The notion that Newco is the same as Oldco took a bit of a battering yesterday from two employees of Rangers Football Club PLC, Steven Naismith and Steven Whittaker.
Naismith said, “I am extremely proud of the actions we took but I am disappointed and angry that Rangers Football Club no longer exists in its original form.”
“My loyalty is with Rangers, not with Sevco, who I don’t know anything about.
Whittaker got straight to the point, “We owe no loyalty to the new club. There is no history there for us.”
“No longer exists”, “no loyalty to the new club”, “no history there for us”. Ouch.
Sevco chief, Charles Green responded by confirming he had received guidance from the Scottish FA on the transfer of player-employees from one club to a successor club/company. Curiously he didn’t suggest the SFA backed his position that he was entitled to force players to become employees of Sevco, instead confirming only that there was an appeal route open to him:
“The Scottish FA has been considering the issue and has issued a preliminary guidance note on registration issues. That note has made it clear that it is open to the club to challenge the actions of the players.”
Perhaps emboldened by his precedent-making Court of Session challenge to the SFA which passed without censure from the Association, Green threatened to do so again:
“We have no wish to go to court on these matters but the players involved, their agents and clubs who may be pursuing these players should be in no doubt that we will do whatever it takes to protect the club’s interests.”
This is what happens when the SFA declines to pursue a club for raising actions in the civil courts.
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Italian midfielders etc –
My 2 cents worth [ based on seeing them on the park and on the tele ] .
Pirlo —- great . I rate him to be a better player than Kaka or Seedorf.
Francesco Totti —— great . In his hey day he was as good as Kaka / Seedorf..
Daniele De Rossi —– pre sciatic nerve damage -he was as good as Seedorf . Very different style of midfielder than Kaka .[hard to compare ]
None of them fit to lace the boots of the wondrous Gianni Rivera.
Awe Naw,
As much as I enjoy your badinage to be accused of being (inter ala) a racist impotent idiot merely for pointing out that the Italian National Team is entirely composed of Italians and that Italian club sides eg Milan are not necessarily ,even by your standards of bombast, is pretty bloody good.
RM huns rumour that Green will sell up on Wednesday
How is the lawsuit that duff and duffer brought against the bbc getting on?
In mathematical group theory, the term pariah was introduced by Griess (1982) to refer to the six sporadic simple groups that are not subquotients of the monster simple group.
“monster simple”……now that’s an apt descriptor.
:-)
SSN ….Inverness now stating they will not vote for a newco entry into SPL.
Only one more to come out and that is a definite NO to sevco getting into spl
traditionalist88 on 25 June, 2012 at 15:04 said:
To whom?
Hearts win the ball,
beats one man,
layed off to Hibs,
Hibs spread it out to Dundee Utd,
nice through ball to ICT,
Inverness dart forward and hit the bye line,
Cuts it back to the on running Celtic as Peter Lawwell who runs in from midfield…….
The story of the greatest goal in Football history to be continues shortly….
Dead and Loving it on 25 June, 2012 at 15:04 said:
”How is the lawsuit that duff and duffer brought against the bbc getting on?”
It’s in the queue behind Craig Whyte’s defamation action.
Exclusive pictures of next season’s Rangers ‘Away’ Top
traditionalist88 on 25 June, 2012 at 15:04 said:
“RM huns rumour that Green will sell up on Wednesday”
Maybe watty couldnt bear to hear his pals continual greeting and decided to walk back.
anche gli angeli on 25 June, 2012 at 15:03 sa
What took you so long ?
Researching Giggs ancestry I bet ;-)
Glad you like it. Also make no mistake …. it will definitely stick
Let that be a lesson to your lazy misinformed comment. ;-))
Hail Hail
weeminger
Hopefully the bhoy McKenna but they’re not too keen on that for some reason:) They seem to think Laudrup may be involved!
Personally I’d prefer Gazza to be the frontman as we know what he can bring to the table
HH
We are witnessing now the complete and utter crumbling of an organisation.
The most spectacular fall from grace in Scottish sporting history and , yet , the worst is still to come.
Who’d have thunk it..?
Dead and Loving it on 25 June, 2012 at 15:00:
“Rangers are the true Pariahs of world football”
Are you sure you didn’t mean Rangers are the Parathas of world football … ?
I was actually researching Kaka’s and Seedorfs ancestry. Turns out you’re right both Italians on their granny’s side who was married to Tony Cascarino’s granda. Bugger!
I don’t like this Craig Whyte development. This is more ammunition for the, ” Why should we be punished for the wrongdoings of individuals lobbyists? ” and some of these guys are in the SFA as we all know.
EN
as long as Lawwell disnae stick the ball up his jumper and prevent a goal :¬))
anche gli angeli on 25 June, 2012 at 15:13 said:
merely for pointing out that the Italian National Team is entirely composed of Italians
Only a moron distracted by finally getting an erection would be daft enough not only to do this once but a few times and then pit it in writing.
I blame the Viagra … it made you think you were a man…. for a minute.
HAil HAil
pit=put
Would love to have a wee peek at the Ibrox diary
monday court
tues court
wed court
thur court
frid march
FF
no I quite like a paratha
Charles Green’s problems show no sign of abating after it emerged that Rangers could be called in front of the Fifa Dispute Resolution Chamber in Zurich after being reported to the game’s ultimate ruling body by Rapid Vienna.
The Austrian club is still owed £1,011,763.44 from the £4 million sale of Croatia striker Nikica Jelavic in the summer of 2010 and have requested the assistance of Uefa and Fifa.
Rapid have been informed that they would receive only a pittance when Rangers were plunged into liquidation following the rejection of prospective owner Green’s CVA proposal by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs 12 days ago.
However, the fact that Green’s new Rangers will receive the full outstanding amount due to them from Everton following the £5.5 million sale of Jelavic in January has angered Rapid.
“It seems unfair to us that we might not receive the money we are owed for the player when Rangers expect Everton to pay the fee they agreed for him,” said Peter Klinglmuller, the club’s head of communication.
“I don’t know how the law works in Scotland but we are used to paying our transfer fees in full.”
Minty and his flock of gullible media puppets kept the Hun hegemony in place . Add his obliging friends in Park Gardens and all was hunky dory in Hunland.
Cue the departure of Minty and the whole rotten fabric began to disintegrate ..
If Scottish fitba says no and the Celtic support says no to that Old Firm thing -a whole new world is there for the taking.
starry plough 1448
the was a wonderful article in The Sunday Herald around the time of the CW takeover all about how Sally could bin his low budget targets and look forward to spending millions in a front loaded warchest …a two page spread i believe
Grant, who was the author of that particular rubbish ,should have resigned by now if he had any professional pride
Gretnabhoy on 25 June, 2012 at 15:06 said:
SSN ….Inverness now stating they will not vote for a newco entry into SPL.
Only one more to come out and that is a definite NO to sevco getting into spl
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Hertz
Hibs
Dundee Utd
St Johnstone
ICT
I make that five, so even without us they fecked surely?
HH
/Bishop B
ICT
Inverness Caledonian Thistle have become the fourth SPL club to confirm it will vote against a newco assuming Rangers membership in the league.
The Highland side will vote no to the proposal at the SPL general meeting on July 4.
Club chairman Kenny Cameron made the decision after listening to fans of the team, and said that supporter pressure helped him to come to the decision.
Mr Cameron said: “It is fair to say that in excess of 95 per cent of them raised the issue of sporting integrity as the reason why they don’t want the newco to be admitted and had not yet renewed their season tickets.
“Financially, we examined the various scenarios and, frankly, none of them were positive for our club, it is extremely disappointing to be adversely affected by something not of our doing, unfortunately this is a similar situation for the rest of the clubs in SPL.
“We have also been contacted by supporters of various other SPL clubs, saying they would not be back to Inverness if we did not accept that sporting integrity was what mattered, but this is something that we had already considered and it is not only the integrity of the SPL that is at stake but the integrity of Scottish football.
“It is quite clear, that supporter opinion in Scotland overwhelming supports that view. Supporters are the life blood of any club and we would have been foolish not take on board their opinions on this matter, they are our customers and any business that ignores the views of it customers does so at its peril.”
The chairman went on to say that a “substantial amount” for Caley Thistle fans had withheld their money from buying season tickets and has now called on the fanbase to put their money into the club after their wishes were heard.
Mr Cameron said it was time to rally round and help Inverness for the season ahead.
Sorry for the following long, well off subject post, but blame BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS, for his post in the Telegraph about the consequences of the Reformation. I went out and bought the Telegraph ( a paper I never normally read) and it got me to thinking- so if you don’t want bored skip it:
There is virtually no great Christian Art, in its early period, up until Constantine the Great’s conversion to Christianity opened up a safe environment for public works of religious expression to flourish. In his Edict of Milan in 313, proclaiming tolerance for all religions throughout the whole Empire was a massive catalyst for the expansion of Christian Art in the ancient world. Constantine had first hand experience of Diocletian’s “Great Persecution” of Christians and maybe his benevolence and ultimate conversion to Christianity was an act of repentance. He built many Christian churches, most famous is the Church of the Holy Sepulchre at Golgotha, and this so-called “Constantinian Shift” was the incubator in which the embryonic stages of Christian art prospered. But it wasn’t until Theodosius I, from 379-395, that Christianity became the established state religion of Rome, that Christian art came into a truly fertile stage. The Art changed in quality, sophistication and even its nature was transformed: for he had banned all secular imagery within a religious context, deeming it idolatry- this then was the start of true Christian iconography. Much of this inspiration came from Acheiropoieta, the so-called “made without hands” icons such as the Veil of Veronica, the Image of Edessa and latterly the Turin Shroud. In many ways it would be true to say that the early Christians completely overturned the second commandment in the Book of Deuteronomy: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
But the theological puritanical streak of Judaism, Islam and the later Protestantism may explain the relative poverty of much of these traditions history of art, and in particularly the visual arts. It was Catholic Southern Europe that established The Renaissance in the 14th C, then the great Baroque era, particularly in Spain and France, with its transcendental sense of awesomeness and the sublime, as well as the flamboyant Rococo style of the 18th C. Could you imagine Protestantism inspiring anything to rival the ambition of a masterpiece like Michelangelo’s “last Judgement” in the Sistine Chapel? Or the manifest mysticism of an icon like the Gero Cross, which is an astonishing piece of Art? Could Protestantism ever have inspired anything on the stupendous scale of the great Gothic cathedrals at Chartres or Reims? Even without the cultural ‘bridge’ of the great Catholic Flemish artists, most notably Jan Van Eyak, the Protestant ‘North’ may never have evolved to produce a Rembrandt or a Durer. Protestantism stripped icon’s from their art such as halo’s, wings, angels, ‘hovering’, the presence of Divinity and even vibrant colouration and replaced them with secularised ‘realism’. It culminated in all those dark squalid accumulations of private portraits of dull and sullen looking rich Dutch merchants perfected in Rembrandt and lesser luminaries. This is the embryonic period of the West’s cult of the Self, the primary pre-occupation with the individual and it is reflected most clearly in the Northern Protestant artists. There is a shift from the grand to the mundane, from the Divine to the human, from the Spiritual to the secular, from what is greater than the individual, to a central immersion in the individual, and glorified by art through the ‘immortalization’ process of the painters canvass.
The Protestant Reformation was a holocaust of art throughout most of Europe, particularly during and after Calvin’s time. With the mass destruction and irrevocable loss of many great works of art- “All religious imagery is idolatry”- Protestantism leaned culturally more towards the fire and brimstone puritanical Old Testament form of “Christianity” and found more in common with Orthodox Judaism. Scotland, under Knox, was of course one of the most extreme and reactionary areas of Northern Europe that experienced radical iconoclasm. Sculptures and stained glass windows smashed up, books and paintings were burned, with many buildings destroyed or modified completely, to the destruction of thousands of high quality wood carvings.
All religions need iconography in order to ‘mediate’ between the transcendental and the profane, whether it is Hinduism’s Shiva altars or carvings of Krishna or a candle lit at Dawali; or a Tibetan Buddhist Thangka depicting the Wheel of Life or the ‘Icon Corners’ at Eastern Orthodox Churches with icons of Christ, Mary and the Saints. These are places where we cross a gate, a door, of mediation, from the profane world outside into a domain that dramatically symbolises the sacred dimension: the bright drama of incense, vibrant colour, bold symbolism and the panache of the costumes all immediately conjure up a sensation of ‘otherness’, as is seen in the overt mysticism of the Coptics.
Man needs mediation. He exists in a world where nothing is immediate, neither the light he perceives surrounding him, his ideas in his mind nor the reality, Kant’s “Thing in itself”, by the time we have processed through the mechanics of the brain, it has already passed. The human brain is like a prism, certain subtle aspects of pure reality cannot be known unless they are divided up, just like we cannot see colour without the mediation of refraction. So it is true with the invisible spiritual dimension of existence, we need iconography to remind us of what we cannot see, or know with the mind- the mind quickly loses focus for what it cannot see, but a symbol makes present what normally seems absent and void.
Mediation is an act of crossing the borders of sacrum and profanum. It was traditionally associated with things like: advancing between different stages of human life, changing the role in society, passing the border between civilized/known/home world and natural/unknown world, transgression of social constrains and other things.
As mediation is crossing between distinct states in neatly ordered, polarized traditional mindset, it is inherently dangerous causing individual to remain in sort of primordial limbo where distinctions are blurred and qualities uncertain. To relieve the tension mediation needs special ritual activities (rites) and to ward off disaster, special rules of conduct (taboos) are formed.
Without going into what was probably the biggest factor for cultural changes to Western Civilization- namely the legalisation of usury, which brought on the onset of Mercantilism, and latterly the anxiety over status that led to Weber’s Theory of Capitalism’s and his conclusions as to its origins in the Protestant Work Ethic- a large part of where we are I think can be explained by the cultural shift into Protestant iconoclasm, with the move a way from traditional stages of religious initiation such as communion and confirmation, that measured the process of maturation and put it within a context of spiritual meaning. The moving towards the individual away from the “Divine Other”; the fetishism and idolatry of money from the spiritual iconography of Catholicism; a general disdain for any eternal perspective in human existence towards a primary identification with temporal success. As well as a specific sense of uprootedness that has cursed modern man since the break from the historical traditions and deep sense of spiritual continuity that seemed to exist under the auspices of the Catholic Church. This has been influenced in part by the shift from the grand to the mundane, from the Divine to the human, from the Spiritual to the secular, from what is greater than the individual, to a central immersion in the individual, and glorified by art through the ‘immortalization’ process of the painters canvass. Maybe this is what Nietzsche meant when he said “God is Dead”: maybe he was fully aware that we had exiled the spiritual from our lives, that we had uprooted ourselves from the eternal, and banished God from our civilization at the expense of exalting the Self and proclaiming only ourselves as worthy of worship.
Len Brennan – the panel from Perth have not officially returned their verdict yet. It was due this afternoon
Still suspicious of Naismith and whittaker actions until they sign for another club. Have they been put up to this by smith and McColl. FPLG easy ride for the two of them suggests he may have been brought into the inner sanctum to work against green. Naismith and Whiitaker have 5 year enhanced contracts. Naismith has had 2 serious injuries and finding a new club in EPL will not be easy. Whittaker is a poor defender for a right back and Championship would be his level but not on the salary he is on.
I have been suspicious of the two players ( and to go public with the pained expressions as if under duress ). Theres something not right here.
St Johnstone were expected to announce today their No vote but may be reluctant to do so now and be seen as the team that killed Sevco5088.
Aberdeen fans would love to be the club that killed them.
RL cheers mate!
Have read on here and a few other sites that they had already declared.
Plus had a feeling that it might have been Jim White tampering wie the facts over at SSN!
HH
/Bishop B
SUMMA OF SAMMI 1154
Thanks for the reply,bud,and I hope you are having a blinding time back home-he said,envious as f…
No excuse for me really,as you can travel 12000 miles,while I make excuses for not doing a lousy 400!
That’s it,had enough,I’m on the sick-Mum,set an extra place for the fatted calf……….
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo – I blame the Viagra
I hear the Italians mix granulated viagra with their parmesan, to make hard cheese. (thumbsup)
I’ve always said I liked Inverness …. ;)
Definite No’s – Hibs, Hearts, ICT, Dundee United
Should be No’s – Celtic, Aberdeen, St.Johnstone
Maybe – Ross County, St.Mirren
Probably Yes’s – Motherwell
Definite Yes – Kilmarnock, Old Rangers(!)
So looks like at least 7-5 against the Huns!
The vote will end up 11-1,no club would gamble on us bhoycotting them.Johnston at Killie will bend in the wind spouting the sporting integrity line.
….PFayr on 25 June, 2012 at 15:25 said:
Nearly choked on ma Kit Kat, professional pride from a Scottish Journalist!!!
I love it on Twitter every time something happens to them all the old Chris Mac quotes come out, now there’s a man who should think of a new career, there’s even some currants on Twitter now claiming that SFL3 was their cunning plan all along!!
Oh my aching ribs…
Oh Campbell there’s some at the door for you Darling!!
The SFA are in anomoly land again. They don’t see fit to pursue Deadco for Craigy Boys takeover. But the police have.
Oh dear.