The news yesterday from Glasgow City Council that Celtic’s planning application for the areas outside the stadium had been approved will do more than deliver shrubbery to a currently derelict landscape; your match day experience is about to be transformed.
Unless your ticket is for the executive lounges, your match day will involve turning up to a cold stadium (not a lot Celtic or the Council can do about the weather) and wait for the game to start, with rudimentary access to toilets (get in early if you want a hand towel), burgers and pies.
Celtic have been buying up land around their perimeter for years and with permission to remove the derelict London Road School, they are now in a position to provide restaurants, bars, pre and post-match entertainment. They will also be able to bring the many thousands of artefacts which tell the story of Celtic into a dedicated museum space.
Celtic Park will become a working, 7-day-a-week, tourist destination. It’s going to be phenomenal.
Plans have been before the Council for years but although they ticked all the boxes and made enormous economic sense for an area of the city badly in need of a boost, I hear one SNP councillor spoke against plans to move the superstore from its current location to a larger area, as he felt the need to protect the interests of local Asda and Tesco superstores!
Not everyone was happy to see the club, or the area, progress.
The new edition of CQN Magazine is out and packed with great articles for and by the Celtic support. You can flick through the magazine in the graphic below but it you want to actually read it, click on the double-headed arrow at the bottom right of the graphic.
Here we go………
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London Road School?
As Johann Murdoch has alluded to there is good reason that so many of these old Public School Buildings around Glasgow – Sir John Maxwell School in Pollokshaws is another example – are now sitting empty, unloved and deteriorating. It is simply not financially feasibly to convert them into useful buildings compliant with current Building Regs.
If Planning Consent wasn’t granted for the demolition of the building then it would still be sitting there 15 years from now, only in a far sadder condition. The demolition is sadly a no-brainer.
As for the £300k value? That is a reflection of its location next to Celtic Park, not a reflection of any ‘value’ in the building itself. The building is a liability. I suspect that Glasgow City Council would be willing to sell other similar buildings in less valuable locations for £1.
Where Ernie does have a point (I know! I better get some fresh air) is in the standard of materials and construction to be used for the replacement building. I’ll reserve judgement until I see more details but going by the CG images I have seen I am concerned that if Celtic and their designers don’t get this right then we could be left with a building that will start to look very tired after 10-15 years.
Henriks Sombrero
14:57 on 8 May, 2013
The lifestyle of the rich and famous hun.
Lee McCulloch @jiggymacc6 43s Great meeting everyone at waterstones in EK,off to govan asda later at 530!
How many jobs has he got?
In case anyone is wondering what prompted my last post (or even read it…no offence taken if you didn’t)…It is this…
Celtic look like they are getting their financial house in order (the redevelopment is presumably to bring in further revenue streams)….
But my question is …. are we building a mansion (a top level Celtic) on a house of sand (the SPL/SFL)?
I appreciate that officers and directors dont always tip their hands to the general public as to what they are always doing .. nor, as a rule, should they (if you are on a winner, why give that ‘trade secret’ to your competitors?)…..
But, I do think the club is going to lose some fans if the institutional problems in Scotland aren’t addressed…. this will limit the club financially, and the lack of real competition will hinder us when the team ventures into Europe ….which will, in turn, have fiancial consequences…
So, while the redevelopment is being discussed, I do think the club needs to put forward its thoughts/plans/views on being part (or not) of football in scotland going forward ….
This could be a watershed moment for Celtic/football in Scotland, like the early 90’s were in English football….I just want to make sure that the club has a plan, and that it is one that the fans can get behind…
TET, when I’m back over I’ll give you a shout.
tim tanium
Think we are saying the same thing. He is Celtic mad and has been disappointed that transfer rumours linking him to Celtic have not been followed up by the club.
He was linked to an Italian club recently hence his remarks about going abroad.
Hopefully Celtic will make a move.
His agent is a big Celtic fan and has also been disappointed that Celtic have not come in for him. Yet.
The Battered Bunnet
Yer Wee lad is, well I am gonnae Pray for him.
My Prayers are not that great though, just so ye know.
I want him to get better just as much as Wee Oscar.
I’ll never forget your advice about young footie in EK.
HT, from earlier, well made point, a winning team is what I want to see, and one that plays attractive football all the better.
I stand by my point too though, invest in infrastructure, our model works as far as brining in young inexpensive players.
These two strategies aren’t mutually exclusive, and as the revenue goes up, more money is available. Chicken and Egg situation as you say.
Tastes in architecture are a matter of taste.
Anyone think the scottish parliament is a building worth looking at? It looks like an eye sore to me but in 100 years it may be looked upon differently. Much like Edinburgh Castle that people snap at everyday as I travel to work on the bus. They think it’s beautiful but I know some people who think it’s just a tennement on a hill.
The school is going by the looks of it and people can wish it wasn’t so but it’s going.
We move on. The old standing Celtic Park was to me a shrine and I dreaded it going and looked at the site with only the main stand aghast and I still miss it from time to time but we had to move with the times. The new ground is the best stadium in Scotland.
The old London Road school will be fondly remembered by some it would appear but I think the new contruction will make us forget quickly that it was ever there.
LB
The Battered Bunnet
Buildings that take the breath away (non-exhaustive list):
I will throw in one of the biggest building conversions of original use (in TET territory) – the Mezquita (the Great Mosque of Cordoba).
:-)
Petec
He’s fine. He has a road to travel, and we’ll see where it takes him. His challenge though doesn’t compare with our wee heroes and heroines, and oughtn’t be.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Hope your lad is enjoying himself. Maybe see you at K Park sometime.
I can only see the demolition of the school and subsequent redevelopment as progress for our club. We are learning from past mistakes when we stagnated for decades.This will increase revenue streams and improve the match day experience for many.
Also we should be a major tourist attraction in Scotland; how many of us have visited football grounds elsewhere and spent money. A museum to tell our story; bars and cafes as an option for fans and visitors beats the ole burger van…and hopefully a team to be proud of to match our pride in the club.
Got to be a good thing.
JohnnyClash
16:48 on 8 May, 2013
The notice of listing suggests it’s the exterior that’s of architectural importance.
Maybe somewhere other than Glasgow architects and builders would have the ability to retain the exterior and replace the interior.
Not in Glasgow though, where a wrecking ball is the preferred option.
‘Description
Thomson, Turnbull and Peacock, 1905-1907. Board school, big Edwardian baroque symmetrical 3-storey red ahslar block with banded rustication at ground, pedimented outer pavilions, close-spaced windows between with colonnade at top floor; stair/entrance bays recessed on flanks; original glazing; slate roofs. Lodge is more simply detailed, narrow, 2 storeys; iron-railed boundary wall, square gatepiers with projecting flat caps.’
Think of all the Celtic greats who walked past that building every day. Think of the generations of fans who walked past it for every home game.
Nah, don’t bother, what’s the point.
When the GLOBAL≡MSM is pushing a story, I get awee bitsy wary.
Chipped dugs were the first, Chipped Kids will be the next, but the People will have to demand that rather than be forced upon them, in a Democracy.
Lucky Cody
Im not convinced that setting the hoose on fire before being absolutely certain that there is a fire brigade ready to come and rescue us is a sound plan.
Pogmathonyahun
Ok, no probs.
HH
johann murdoch 16:23 on 8 May, 2013
As you say, for practical reasons it makes sense to demolish the building.
The whole area is being redeveloped, and environmental enthusiasts are normally the first to complain about a mix and match approach to architecture in any place.
Maybe if the ole Velodrome was built in the image of Bridgeton Library there might be more of a case for preservation.
As things stand it’s just an eyesore. An empty building rotting away. Admittedly, it’s in better shape than many of the pubs around there – and the prospect of Celtic fans having somewhere decent to go for a drink and a bite to eat before or after a game is also another plus in terms of getting rid of the school.
It’s hardly a remarkable building anyway. I’ve never noticed anyone admire its beauty or taking pictures of it in the all the time I’ve been going to games at Celtic Park.
ernie lynch
How many players ran past the jungle? Should we have kept it? How many ggreats trained at Barrowfield? Should we have not built Lennoxtown? Facilities bring players.
The new breed of players are impressed by their surroundings.
The club is doing what it can to bring the cllub forward. The school appears to be going unless there is significant opposition to it and it is saved.
Celtic move on and everyone else moves on.
LB
The Battered Bunnet
16:57 on 8 May, 2013
That is Great News, really Good News.
We never really jibber jabber online because passing ships and all that.
If the youngster is anything likes his auld fella he will dae fine, even when adversity hits him. ;))
Praecepta
Its original use was as a Christian church. There’s no denying that the Moors were dab hands at architecture and that their conversion of the building was architecturally stunning, but this gets bandied around quite a lot, for example in Michael Portillo’s most recent series on Spain for Radio 4, and requires challenging because it’s not true. The Mosque was built onto the fifth-century basilica of St Vincent, Spain’s very own Vmhan.
Parkheadcumsalford,
Perhaps another idea would be to try and bring in Russell and the like and loan out Mc.Geoch and the like, to gain the experience that Russell and the like have.
Because, once Russell and the like leave these shores, they ain’t coming back to Celtic Park.
Fans of Pescara/Milan boo through the mins silence for former PM Andreotti. This is what happens when you were LCN’s man in Rome.
Architecture, Church… Celtic wow it could only be CelticFirst or one of his acolytes.
Of which I AM ONE btw.
Never been to Cordoba, but spent some time down the road from TET’s cave in Granada. Another one to add to the list… TET’s cave that is, not the damned Alhambra :¬))
Celtic_First
Since you’re around, we’re planning a wee adventure to the Picos in the summer (fat fellas wobble up mountain sides type thing)
Any recommendoes for Santander?
I’m generally in favour of conservation, but its impossible to conserve every old building. This is generally a job for the planning Dept of the relevant Council. If a building is unique or an exceptional example of the architecture of the time or if it has significant Historical value then it should be retained. However that is one of the reason’s for having a Planning Dept. If they have given the go ahead to have old school demolished then I can’t see a problem.
thomthethim
17:08 on 8 May, 2013
Dylan is a better player than JR already, it is a lot tougher to get intae the Celtic team than the DU side. Even harder staying in it.
Long Term, Wow Celtic are looking pwwwetty snazzy. ;))
I iz very happy, very very happy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWdrIve5BKI
This is really just the Beginning. Njoi the ride. ;)
ernie lynch 16:29 on 8 May, 2013
“This was an importunity to save a listed building by incorporating it in the development scheme.
“But who wants to visit a museum housed in an old fashioned building?
“Much better with something shiny and new.”
The ‘museum’ is one part of the redevelopment. It’s not there to rival the Burrell Collection, the Kelvingrove Art Gallery or Gallery of Modern Art.
Barcelona’s museum was not designed by Gaudi – and that doesn’t limit the target audience (football fans) from visiting it.
TBB
I like the town, but it was destroyed by fire in the nineteenth century and is unprepossessing in comparison to nearby Santillana de Mar and Comillas. The beach is great and you will like the food and wine. I remember a load of seafood and fish places near the port, at the opposite end of the beach from the football stadium.
It’s years since I was there.
Happy Vmhan Day,
Off to the airport shortly. LHR in the am, Glasgow Friday night and Paradise on Saturday. All down hill after that.
London Road Primary School is not pretty. Eye of the beholder and all that.
corkcelt
17:17 on 8 May, 2013
‘If a building is unique or an exceptional example of the architecture of the time or if it has significant Historical value then it should be retained.’
It was a Category B listed building.
It should have been retained.
Ibrox Primary School is a much more attractive edifice. Jist sayin’. Again; eye of the beholder.
Looks like aiden lost it big time and to think of the dogs abuse he got week after week in bigotland
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22448599
The front edifice at Ipox should always remain even after the club has long gone.
It would be a fitting tombstone.
Alpine Ginger
Celtic_First
I have visited it and read a bit about the history. The original church was first built around 600AD (the Muslims subsequently purchased the other half of the ground/ church and built their mosque alongside). Over the next 600 years the Great Mosque (and palace) swallowed up the original church before being handed over to the Catholic Church by Ferdinand.
Interestingly the site was actually a place of worship pre-Christian/ Muslim time – they both built on the ruins of a former Roman Temple.
Didn’t hear the Radio 4 series but do recall watching a very good series called ‘Moorish Spain’ – think it might have been on BBC 3 or 4 (maybe on iPlayer).
Would love to go back to visit – didn’t have enough time to explore it on a day trip.
H!H!
Thought the school should have been turned into the new ticket office.
If its coming down I thought the brickwork could have been reclaimed and used as the facade to one of the new structures, utilising the existing entrance and window structures.
Sorry if this has been posted already – Paddy Crerand on Newstalk this am
https://soundcloud.com/ballsdotie/paddy-crerand-on-newstalk