News that our Scottish football’s star player tested positive for Covid a day after travelling to meet the France Under-23 squad, is an indication of what we are in for. Odsonne Edouard and pretty much all other professional footballers are from a demographic that is immune to the worst excesses of the disease, but it will continue to infect players for the remainder of the season. Celtic, and all clubs, will be required to utilise their squads like never before.
Beyond our worry for Odsonne’s health, the next concern is for the rest of the squad. Odsonne played for Celtic on Sunday and tested positive in France on Tuesday. The club will have a nervous few days ahead while the incubation period of a possible transmission on Sunday expires.
It is more likely the player contracted the disease while travelling. If so, the short-term consequences for Celtic are less, but this indicates the risks we can expect when players mix with the public on commercial flights. When Celtic or any national team travels, they do so on private charters, within their own ‘bubble’. But players who live abroad need to use public transport to get back home.
From Azerbaijan to Iceland, ‘European’ players will cross-fertilise with fellow travellers and each other. When they return to their clubs at the end of next week, most having attended three fixtures, they will be walking petri dishes. Some will have picked up colds and flus, then isolate, due to these symptoms, but Odsonne will not be the last positive test.
These international fixtures are like a big mumps party, seeding populations with a deadly cargo through largely asymptomatic agents. Not your best work, Uefa.
A reminder to us all, wash your hands, don’t touch your face, keep your distance, wear a mask. It does not matter what age you are, you don’t want this disease.
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Bugs
My prediction is that french Eddy, cross-fertilisation or no cross-fertilisation, will return better and faster post-Covid and score a perfect hattrick against the Huns on Oct 17th :)
Having international ‘National’ football is madness in the current circumstances – non-essential travel.
As mentioned, at least with club football there is – or can be – a much-better element of control over the cohort of players travelling. With National football squads – it is impossible to control.
UEFA should be taken to task / held liable for reckless conduct.
HH
BGFC
In my school days we were all walking petri dishes :)
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“It is more likely the player contracted the disease while travelling.”
Eh… Maybe not, Paul. The course of the virus is now well established, with an average incubation period of 6 days from date of exposure to onset of symptoms (hence why the Trump case is ‘distinct’).
On average, viral shedding starts 3 or 4 days before symptom onset, being 2 or 3 days from exposure.
The PCR test detects shed virus, so on average, an exposed person will test positive when they start shedding, being 2 or 3 days after exposure.
It’s important to emphasise *ON AVERAGE* because there is considerable variation. The earliest onset of symptoms so far has been recorded at 2 days, while the longest is 21 days, but the distribution skews to the average. You can read more here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3692807
Eddy tested positive on Tuesday. He flew to France on Monday as I understand it. He last played for Celtic on Sunday, 2 days before being tested by the French. His previous test would likely have been on the Thursday.
If Eddy fits the average case profile, he was likely exposed to the virus between giving his regular sample through the week at Celtic and coming off the pitch at St Johnstone on Sunday.
In those circs, we should not be surprised if other Celtic – or indeed St Johnstone – players test positive in the coming days, unrelated to any international commitments.
*ON AVERAGE*CSC
Good stuff Pablo …
Although you could have put the last paragraph first – I was touching my face as I started to read your leader.
:)
Anyway, now the transfer window has closed and almost nothing more can be done to augment existing squads ……
…. We can safely talk about a key driver in our recruitment.
Players will drop like flies over the next 8 months.
The clubs with the best squads (quantity AND quality) will stand the best chance of achieving their objectives.
Random chance will be a factor too.
The value of our acquisitions and retentions will not be fully apparent until the business end of the season.
Coincidentally – when the nation’s most fabulous team start to … ahem … flag.
Hail hail
Keep The Faith
P67
good point about not getting it at any age.
My wife’s aunt (about 60) got it and has fully recovered; her cousin (early 30s) got it and now has breathing difficulties. used to swim in the sea and hike up mountains but now gets breathless going up the stairs.
Hopefully this will improve but the docs say there is scarring in her lungs now so it is a bit like having COPD from the old smoking.
P67
it’s Petri, not petri
a bit of respect
Wouldn’t it be refreshing if Celtic played in a country where you could be confident that those who administer and report on the game wouldn’t try to use a positive Covid test to affect the outcome of the league title.
Paul67, entire squads (Livingston) sat in the middle of a pizzeria last night? Doesn’t need to be international duty. I know, I’m starting to sound like a broken record with that one.
Coneybhoy I was at that Dundee game and I’ve seen the official crowd, so couldn’t have been 120,000 of us that day 😏
LETS ALL DO THE HUDDLE on 7TH OCTOBER 2020 12:55 PM
Petri? Never heard of him. Can he take corners?
To continue on with international football [at all levels] is complete madness.
Club football itself is hanging by a thread.But ultimately it is the players livelyhood.The clubs pay the wages of course.
The international circus has long seemed out of date.But under the current restrictions and pandemic exposure it actually appears insanity.
In a genuine court it would be laughed out of court.
Completely pointless at the best of times of which this season certainly is not.
I have no faith this season will be completed….It is a huge logistical nightmare.
CONEYBHOY on 7TH OCTOBER 2020 12:53 PM
Worrying.
As a matter of interest, roughly when did they become infected ie which of them got it earlier?
GLASGOWBHOY on 7TH OCTOBER 2020 12:59 PM
‘Paul67, entire squads (Livingston) sat in the middle of a pizzeria last night?’
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Petri’s Pizzaria?
ERNIE LYNCH
Naw, it’s the ershole at Hibs who wouldn’t sell
McGinn to us 8-))
H.H. Mick
Glasgowbhoy
😁
That was some squeeze. Whisper it but Celtic may not have been clean on tax back then (or they just lied about attendances to keep within H&S rules).
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GLASGOWBHOY
I was there also, did you count the 30.000 on the track lol.
H.H. Mick
Ernie 🤣
Coneybhoy, my brother fell when Walker made it 2, then didn’t realise we were all celebrating a 3rd when he got back up! One of the many days when I just couldn’t squeeze into the Jungle and ended up in the Huns end.
A couple of weeks earlier we played St Mirren, midweek I think at CP and me and two mates climbed up out the Huns end to sit on the girders, it was so busy. Just looked up the official crowd 45,000! Aye right!
Ernie – exactly what I said this morning.
With precedent set, they’ll be exploring every avenue to get the Sevco game forfeited. The SMSM will kick up a shit storm.
Melbourne Mick, yeah the track was packed,the normally empty bit in front of the polis hut was packed even the no man’s land that separated the two sets of supporters in the Huns end. Brilliant!
There is absolutely nothing good to come out of international football at the best of times.
Now that it’s a human wacamole for COVID19, it needs put in the bloody sea.
Eff UEFA….
Celtic wiki says that Seville manager Jock Wallace was at the st Mirren game, whit?! Don’t remember that!
I blame Petri Lawell.
ERNIE LYNCH on 7TH OCTOBER 2020 1:02 PM
CONEYBHOY on 7TH OCTOBER 2020 12:53 PM
Worrying.
As a matter of interest, roughly when did they become infected ie which of them got it earlier?
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Ernie,
Not sure but I don’t think they were on the same ‘trace’ . The aunt/niece are not directly related. The aunt got it through her work as a nurse during heavy lockdown.
Not sure how the cousin got it but she lives out in Wicklow in a cottage by the sea and works online. Should have been fine out there so most probably got it when restaurants and limited meet ups with friends were brought back in
PS all counties in Ireland now on L3 lockdown which means no travel out of your county and pubs/restaurants/coffee shops effectively closed again. Everyone working from home. GAA have called off all games and shut club bars. ‘wet’ Pubs open lasted 2 weeks .
Spikes here are blamed on house parties, communions, schools being back, fans/players running around hugging each other at GAA games. Unis are mostly online
Nae boozer fur the huns game apparently…
‘New lockdown rules’
According to ‘leaked documents’, the below measures will be in place from October 10-25
Pubs and bars closed for 16 days
Cafes and restaurants can’t serve booze
Indoor visitor attractions closed
Central Belt could face restrictions for longer
That game was one of my near death experiences.
Me and the mhate shot away at the last minute to beat the crowd.
Scarves tucked in pockets heading through Brigton X wee hun
approaches us from across the road from the train station.
” Ya fenian bassas “, me looking ahead spots a few of them tucked
in the door of the pub, said to the mhate ” keep walking say nothing ”
spying the baseball bats as we hurried past.
Close one for us, but think some other poor souls copped it that day.
H.H. Mick
Paul 67,
Yes there will be more positive test amongst players Of that there is no doubt.
What would be interesting to know is ; How many players will be “shocked” to find out they have the virus ?
Of course they probably wouldn’t be allowed to be this transparent.
As for more restrictions expected later today in Scotland. Will our dear leader exempt her politicians from them ? I’m afraid actions speak louder than words, and her action was negligible.
In other matters; surely our players / coach’s and manager must have to isolate now . The Test and trace “rule” will have to kick in, won’t it?. You dont need an app for that.
It’s inconceivable that members of the public will have to isolate, but his closest contacts won’t.
Totallyconfusedcsc.
Apparently the self isolating period in France following a positive test is 7 days. If Eddy feels ok and tests negative by next Tuesday, we could send a personal trainer over to put him through his paces. He could return to Scotland on the Friday morning by private jet and join up with the squad for Saturday the 17th.
21-5-79 🍀 on 7TH OCTOBER 2020 1:26 PM
Nae boozer fur the huns game apparently…
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No surprise there. We booked a table weeks ago for the game, but I was sure it would not be needed.
All work and no play, makes for a very unstable public.
HH.
On a separate point, the diagnose might give Eddy a renewed perspective. His head has been elsewhere recently but hopefully the good wishes, warmth and support put him back on track.
A positive PCR test is notnecessarily a case. Please check Ivor Cummins YouTube video on the “pandemic”. He tends to agree with the likes of professor Carl Heneghan of Oxford university.
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infectious-positive-pcr-test-result-covid-19/
BIG WAVY on 7TH OCTOBER 2020 1:18 PM
Made me :-)
Melbourne Mick, they always were good losers eh?
Just heard Tim Vickery talking about Laxalt.
He’s seen a lot of him and said while he doesn’t have the most cultured left-foot, he has a great set of lungs, is able to get up and down the left-flank and can play left-wing or as an attacking full-back and is “great to have around”.
Sounds promising.
A study in 2017 by the University of Kent found that 28% of English Premiership footballers suffered from exercise induced asthma. More here if emby’s in the least interested: https://www.kent.ac.uk/news/science/16178/research-leads-to-call-for-lung-health-screening-at-top-football-clubs
GLASGOWBHOY
They can’t even win but they want to kill or maim sumbdy.
Funny thing about that day, the wee hun was a middle aged
man, very dapper, shirt, tie , etc. and I thought he was a Tim
coming to say ‘ well done lhads”
They had it well planned, thank god I spotted the set up and
didn’t react like we normally do.
I believe there was a lot of trouble reported there later on.
H.H. Mick