierto.

  3. i think some players last year being their first season wanted to impress and to a certain degree one or two did,

     

    lke kayal and izzy, it now looks like mr kayal in his mind anyway has done what he had to do and he wants either a massive pay rise or most probable a move to england and the epl,we have other players who dont seem to be up for a battle on most occasions, strange when you condsider there were some battles last season especialy against rangers, just what is wrong points to some form of disharmony among the squad, because its quite clear their heads are dropping very quickly.

  4. Are there REALLY people on this site who are prepared to discuss ANYTHING with a person who thinks that ‘bigger & better bombs ‘ are the solution to the world’s over- population ?

  5. ASonOfDan says:

     

    16 October, 2011 at 19:11

     

     

    Forster

     

     

    Matthews, Dan, Mulgrew, Moroccan

     

     

    Commons, Wanyama, Ki, Ledley

     

     

    Stokes, Hooper.

     

     

     

    I have my reservations about Dan but believe he and Charlie compliment each other but the ideal partnership.

     

     

    Kayal does not want to be there so why not try Wanyama, he did well when he was in. He was Captain before the Heats game, back in yesterday and Charlie gets the nod…shows in my opinion there is something wrong there.

     

     

    Hooper, got ideas above his station in my opinion but he and Stokes are the most productive partnership we have. Bangura doesn’t cut it for me, perhaps though if he gets a goal who knows…

     

     

    Keep the Faith!

     

     

    Hail Hail!

  6. Agreed, send the kids / reserves to france.

     

    We need to beat aberdeen next sunday.

     

     

    Europa has been a nightmare

  7. ASonOfDan says:

     

    16 October, 2011 at 19:15

     

     

    Take your point mate but I obviously made my point clumsly…

     

     

    The point I tried to make was that cardihun allowed him to take cup games (european the exception), in so doing, he was on hand to give sally advice on where he went wrong. Im so doing he learns what he needs to do by puting teams out in any competition…

     

     

    Keep the Faith!

     

     

    Hail Hail!

  8. tractorbhoy says:

     

    16 October, 2011 at 18:29

     

    A very good piece from emusanorphan, no where near the best in my opinion. I did however agree with most of his post, well apart from Sammy and as for rubbishing and being totally disrespectful to Harry Brady and his plan,that was not necessary.

     

     

    Harry was not the only one who proposed a membership scheme and I myself believe it should be done.

     

     

    Tractorbhoy

     

    Not my post but Sandmans at 02.15 today. I ‘m a Ki fan and think AS has Billy Bigtime syndrome too often. I think Sammi has much to offer too.

  9. Interesting stuff about the players Mr Stein inherited. Besides his signing of Willie Wallace, I though he also signed Joe McBride from Motherwell. To me, that is the best bit of business we ever did. Joe scored the goals that gave the team the self belief and confidence to go from also rans to world beaters.

  10. Lennybhoy

     

     

    Forrest not my favourite, but he gave his all to drag Celtic back into the game yesterday.

     

    Stokes done no bad either…HH

  11. Fabio Canofirnbru on

    I would be going with

     

     

     

    Forster

     

     

    Matthews Mulgrew Mastjorovic El Kaddouri

     

     

    Forrest Wanyama Kayal Ki Commons

     

     

    Stokes

     

     

     

    Hooper is out of sorts and carrying an injury IMHO, and Stokes deserves to start

     

     

    When Izzy returns he replaces EK and K Wilson takes Dan out of the centre of defence when fit.

     

    Unless Kayal bucks up his attitiude then he is out when Brown returns, and I’d sell him on in the Jan window to fund a decent CB if he does not get back to last season’s form

     

     

     

     

    HH

  12. A number of posters feel Kayaln’t up for it at the moment. I think that more players and staff the than Kayal are having problems one way or another.

     

    Why the almost total loss of form this saeson by payers who were good last season?

     

    Kayal, Hooper, Dan, M Wilson, Commons.

     

     

    We are a shambles at present.

  13. Lennybhoy

     

     

    Sorry, but Dan/Charlie are THE worst long term partnership at Celtic! 15 games played, 1.12 goals conceded per game, and a 60% points ratio.

     

     

    Better partnerships are Loovens/Dan (yes, really), Rogne/Majstorovic, Loovens/Mulgrew, Rogne/Mulgrew.

     

     

    I hope we never see Dan and Charlie together again (except at Nandos).

  14. Big Vic 67 says:

     

    16 October, 2011 at 18:59,

     

     

    Spot on.

     

     

    To add to your point, I believe their manager is not up to it.

     

     

    Sadly for us, their players appear more ‘professional/determined’ to do their utmost for the huns, than ours do for Neil and the club.

     

     

    Árd Macha

  15. ASonOfDan says:

     

    16 October, 2011 at 19:29

     

     

     

    I most certainly would go with Stokes, his ability to score and provide assists speak for themselves.

     

     

    James played well, especially in the second half. However, I just feel, especially away from home he is too lighweight. Against the more aggresive players e.g. the wee orcs, orcs, murderwell he is eased out of the game and off the ball in my opinion.

     

     

    Keep the Faith!

     

     

    Hail Hail!

  16. I don’t know much about the Game. That much is obvious.

     

    However, is it at all possible that just as we have diminished in line with the standing of the SPL, so have those other teams become more competitive by default?

     

     

    RhetoricalQuestion CSC

  17. is it not symptomatic of whats wrong with club and its direction it has been going in the last 4 years?

     

    how can we have dropped so bloody far in such a short space of time? in my opinion the answer is there

     

    if we just open our eyes, people in charge are earning big bonuses for failure on the field, while the balance sheet is excellent,

     

    now if you qualify for a big bonus for making sure we have very litle debt while on the field we have very poor putting it mildly,

     

    then what incentive is there for this to change,in simple terms peter and others getting bonuses regardless of how bad on field

     

    we are is all the the proof needed unless you dont really want to see it.

  18. hamiltontim says:

     

    16 October, 2011 at 18:54,

     

     

    Yes, I agree with that.

     

     

    During yesterday’s match I thought of you with your sore back, and thought you were indeed playing for the first 70 minutes-:)

     

     

    Árd Macha

  19. Lennybhoy

     

     

    Not starting an arguement but does a couple of seasons basking in the cardigans glory, having him takeover on the touchline when Sally was supposed to be in charge compare with taking over a Celtic team on its knees and rebuilding from scratch whilst having to check under your car with a mirror every day compare?

     

     

    Lets see what Aunt Sally does when his team hit their inevitable sticky patch. HH

  20. up_over_goal says:

     

    16 October, 2011 at 19:29

     

     

    I know that you are a stats man but stats, in my opinion do not tell the true story, having experience of analysing stats, you have to go a step further and ask the why question.

     

     

    How many of the goals were attributed directly to the Dan/Charlie partnership and how may to other defenders i.e. the RB and LB and te GK?

     

     

    As I say I do not doubt your figures but what do they really tell us…not having a pop by the way.

     

     

    I do agree Dan is past his best but I think he and Charlie work well together. That said, if any team lobs the ball up the park and over Dan’s head he is beat, I think more and more teams have grasped this point.

     

     

    Keep the Faith!

     

     

    Hail Hail!

  21. West Brom manager Roy Hodgson:

     

     

    “Shane Long’s performance was as near fault-free as you will get. He was outstanding. He held the ball up, won balls in the air and both he and Somen Tchoyi caused enormous problems”

     

     

    If only he had signed for us….

  22. lennon's passion on

    LoneStar says:

     

    16 October, 2011 at 19:40

     

     

    West Brom manager Roy Hodgson:

     

     

    “Shane Long’s performance was as near fault-free as you will get. He was outstanding. He held the ball up, won balls in the air and both he and Somen Tchoyi caused enormous problems”

     

     

    If only he had signed for us….

     

    ————————————————————————————————————————————————-

     

     

    We didn`t get over it.

  23. ASonOfDan says:

     

     

    16 October, 2011 at 19:37

     

     

    Lennybhoy

     

     

    Not starting an arguement but does a couple of seasons basking in the cardigans glory, having him takeover on the touchline when Sally was supposed to be in charge compare with taking over a Celtic team on its knees and rebuilding from scratch whilst having to check under your car with a mirror every day compare?

     

     

    Lets see what Aunt Sally does when his team hit their inevitable sticky patch. HH

     

     

     

    When they hit their sticky patch and Celtic are on the up then the media will restart their demonising of Lennon in their own sleekit way

  24. bankie

     

     

    When I was a kid, I loved playing golf, and I always played against people who were better than I was, the drive to win is quite amazing.

     

    Golf and football are not a good comparison, but the desire is the same.

     

    The desire to beat us is there for all to see, tis only a pity the desire to beat the hun is not so previlant.

  25. Interesting comment made by a reporter on the Rangers-St Mirren game, the reporter said something along the lines of “a blind man could choose Rangers starting line-up”

     

    On the other hand I think William Hill offers odds on ANYONE picking the starting line-up for Celtic, I understand we are working within the confines of injuries, but in my mind Lenny does not know what his preferred starting 11 would be, even with a free reign regarding injuries and suspensions.

     

     

    We simply must hold onto the gap between us at the moment and as soon as the window opens break the bank for a dominant centre half, it’s too easy for opposing teams to have one game plan against us …… over the top into our back four … think about this, would you have believed me if I’d said “after the first 11 games Rangers would have given up 4 goals, almost one goal for every three games, and after 10 games Celtic would have given up 9 goals” almost one goal for every game? It’s just not good enough, if Mulgrew and Mistake-ovich are the best two (god help us) then go with them, if Loovens, Rogne or Wilson are among your best two, same thing, pick them and play them.

     

     

    Rangers with little or no money have uncovered two centre halves and they still have the guy from Arsenal plus Weir to come back, not counting Charlie Mulgrew and Mark Wilson who have both played C/H we have 4 at the park and two out on loan. I came through a time when if I were asked how many C/H’s Celtic have, my answer would have been “one… Billy McNeil” what I’m saying is that if you have 6 or 8 C/H’s it means you don’t have two who have made the position their own

  26. ASonOfDan

     

     

    The Huns had sticky patch at the start of the season. They were of course helped by the referee with a couple of honest mistakes at Inverness to help them get through it.

  27. … or maybe we would prefer his other CLASSIC.

     

     

    Those who cannot cope with the pressures of life should do us all a favour,…. ‘& END THEIR OWN MISERABLE EXISTENCES.

  28. ASonOfDan says:

     

    16 October, 2011 at 19:37

     

     

     

    I take your point made and not taking it as starting an argument.

     

     

    I am certainly not trying to compare it to a team that is on its knees. The point I was trying to agree with was that they are organised thus far, he has brought in seasoned professionals/journeymen, call them what you like that have been brought in to do a job and thuis far they have done so in the league, ground out results.

     

     

    sally was under heaps of pressure at the start of the season especially the cups but they beat us and have ground out results.

     

     

    I agree with you, will it be the same when injuries creep in and the season goes on, I think he might just get found out, perhaps the late equaliser yesterday could be his turning point, I hope and pray it will.

     

     

    Keep the Faith!

     

     

    Hail Hail!

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