Pragmatic expectations and serial divorcees

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I spoke to a serial divorcee some years ago and he suggested that after one bad marriage, you’re more likely to plunge headfirst into another, then another, than your average person, despite all the warning signs.

He was driven by a need to put things right in his life.  Regretful of lost time, he wanted to get on with finding a secure, lasting, future relationship.

Parma were a tiny club for most of their existence, occupying the fourth tier of Italian football, but they rose inextricably to become one of the top clubs in Europe.  When Rangers knocked them out of the Champions League qualifiers in the 90s, they were sixth top seed in the Uefa rankings.  When the money dried up and insolvency grabbed them a few years ago it must have been hard to accept their place – a club with little substance going for it, but with fans expecting glory.

News this week that after liquidation a newco Parma would kick off at the bottom tier of the professional game in Italy is a morality tale.  Just as my pal, the divorcee, was compelled to plunge into a ‘lasting and successful’ relationship at the first opportunity, few people who pick up the pieces of insolvent football clubs seem to be blessed with pragmatic expectations.  A second, even more damaging liquidation, haunts in the shadows.

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  1. leftclicktic on

    Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon

     

     

     

     

    16:00 on

     

     

    26 June, 2015

     

     

     

     

    The more I hear about the deal between Ashley and The Rangers, the worse it seems for the new cub. They must have been really desperate fr the cash – and Ashley knew it.

     

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    The more I read the more I ask myself is Big haunds Green still getting a wee cut for setting up original deal:))))))))))))))))

  2. The more I read the more I ask myself is Big haunds Green still getting a wee cut for setting up original deal:))))))))))))))))

     

     

     

    Oh I would hazard a guesse that chuckles is still hauling it in, case loads of those £10 notes they used to bum about going out that door every month.

  3. mike in toronto on

    South of Tunis … I recall you saying that you had seen her live, but I couldn’t recall if you had seen the film …. Sounds like you have seen a few good ones in your time. What is the best/worst show you have seen?

     

     

    I did see ella long ago when I was young ….but it was an outdoor free show, so not the best place/atmosphere …. but it was still ella! I can always say that I saw one of the GIANTS of music!

     

     

    Worst … probably branford marsalis …. loved his stuff (bluesy, soulful, ), but was only okay on Wynton … then saw them live … Branford in a little club, and he was just a jackass … rude, arrogant …. put me right off …

     

     

    on the fiip side, I went to Massey Hall to see Wynton … I always thought was a bit ‘cold’/technical …. but, he could not have been more gracious, charming – to his band, to the audience … …. clearly loves what he does, and wants everyone to love it as well … and he and his band (he was with the Lincoln Center orchestra then) can they swing! .I came away with a new HUGE respect for him and his music after that!

  4. Monaghan1900 on

    Phyllis Dietrichson

     

    16:52 on

     

    26 June, 2015

     

    I’m disappointed with Phil’s latest.

     

     

    I had read they were only getting £7.50 for every £100 sold, but Phil says it’s £7.50 for every £50.

     

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    You can console yourself in the knowledge that for every unsold shirt, the Huns are out of pocket to the tune of £50 plus whatever commission Michael takes to sell the item in his shops at a discount. The icing on the cake being the Huns’ determination to boycott shirt sales!

  5. leftclicktic on

    tonydonnelly67

     

    as suspected I believe he is getting his money every month,but the thought of him getting handed money off the sports direct deal gets me smiling, king SOS and tinfoil heid tried to get the fans to crash sevco into the wall to do away with all the existing contracts then Mash appeared to keep them on life support just to keep the money rolling in,but the end is neigh for them IMHO,as I don’t believe they will sell 25k STs and will walk away once the depths of the contracts bites.

     

    ps are you home yet or still having a ball with the family?

  6. I think at times Phil mgobligian.makes a lot of story’s about Sevco.if you have to believe him the many times he had said they are in big trouble. Well you know what they Sevco .are still around.

  7. BIG-CUP-WINNERS on

    So Mash wins no matter what.

     

     

    The deal must be based on some sales forecast?

     

     

    Maybe that’s were Big Hauns 500 million worldwide fan base comes into things…

  8. leftclicktic on

    timbhoy3

     

    “Sevco are still around”.

     

    Agreed but they are a complete and utter basket case living on borrowed times

     

    who will pull the trigger though,

     

    King Ashley or hopefully the zombies themselves

  9. Whoever signed that Sevco contract with Mash was either totally desperate for his cash, wanted a big kickback from it or maybe just wanted to cripple the newco. It’s totally bonkers.

  10. South Of Tunis on

    mike in toronto .

     

     

    Best ? – Augustus Pablo @ London Astoria / Tim Buckley @ Queen Elizabeth Hall / Wayne Shorter @ Govan Town Hall..Captain Beefheart @ Middle Earth.

     

     

    Worst – the never ending Prog rock / guitar solo guff @ Uni gigs late 60s / early 70s.

  11. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    RS Sport is truly awful. Have already got Janko “sold on”!

     

    Oh, and apparently Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal are “banana skins”.

     

    Only the 30-odd Grand Slam titles between them!

  12. Phil’s muddying the water slight by talking about unsold shirts at a time when they won’t actually be classed as unsold.

     

     

    If SD are selling them at eg £48 just now and MA is taking 25% Sevco will be getting £36. It’s only if they’ve over ordered and there’s loads left that the £60/shirt to MA scenario kicks in. (those prices from SD website for adult short sleeved top)

     

     

    I’d say the discounting very early into the release of the new shirt has been done to shift the stock and avoid that scenario.

     

     

    At the example prices they’d need to sell 63% of all shirts ordered before making any profit. Risky.

  13. leftclicktic

     

    09:16 on

     

    26 June, 2015

     

    Bada Bing

     

    Haste ye back

     

    you have been missed.

     

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    SHOOOOSH YOU! :o)

  14. ProudBhoy – can recommend a few bars in Dusseldorf Altstadt for stag night; including the little Killerpitcsh bar where you knock on the window and get served outside, and McLaughlin’s for some ‘home’ comforts.

  15. leftclicktic

     

    Still in Canada, I get home Wed. Morning, it’s been great weather and everyone is so nice, PS. Huns over here are very bitter and think it’s the same club, I can’t be arsed educating them, I’m on holiday, fack um :))

  16. 11 Players You Didn’t Know Rangers Almost Signed,

     

     

     

    Unbelievable article from La La Land.The managers who almost managed them is as bad.

     

     

    Messi

     

    Bergkamp

     

    Shearer

     

    Iniesta

     

    SAMARAS

     

    Kenwin Jones

     

    Jardel

     

    Ronaldo(The Brazilian)

     

    Etoo

     

    Van Persie.

     

     

    Good grief.The managers is on Newsnow Rangers.

  17. Greenpinata@10:16

     

     

    “SFTB, If I may say so, you have cherry picked the points to contest.”

     

     

     

    Not half as much as you have just done.

     

     

     

    “Let’s take off the rose tinted specs that Kev J has loaned you. Many of us used to frequent the “jungle” and watched or attempted to watch the games the games through an alcoholic haze. The amount of empties at the end of the game would pay testimony to that.”

     

     

    As I acknowledged all of that in my initial post, I can hardly be accused of rose tinted specs. My observations were solely on the Jungle Fans tendency to support in times of adversity. I never held them up as examples to follow on other aspects of behaviour; in fact I stated i was glad to see those days behind us.

     

     

    “While the jungle was a great place at the time it would never meet the criteria for watching football in the modern era.

     

    It could be argued that the tern green Hun ( which was the crux of the initial question) could have been applied to the not so infrequent gangfights with subsequent bottle throwing.

     

    Nothing must have been more demoralising to our players than to watch large gaps opening up in the terracing as our fans fought with each other.”

     

     

    Again, mostly true but I was not asking for the Jungle behaviour to be re-introduced (that is KevJ’s schtick), I was asking for their supportive attitude to the team to be recreated. I have no idea how demoralising the players found terracing fighting but I seriously doubt that it affected them as much as hostility, verbal or physical, directed at them as players. That’s just human nature.

     

     

     

     

    “As you correctly state there was a lot of behavioural issues to contemplate.”

     

     

     

    Well, thanks for noticing.

     

     

     

    “I for one never want to see our kids attending a match wearing painted crash helmets, and all the cheering in the world doesn’t negate that fact or make it retrospectively correct.”

     

     

    Neither do I. Both aspects of behaviour are separable and capable of being treated separately. If you thought I was advocating bottle throwing, casual gang violence or peeing in cans, I would happily have that pointed out to me. But as I didn’t, the lecture is superfluous.

     

     

     

    “If some of our players cannot handle constructive criticism from their paying public then perhaps they are in the wrong game.”

     

     

    Constructive criticism, my erchie! Neither of us were born yesterday and we can both spot a bit of rhetorical spin when we see it. Nobody is shouting out- ” Mr. Forrest, you should contemplate the option of working a little harder as it will reap dividends!” Let’s leave the constructive advice to the pros on the coaching and playing staff. If any of our players start listening to playing advice from me (or, even you, if you have not played at this level) they should be dropped.

     

     

     

    “Most people react positively to criticism ( within reason ) and strive to do better, and I would question the aptitude of those who give up.”

     

     

    Most do not welcome criticism. Most of the criticism expressed at fitba matches is far from constructive or positive as it is possible to be. Even the strongest ego, and these guys have had to fight their way through some demanding audiences to become professionals at this level, will blanche at concerted and repeated booing.

     

     

     

     

    “Finally I simply cannot accept that you should store your feelings and discuss them later. Any emotion is spontaneous. Football is emotional and if we lose that then we all may as well watch games on the laptop.

     

     

    HH to you.”

     

     

     

    Don’t store them up then- discuss them with fellow fans if you can find someone tolerant enough to listen. It is more than ok to react emotionally, just don’t expect to be mistaken for a positive, constructive critic with a well balanced ego whilst you tantrum like a two year old and swear like a well taught parrot.

     

     

    HH to you too- I’m aff oot

  18. syd negakev

     

     

    17:30 on 26 June, 2015

     

    Whoever signed that Sevco contract with Mash was either totally desperate for his cash, wanted a big kickback from it or maybe just wanted to cripple the newco. It’s totally bonkers.

     

     

    That sevco contract was signed by the neds, for the neds, to the neds, and the neds will milk it dry as long as the deluded and smsm keep playing the same club myth, I love it.

  19. Went on the Celtic Park your today. £8 for an hour and a half tour. 3 adults and the wee man who is 3 next month and he was free.

     

    Arrived bang on 11am due to some heavy traffic and we were met by the lovely Maura (spelling). Who took our dough and then along with 3 other Bhoys we were into the board room and the beginning of the Celtic Park journey. Our host explained all the trophies in the cabinet as if she had been present everytime they had been won. Ample time for photos and then out to the corridor where the display cabinets were dedicated to Tommy Burns, John Thompson & James McGrory and the last one was Danny & Kenny. Through to the tunnel area and into the dressing rooms. Lots of wee stories and a look in the lockers where Zakuska has a photo of Pope JP II in his. Out to pitch side and into the dug outs and some photos. Up to the directors box and then back into the press room which was really small in comparison to my thoughts on how big it would be. A short history of the club is then shown narrated by Kris Commons and finally up to the Skybox to see the view from there. Absolutely excellent. Couldn’t recommend it high enough. Our guide was tremendous and of course the facilities could be better. There could be more interactive things, a museum like Hampden and a cafe etc but what we have currently is well worth a look and the hour and a half whizzed past. If you haven’t already done so I would advise paying it a visit over the summer if you have a spare couple of hours.

     

    New Balance are obviously doing some work changing all the Nike signs and stuff and our guide did explain that during the commonwealth games the committee took control of the dressing room area and the players personal items like photographs on their lockers were taken down and never put back up again. I assume these were lost which is very poor considering they couldn’t really have been used much. All in all a magic wee day with 3 generations of Tims and my cousin from Clydebank. My old man even treated us to the new strip. Not many better ways to spend a rainy day in Glasgow.

     

     

    LB

  20. Greetings Paul67,

     

     

    My machine has assured me that I am not the cause for your recent Blog technical hiccups…

     

     

    Unfortunately for yourself and CQN though, in a visit I make in 2037 I will infect the Blog with the Operating Reliability Contamination(ORC) virus. A hunverse code unwittingly uploaded into all timverse agent machines in 2107.

     

     

    In better news though, the destruction caused by ORC was solved by a brilliant timverse egghead known only as Agent H when he invents a counter virus in 2108, which, simultaneously wipes all forms of ORC from timverse systems and uploads an undeletable continual loop of Celtic FC cryo-hybrid superstar Henaldo Messikak lifting the 2063 World Champions League trophy to all hunverse systems.

     

     

    To Infinity & Backwards!

  21. The Pantaloon Duck on

    winning captains – on the iPad now, still getting stuck in a loop on CQN Mag articles :-(

  22. Isn’t it strange that….as it seems when the huns slip ever further away….Celtic struggle to sell SB’s with deadlines seemingly being forever extended…..isn’t it also curious(well it is to me) that, with all the delays in getting permission for standing areas either through, authoritative delay or, by Celtic’s ‘beaks’ dragging their erses due to, probable Green Brigade numbers being extended with the standing area fears, the custodians have realized that fans attending the football by purchase of a SB are slowly but, surely ending…..good.

     

     

    The promises of Saturday afternoon kick-offs at 3’0’clock…then being changed once ye purchase yer SB are surely signs that desperation stages have been reached and that, the realization that the attending the fitba by purchase of a SB days are in the last chance saloon…the 1st bullet to be fired at the SB-era was when the huns were put out the league.

     

     

    Fergus and, Murray used to love holding ‘that’ gun to yer head that…”if you don’t purchase a SB then, you won’t be able to attend the two O## F### games.”….

     

     

    Then during the Brian Quinn era we used to get…”purchasing your SB will enable us to purchase the players to help with our CL efforts.”….before subjecting MO’N to a ‘Michael Gray-window”…just as the huns were starting to downsize under McLeish….aye, so much for not watching what the huns are doing…..

     

     

    …..in other news…SFTB…hit me with yer rythmn-schtick…but don’t knock the Jungle…just don’t….k.

     

     

    ….oot. YNWA

  23. BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

     

    13:05 on

     

    26 June, 2015

     

    PAUL67

     

     

    Someone posted a link to the Parma tale of woe a few days back.

     

     

    Wow. A real eye-opener.

     

     

    Absolutely shameful behaviour from everyone charged with the well-being of that club.

     

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    A wee bit the like the huns …except it was absolutely brilliant behaviour :O)

     

    Apart from no paying the face painter.

  24. Cowiebhoy – of course. Swap out RRL for sevco in what I said above. Which would ultimately see Sevco get 9 per shirt.

     

     

    If it’s the case that sevco and not rrl are responsible for buying unsold stock they’d need to sell 87% of shirts ordered to make any profit. Bonkers.

  25. Fabulous business for Ipswich to get 8 million for Tyrone Mings. Average player but fee greatly inflated by EPL riches. Those chip-wrappers suggesting big Virgil is for sale at the same price are obviously demented. Virgil is worth at least 20 million to an EPL club and perhaps even more. It is the market which decides the price. Seems good business to hold on to him until at least the end of the transfer window although I would be delighted if he stayed much longer.

  26. Turned on talk sport there,

     

    Adrian Durham and Darren Gough were speaking to Mark Warburton, it was unbelievable, firstly Gough kept rattling on about playing in front of 45,000 every week???

     

    Durham saying ‘is your main goal to win Scottish Championship? And if u do what an achievement that would be??? Seriously lol, then Gough hits out with ‘I see your trying to sign John Eustace, yeah I watched Rangers a few times last year and they needed an experienced player in the middle of the pitch’ ??? Totally feckin clueless these 2 w*****s, then Durham hates Celtic so he’ll be trying to wind is up but honestly I had to turn it off! Lol

  27. 67Heaven .. CHALLENGING THE LIE ..I am wee Oscar...... Ipox belongs to the creditors on

    What film were Robert Duvall and Sally in……the Gardener …. Hahahaha

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