Principled resignations, ASA withdraw adjudication


I cannot fathom why someone would leak their intentions to quit as chairman of a football club.  Either Walter Smith is sufficiently alarmed by the conduct of his club to resign, or he should be busy working to resolve matters.  Leaking that he intends to resign will surely only add to the nonsense that surrounds the club.

Some will believe that Smith, who accepted the position as chairman of Rangers International when season tickets went on sale in May, can shuffle of the scene now 34,000 tickets have been sold.  Shareholder votes will determine the future of the club, in this instance, the identity of the chairman has little reach beyond parting fans with their cash.

Some investors may consider a more immediate problem is why the club are burning a hugely disproportionate amount of cash to secure promotion from the third tier of Scottish football, and why a management structure is not in place to deploy resources more effectively.

In light of Francisco Sandaza’s off-the-cuff comments to Tommy in Glasgow, and his subsequent dismissal by Rangers International, we urge Mr McCoist to be more cautious than he was after his team’s spirited, but ultimately fruitless, performance in Forfar on Saturday.  It would be unfortunate if McCoist transgressed a condition of employment and suffered accordingly.

Advertising Standards Authority ruling withdrawn

It doesn’t rain but it pours.  The Independent Review Process of the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has looked into the ASA’s recent, and widely reported, ruling on Rangers International’s claim on football titles won by a liquidated club. The Review found that “it was a procedural flaw for the ASA to have relied on an extract only of a report sent to it by the advertiser”.

Further, the review process ruled that “there was also the risk of a substantial flaw of adjudication in the distinction that had been made between ‘club’ and ‘company’, especially in the light of previous ASA decisions about companies that change hands and the circumstances in which the new company could or could not trade off the reputation of the old company”.

The Chairman of the ASA, Lord Smith of Finsbury, as decided to reopen the ASA’s investigation into the case and to withdraw the published adjudication, which favoured the advertiser.  Withdrawing this adjudication does not infer that a different outcome will subsequently be reached.  To use a football analogy, it’s half time and they’re all square.

An interesting, and potentially critical part of the story, is that after the initial ASA decision was issued, the club’s web site noted that their submission to the process included information that a “panel of the London Stock Exchange” supported their claim.

The Stock Exchange subsequently appeared surprised at this assertion, so much so that the club promptly withdrew the claim from the web article.

“You’re history, that’s what you are, na na na na”.
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  1. johann murdoch on

    There seems to be some debate on here about standing areas.I have thought about this for some time and was about to post when the GB debate appreared so it seemed appropriate to comment.



I do have some experience in construction so any opinion is based on my own experience and also further to a chat with a structural engineer friend of mine.[St Mirren fan].If any other posters have some thoughts or knowledge then feel free to comment.



    There would seem to be several issues to be resolved with regards to the provision of a s tanding area[s]







    Where would it be placed?Well you can rule the following areas


    TOP TEIRS-[incline too steep]


    LOWER SOUTH STAND [too close to directors box!-never be allowed there]


    NORTH STAND UPPER AND LOWER [cant see it there -investors area]


    CORNER AREAS-[i believe the steeper inclines in these corners would prevent it being there]


    So that leaves the lower areas behind the goals-with the Jock Stein stand probably being the most favoured area ?







    The alterations would require applications in the form of drawings, structural calculations anarchitectural and operational plans to be made to the following local authority departments.






    POLICE and possibly FIRE BRIGADE


    From submission to approval[hopefully ]the process would take approx 8-12 weeks to be granted.


    Planning may also have a say if the fabric of the stadium is being altered.







    Celtic Park in the main is constructed of a steel frame construction with pre cast concrete panels attached and inserted/fixed to form the seating structure.Walls are generallly blockwork infills.It is a very common stadium building method.


    The steel frame structure will have been designed for an all seated stadium with the pre cast insert panels which form the seats and stairs designed at a particular angle and incline to afford the best viewing angles when seated.If you deviate from this for standing the existing pre cast panels[IMO] would not be fit for this purpose and new cast panels would be required to be fitted at an incline/angle more suited for standing and viewing.I believe the concrete grade would also be required to be upgraded to accomodate significantly more fixings for crash barriers and deflect any resonance occurring which can alter the integrity of the concrete when thousand of fans jump up and down[no lateral movement plaese!!]-Think the ole Apollo upper balcony!!



    The problem might also be that the lower steel frame would require to be adapted therefore to


    accomodate the new standing concrete panels which would be at a different incline to the existing lower steel frame.





    I think timing is everything here.This operation would almost certainly not be able to be carried out during the season due to misplacement of fans and the simple construction logistics of trying to crane out large concrete panels etc-then crane in new sections and fix-damage to pitch area etc.
I would suggest the best time would be off season summer months.



    I would be surprised if the board has not already carried out a feasibility study into the provision of a standing area based on-location -cost and programme.This may be a question to be tabled at the AGM ?



    With regards to the section 111 debate ..for me there is still time to resolve this with ..dialogue between the parties.Are all section 111 Green Brigade?



  2. The Spirit of Arthur Lee on



    FT: UEFA Women’s U17 Championships qualifying round Group Four: Rep of Ireland 12 Bosnia & Herzegovina 1. #COYGIG

  3. In the heat of Lisbon on

    Re Amido..


    Right son go on out and warm up…and warm up….and warm up. Cue glances to the bench as time passes by and we are looking for a winner.




    Last minute Kayal on, Balde back on bench.


    Is it just me or was it a little strange and possibly poor handling of a new player to leave him out there and then not use him.


    His polite round of applause(in perfect isolation) as Stokes scored was cringeworthy.

  4. Cathedral View on

    How do Focus justify their budget and presence with the GB section gone?



    Perhaps it’s not just the Green Brigade who’ve had the rug pulled from under them.




  5. johann murdoch



    That’s a great post Mate, there’s much more to “Bring back The Jungle” than meets the eye, I would love to see us have a standing section like in Germany, their stadiums rock..

  6. hai hail cqn


    have just read the club statement regards section 111 and why they have decided to close


    this section and refund season book money



    broken seats( VANDALISM) 190 is no minor accident


    lateral movement (HSE)repetedly warned




    Fireworks were let off inside Parkhead which forced ref Thorsten Kinofer to demand a safety announcement was put over the tannoy.



    ffs have they moved the huns end crowd in there…….LOL


    if the old jungle was still here


    there is no way any safety certificate would be issued


    as for a new standing area


    what would be the cost and would the police and GCC allow it



    not on the evidence above IMHO



    the older and wiser GB members have continued to fail the younger bhoys


    when would have been the right time for the CLUB to call a halt to the actions of a few


    bringing shame and uefa sanctions on the whole stadium


    maybe a time for leadership change within the green brigade


    the green brigade’s main function was to support the team and project the club in a positive light


    if they decide to give up supporting celtic then they will be missed


    there is no doubt about that


    the 125 display and the 4 horsemen banner being thei rhighlight


    failing to obey the CLUB rules their low point



    no player or fan is bigger than CETIC FOOTBALL CLUB


    such a pity some choose not to listen or leave



    right swing park for mini jen


    another 1 who will not listen


    then kids will be kids


    and naught bhoys will not get to the game








    I doubt the board have covered themselves in glory with this,but with the exception of the all-important balance-sheet,I am not too impressed with them anyway.



    Ratner-esque is how I would term their clear contempt for the GB.

  8. Johan Murdoch


    A motion was tabled at last AGM and response was that Celtic had decided to look into it anyway.


    However I am unsighted on what has happened since.

  9. South Of Tunis on

    A Stor Mo Chroi @ 11 33.



    No , I didn’t watch the linked video . On holiday , far from home , only logged on for the news..



    Being in my 60s, I have a sense of perspective ..

  10. sorry typo:-(((






    bloody ipad/catholic school




  11. Mighty Tim


    Haven’t done much yet tbh.


    Once schools back I’ll up the anti. Maybe go swimming as advised by praceapta.

  12. Some real venom let loose here last night at a group of Celtic fans.


    Pride of place must go to Thothetim though and his discription of the GB as parasites and Fifth Columnists


    (Macjay I think you have found an ally )


    If the definition of parasite covers the GB then by expansion this very site is parasitical and its users themselves parasites.


    Just far too many people on here wearing their stomping boots


    Why do they have Brigade in their name


    Why do they call each other comrade


    Why do they sell merchandise.


    Some of youse just couldnt help yourselves and that was really the saddest part about last night.

  13. Another ditty courtesy of spurs fans from the eighties



    ‘We’ll take more care of you Archibald, Archibald’

  14. johann murdoch on

    Auldheid-Thanks-It would be interesting to know how far they went with any thoughts-My experience is that usually some form of feasibility study would be done based on viability location-programme -cost.




  15. Just catching up






    09:23 on 6 August, 2013







    Scottish Charity Regulators report into the Rangers Charity Foundation and AC Milan match proceeds. Damning.






    Hail Hail to people like @corsica1968 and his mentor





    I may not be the brightest but I can soon tell when a “debate” is going nowhere and in fact turning into a divisive arguement,



    when this happens I smile talk nicley and move on leaving the other person with their own opinion that they are perfectly entitled to, It may sound quite simple but it has made my time a lot easier to get on with :))



  16. Clinko,



    Hi. I was someone who mentioned ‘comrades’ last night. It was just an observation as I can’t say it bothers me. I don’t have stomping boots! It is a shame that there will be no more GB. We will miss much of what they do.

  17. Steinreignedsupreme on

    From compulsive liar Chris Graham – more question marks than The Riddler’s jumper…



    “Are Jim McColl’s group perfect? Perhaps not. I’m sure part of us would love the idea that McColl will come in and throw money at the club to get us back to where we belong but we should remember where that got us before. The club needs a strong board that can run the club properly and take tough decisions if need be. They also need to be people with a track record that we can trust.



    “Frank Blin has an outstanding record in business and huge financial experience. Do we really object to him sitting on the board and examining just what has happened to the IPO money that poured into the club? Jim McColl’s credentials in business in Scotland are perhaps second to none. What is it about Rangers current situation that so concerns these guys? What is it that so concerns the institutional investors who have put their name to requisitioning the EGM? Do we not at least want to know the answer? Do we really believe that Jim McColl is feigning concern as some sort of ruse to get hold the club?



    “The fans are going to be hit with a wall of misinformation in the coming days. The bottom line is do we want answers or do we want the wool pulled over our eyes again? We have two home games coming up and we have already seen fans gathered outside Ibrox on the news of Walter’s departure. Will we find our voice and make our displeasure clear in a positive way? Ahmad’s group will be relying on Charles Green’s ability to win us over again. I suggest we don’t fall for it. Trust Walter and follow his lead.”



    Previously from Mongo:


    “Trust Craig and follow his lead”


    “Trust Charles and follow his lead”

  18. So where is the level playing field?



    It’s not on the football park is it, can’t be as one club is allowed to cheat.



    It’s not in the administration of the game, were one club is allowed to circumvent all the proper administration.



    It’s not in the SFA compliance, as one club and it’s manager is allowed to say what it wants without fear of punishment.



    It’s not in the transfer embargo, where one club is allowed to have a few quick deals before it starts and accommodation made so that another few can be done before the new season starts. Not to mention the trialist saga or does that come under administration, it’s hard to tell as so many things blend into others.



    It’s not in singing as one club is allowed to sing any song it wants, regardless of how vile the song is or whether it is illegal.



    It’s not in the crowd control nor is it in the health and safety of supporters in a stadium as one club can get away with what it wants in this area. Stand en masse in seated areas, bounce up and down in huge numbers, damage seats and toilets, all done as away supporters in a ground that is now the subject of a ban for a group of it’s home support.



    It’s not in Scottish Football and never will be as long as we do nothing about it.





    Right, off to collect a shed and take it up to the allotment, later.

  19. johann murdoch on

    Starry Plough-I would love to see it too-but the stadium would need adapted..I cant see it happening [if at all] till next season and bearing in mind Celtic Park will be used for Commonwealth games opening it doesnt allow much time for this to be achieved.


    Hope you are well-HH

  20. Summa of Sammi….



    12:08 on 6 August, 2013






    Is Bo Derk Not travelling..?








    Naw mate. Him, VVD and Rogic didnae travel… sadly!





    /Bishop B

  21. I'm Neil Lennon (tamrabam) on

    almost 1800 posts, mostly about the GB hmmm



    You know i think its time we had some rare old rebel songs at CP, things are too quiet


    after all we are an irish team playing in scotland, and the board are under the control of campbell ogilvie anyway



    i think that should get us to 1888 post before paul posts a new message :-)

  22. A Stor Mo Chroi on

    South Of Tunis:



    It was a cup game at Ibrox, we were 3 – 0 down to Morton, we had a massive pitch invasion and big fight amongst ourselves which necessitated the intervention of many police. But they never indulged lateral movement.

  23. Clink\o/



    Forget about it, the paranoia some folk have regards the GB is hilarious, hysterical and on occasion, a wee bit manufactured.



    Scottish fitba is an utter shambles of corruption and rule braking but look over there….the Bolsheviks are dancing sideways…..democracy and freedom is at risk

  24. derbyshirebhoy on

    South of Tunis



    Your post re the Liverpool game brought back a memory of one of my earliest matches at Ibrox when I was standing almost at the top of the terracing at the Celtic End. Rangers scored and almost immediately afterwards a hail of bottles and tumblers were thrown from an area just to the right of me. I think I was around 13/14 at the time but remember thinking ” Just who do those fools think they’re hurting?” as fans below received the full impact. Those throwing them clearly had no regard for anyone other than themselves showed no thought and no sense and weren’t people I would want to mix with.



    Whilst delighted by our reputation gained via Seville etc I always feel twitchy when the good natured banter and fun get too close to the edge because I fear it would be too much to expect that people of that mindset aren’t still amongst our ranks and mindful only of themselves.